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Dan
My First Ticket in Dallas#&*%*#)*)(!@
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Dan
Birvini
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That *****!!! I would give court a shot without a lawyer. You're in Texas where hopefully the judges know that the cops there are basically full of ****. Not a slam, just seems to me you've had problems with your POlice for a long time.
Chuck 98 RT/10
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A warning or a discussion or just a look from him would have been enough, but nooooo, big man gotta give ticket. You should see the emails I got from a cop all the way across country for a general reference using the term pigs. They're outta control.
Birvini
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No **** they are outta control. Sniper runnin around shootin people and this fn cop is issuing a ticket across the street from where someone gets clipped. Keep givin the tickets boyz. That'll clean up society.
Gerald
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U can beat that one in court I'm sure....
You moved forward to get out of the way of the gawker who was going to hit your bumper and since you were on a hill, the tires chirped. Total B.S. .. I had the same exact ticket, but beat mine..
Gerald
You moved forward to get out of the way of the gawker who was going to hit your bumper and since you were on a hill, the tires chirped. Total B.S. .. I had the same exact ticket, but beat mine..
Gerald
CitySnake
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1 Bad:
Here's an interesting thread that may be helpful in deciding how to handle youe BS ticket. http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=250084
Hope it helps...and you can get off with no points!
Here's an interesting thread that may be helpful in deciding how to handle youe BS ticket. http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=250084
Hope it helps...and you can get off with no points!
Kurt 97 GTS
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Joe Bob:
John Giofreddi handles all types of traffic violations.
His no. is 214-739-4515. Office is on Greenville Ave.
-Joe Bob
Dallas, TX
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WOW!! So it finally happened? Sounds like a big misunderstanding
Sounds like this guy may be right up your alley. Just couldn't wait for the drags on Friday?
That really *****!!!
John Giofreddi handles all types of traffic violations.
His no. is 214-739-4515. Office is on Greenville Ave.
-Joe Bob
Dallas, TX
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WOW!! So it finally happened? Sounds like a big misunderstanding
I think you're pretty lucky, if you were in a Kmart parking lot you probably would have spent the night in jail for that one...
Serious note - If your luck is like mine definatly get a lawyer. Ex-Spd is a suspension here in DE so the $$$ would be well spent...
Serious note - If your luck is like mine definatly get a lawyer. Ex-Spd is a suspension here in DE so the $$$ would be well spent...
kverges
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Giofreddi is who you want - I let him handle my very rare, undeserved moving violations.
Kurt 97 GTS
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kverges:
Giofreddi is who you want - I let him handle my very rare, undeserved moving violations.
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See Dan, I told ya Keith would chime in here!! (saving this information for myself....)
Giofreddi is who you want - I let him handle my very rare, undeserved moving violations.
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See Dan, I told ya Keith would chime in here!! (saving this information for myself....)
ewave
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I read the advice link posted by CitySnake about tickets and and couldn't disagree more!
Here's my take on tickets and Speed tax:
Police departments give tickets not because you are breaking the law, they give tickets because it makes them money. The way to fight back is not being grateful for deferred judification and quietly handing over your cash because you feel happy that the ticket didn't go on your record. What you are trying to do is make sure that the police department loses money on the ticket that they are writing you.
It's called negative reinforcement.
The way you do this is to waste as much of the cop's time as possible while he is giving you the ticket.
Number one, take as long as possible to pull over as you can. If you are nabbed for speeding on the freeway and the cop comes up behind you in the fast lane, carefully check your mirrors, put on your indicator and change ONE lane. Turn your indicator back off. Look in amazement in your review mirror, that the cop is STILL behind you with his lights flashing. You're innocent aren't you? Now check your mirror again, put on your indicator. If you are lucky there is traffic in the lane next to you, so you can drive quite a distance before it's safe to change lanes again. Repeat the procedure. I did this to a motorcycle cop on 635 in Garland traveling west. I'm sure you all know about the speed traps there. It was at least 5 miles from where he lasered me before he actually had me pulled over. Remember, when you do pull onto the median, slow down very slowly. There's lots of gravel there, you'd hate to lock up your brakes! I like to see just how far my car will coast.
Now you've got the cop five miles from his speed trap location, after he's done with you he's going to have to drive quite a distance before he can pull someone else over.
This also gives you some time to start thinking about your story.
Next step, the cop comes to your window, and asks you for your license and registration. Pull out your wallet slowly, and start fumbling with it, then ask the cop "Are you going to give me a ticket?"- You haven't given the cop your license yet, when you start talking, stop looking for the license, place the wallet in your lap. You've got the cop on the defensive, and because you have something he needs, you have the power here. And remember this is a game, you are trying to waste his time- The state is going to lose money on this ticket. He was hoping you had read one of those phony articles that says just be helpful and polite. WRONG!
