For those of you out there considering a new Viper, or any other car, I have some advice for you; When I was looking a year a go for a new ACR, dealers that sell the most Vipers were all in sync with each other. They all had the same old bull***t story they were losing money when they were advertising $13,500 off MSRP on every Viper they sold. Well the deals are out there. I bought my brand new Viper ACR that is Black (not green or hardcore or special dealer edition that seemed to have sat on dealer lots the longest) for $91,000. The dealer was Stephens Dodge in Greenwich NY. The car was sitting on the showroom floor. The dealer owner came out and met me. All the paper work was signed and we worked out a delivery that was fair. He told me at that price he STILL made at least a couple grand on the deal. So if I were looking for a new Viper when they came out, I would not discount the out of the way one and only buy from the "volume" dealers. That is unless, you want to pay more than you have to.