Cops get very defensive when you ask them if they are going to give you a ticket. Also remember once you hand him your license, the games over, he's going to walk back to his car and write you a ticket. If you had any valid excuses you're not going to get a chance to make them. When asked if he's going to give you a ticket, the cop is caught off guard and usually tries to say something lame about how fast you were going, and then he tries to trick you into admitting your guilt. NEVER NEVER NEVER admit any wrong doing. If he asks you how fast you think you were going, tell him, with a very humble and honest smile "Well Officer I was just going with the flow of the traffic." and follow up with your own question "How fast was the flow of the traffic?" Also if he immediately asks you if you know why he pulled you over, a great response is "Well I'm SURE I'm GUILTY of SOMETHING!" (Not spending enough time with your kids, filing your taxes late- We're all guilty of something!) If you were the only one around, this is a pretty funny joke. If the cop laughs, this is a sign that you might just get away this time with a warning. What I've found is that the more time you spend talking and joking with the cop the harder it becomes for him to give you a ticket.
The cop is in a very vulnerable situation before you have given him your license, and before he's had a chance to ask you why you were speeding. So when you ask him "Are you going to give me a ticket" the fact is if he is doing his job correctly, he doesn't know- It depends on the circumstances. If you are a doctor racing to the hospital for an emergency, then he's not going to give you a ticket- but he doesn't want to have to explain this. Draw the conversation out, and when ever you are talking, stop looking for your license. Be prepared: don't keep you license so it is readily accessible in your wallet- Keep it hidden- You can then spend a long time looking for it while you are drawing him into conversation wasting his time.
OK- so now you've driven down the road five miles, you've wasted an other 5 minuets getting him your license. Unfortunately your charm hasn't worked, and he's not just going to give you a warning. He gets your license and off to his car he goes to write you a ticket- He was going to do this anyway. So far we are at ten minutes, and the fun is just beginning.
He's going to come back to your window and he's going to have this nice ticket all filled out, now he's vulnerable again because he needs your signature.
He's going to hand you the ticket and he's going to tell you to sign it. Ask very politely if he minds if you read what you are signing first. Now he can't deny you this. The problem that I have, you know, when I'm really nervous is that my reading skills go to the first grade level, and well there's a LOT of writing on these tickets. Take your time. It's your right to read anything before you sign it. In fact it's the law. There's lots of confusing writing on the back too! You can also tell him that you're confused about what you're signing, and ask him what your signature means... When he explains this, look like you're trying really hard to understand what this means, but your just so confused. You didn't think you were doing anything wrong? Why do you have to sign the ticket? There's a real power play going on here- You have His ticket book, and you have something he needs- Your signature. It's also really good to ask him what happens if you don't sign it. Now you are playing liars poker. With any luck you've maybe wasted 30 minutes by now, and the officer is kind of regretting having pulled you over, maybe wishing he had just given you a verbal warning. With the time wasted you've probably saved at least two other people from getting tickets. Usually when I ask what will happen if I don't sign the ticket they say something about hauling me off to jail and impounding my car. I then really start thinking about whether I'm going to let him do this... I ask when will I see the judge... I always push this little exchange to the limit. Every minute is costing the state at least $1.00. Right when he is at the limit of losing his patients, I give in and sign.
If you played this right you can feel really good about this ticket. The state has probably already lost money considering the cost of the cops time, plus he's been preoccupied with you instead of writing other tickets. And he's going to have to drive back five miles to his speed trap.
I usually then sit in my car for an other ten or more minute, pretending to read the ticket. The cop will usually always sit there behind you dreaming about eating donuts... But importantly you're still wasting his time. They NEVER want to leave first... I don't know what that's about.
So now you've got this ticket, and if you're like me you're feeling really good about the negative feedback you are giving them, but the fun is just beginning. Cops need to learn to just issue warnings. It's your job to train them.
The next thing you do is plead not guilty and request a trial by jury.
If anyone requests I'll posts my trial by jury tips- I've beat them 3 for 3 so far.
It cracks my up when I think about how much money the government is losing when they write me tickets. If everyone was this civil minded, the cop's would stop issuing tickets, and would get to work catching real criminals instead of perpetrators of victimless crimes.
Remember IT'S YOUR CIVIC DUTY TO WASTE THE COPS TIME
Here's my take on tickets and Speed tax:
Police departments give tickets not because you are breaking the law, they give tickets because it makes them money. The way to fight back is not being grateful for deferred judification and quietly handing over your cash because you feel happy that the ticket didn't go on your record. What you are trying to do is make sure that the police department loses money on the ticket that they are writing you.
It's called negative reinforcement.
The way you do this is to waste as much of the cop's time as possible while he is giving you the ticket.
Number one, take as long as possible to pull over as you can. If you are nabbed for speeding on the freeway and the cop comes up behind you in the fast lane, carefully check your mirrors, put on your indicator and change ONE lane. Turn your indicator back off. Look in amazement in your review mirror, that the cop is STILL behind you with his lights flashing. You're innocent aren't you? Now check your mirror again, put on your indicator. If you are lucky there is traffic in the lane next to you, so you can drive quite a distance before it's safe to change lanes again. Repeat the procedure. I did this to a motorcycle cop on 635 in Garland traveling west. I'm sure you all know about the speed traps there. It was at least 5 miles from where he lasered me before he actually had me pulled over. Remember, when you do pull onto the median, slow down very slowly. There's lots of gravel there, you'd hate to lock up your brakes! I like to see just how far my car will coast.
Now you've got the cop five miles from his speed trap location, after he's done with you he's going to have to drive quite a distance before he can pull someone else over.
This also gives you some time to start thinking about your story.
Next step, the cop comes to your window, and asks you for your license and registration. Pull out your wallet slowly, and start fumbling with it, then ask the cop "Are you going to give me a ticket?"- You haven't given the cop your license yet, when you start talking, stop looking for the license, place the wallet in your lap. You've got the cop on the defensive, and because you have something he needs, you have the power here. And remember this is a game, you are trying to waste his time- The state is going to lose money on this ticket. He was hoping you had read one of those phony articles that says just be helpful and polite. WRONG!
Cops get very defensive when you ask them if they are going to give you a ticket. Also remember once you hand him your license, the games over, he's going to walk back to his car and write you a ticket. If you had any valid excuses you're not going to get a chance to make them. When asked if he's going to give you a ticket, the cop is caught off guard and usually tries to say something lame about how fast you were going, and then he tries to trick you into admitting your guilt. NEVER NEVER NEVER admit any wrong doing. If he asks you how fast you think you were going, tell him, with a very humble and honest smile "Well Officer I was just going with the flow of the traffic." and follow up with your own question "How fast was the flow of the traffic?" Also if he immediately asks you if you know why he pulled you over, a great response is "Well I'm SURE I'm GUILTY of SOMETHING!" (Not spending enough time with your kids, filing your taxes late- We're all guilty of something!) If you were the only one around, this is a pretty funny joke. If the cop laughs, this is a sign that you might just get away this time with a warning. What I've found is that the more time you spend talking and joking with the cop the harder it becomes for him to give you a ticket.
The cop is in a very vulnerable situation before you have given him your license, and before he's had a chance to ask you why you were speeding. So when you ask him "Are you going to give me a ticket" the fact is if he is doing his job correctly, he doesn't know- It depends on the circumstances. If you are a doctor racing to the hospital for an emergency, then he's not going to give you a ticket- but he doesn't want to have to explain this. Draw the conversation out, and when ever you are talking, stop looking for your license. Be prepared: don't keep you license so it is readily accessible in your wallet- Keep it hidden- You can then spend a long time looking for it while you are drawing him into conversation wasting his time.
OK- so now you've driven down the road five miles, you've wasted an other 5 minuets getting him your license. Unfortunately your charm hasn't worked, and he's not just going to give you a warning. He gets your license and off to his car he goes to write you a ticket- He was going to do this anyway. So far we are at ten minutes, and the fun is just beginning.
He's going to come back to your window and he's going to have this nice ticket all filled out, now he's vulnerable again because he needs your signature.
He's going to hand you the ticket and he's going to tell you to sign it. Ask very politely if he minds if you read what you are signing first. Now he can't deny you this. The problem that I have, you know, when I'm really nervous is that my reading skills go to the first grade level, and well there's a LOT of writing on these tickets. Take your time. It's your right to read anything before you sign it. In fact it's the law. There's lots of confusing writing on the back too! You can also tell him that you're confused about what you're signing, and ask him what your signature means... When he explains this, look like you're trying really hard to understand what this means, but your just so confused. You didn't think you were doing anything wrong? Why do you have to sign the ticket? There's a real power play going on here- You have His ticket book, and you have something he needs- Your signature. It's also really good to ask him what happens if you don't sign it. Now you are playing liars poker. With any luck you've maybe wasted 30 minutes by now, and the officer is kind of regretting having pulled you over, maybe wishing he had just given you a verbal warning. With the time wasted you've probably saved at least two other people from getting tickets. Usually when I ask what will happen if I don't sign the ticket they say something about hauling me off to jail and impounding my car. I then really start thinking about whether I'm going to let him do this... I ask when will I see the judge... I always push this little exchange to the limit. Every minute is costing the state at least $1.00. Right when he is at the limit of losing his patients, I give in and sign.
If you played this right you can feel really good about this ticket. The state has probably already lost money considering the cost of the cops time, plus he's been preoccupied with you instead of writing other tickets. And he's going to have to drive back five miles to his speed trap.
I usually then sit in my car for an other ten or more minute, pretending to read the ticket. The cop will usually always sit there behind you dreaming about eating donuts... But importantly you're still wasting his time. They NEVER want to leave first... I don't know what that's about.
So now you've got this ticket, and if you're like me you're feeling really good about the negative feedback you are giving them, but the fun is just beginning. Cops need to learn to just issue warnings. It's your job to train them.
The next thing you do is plead not guilty and request a trial by jury.
If anyone requests I'll posts my trial by jury tips- I've beat them 3 for 3 so far.
It cracks my up when I think about how much money the government is losing when they write me tickets. If everyone was this civil minded, the cop's would stop issuing tickets, and would get to work catching real criminals instead of perpetrators of victimless crimes.
Remember IT'S YOUR CIVIC DUTY TO WASTE THE COPS TIME
JRB
Viper Owner
For what its worth - last ticket I got here in Texas, the Judge gave me deferred adjudication (spelling?)and I paid a fine. If I did not get another ticket in HIS town in the next 90 days, it did not go on my record. This was cheaper than an attorney and got it over with pretty quick.
Jim
Jim
Kurt 97 GTS
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Paul, get a life
Missed ya at the meeting Saturday!!
Missed ya at the meeting Saturday!!
bitya
Enthusiast
Paul, I'm on the same page as you, will be going to court on a speeding ticket. Please e-mail with some sugestions thanks. [email protected]
TOOOFST
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I've had "improper start" several times,once I went back and snapped a photo of the street showing no road damage.The Judge made me pay a fine but no moving violation.
1TONY1
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Paul, I thought the web site had some really good tips......but I like your method much better
dmora
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ewave:
I read the advice link posted by CitySnake about tickets and and couldn't disagree more!
Here's my take on tickets and Speed tax:
.......lots of stuff.......
Remember IT'S YOUR CIVIC DUTY TO WASTE THE COPS TIME
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However, this could have been brought to my attention YESTERDAY! <Adam *******-The Wedding Singer>
I got nailed by a pig the other night, and through my drivng strategy, it took him over a mile and on an entirely seperate highway before he even saw me and my car after popping me. This was in a wooded and twisty area. Cop was upset that his car couldnt handle or was fast enough to actually flash his lights at me at the near the spot he nailed me. I think ive got a good case for it.
And no i wasnt evading him, i just never saw where he was after my Valentine went off, nor did he flash any lights.
I read the advice link posted by CitySnake about tickets and and couldn't disagree more!
Here's my take on tickets and Speed tax:
.......lots of stuff.......
Remember IT'S YOUR CIVIC DUTY TO WASTE THE COPS TIME
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However, this could have been brought to my attention YESTERDAY! <Adam *******-The Wedding Singer>
I got nailed by a pig the other night, and through my drivng strategy, it took him over a mile and on an entirely seperate highway before he even saw me and my car after popping me. This was in a wooded and twisty area. Cop was upset that his car couldnt handle or was fast enough to actually flash his lights at me at the near the spot he nailed me. I think ive got a good case for it.
And no i wasnt evading him, i just never saw where he was after my Valentine went off, nor did he flash any lights.
Hisser
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Paul is correct by saying requesting a trial by jury.As far as DEFERED...
The court may grant deferred disposition and defer proceedings in a case without entering an adjudication of guilt I will tell you much more than than though. If you talk to the Prosecutor FIRST...this is before you see the judge, his job is to have things settled before it goes anywhere and the judge doesn't have to decide anything. You must know what you are talking about before you talk to him and if he knows you know your sh$t he will work with you. Here is what you need to know. You have the right to be heard in your county court. Yes, you have to be tried in the municipal court first but you can plead nolo contender,no contest, which is pleading guilty, you then as for a jury trial,then if found guilty you file what is called an APPEAL BOND. An appeal bond sends the trial to the county court in which you reside in, and believe me the county court does not want some laim ticket on the docket where murderers, rapists, etc. have their trials. Not just that, the county courts don't like dealing with municipal court crap. Then the county court has to bring in a panel of jurors and you only pay the court cost and 6 dollars again for the jurors. So you pay the court cost...imagine what mess that causes when the county Judge gets paid much much more. Well by then, they are way over in dept on this one and its NEVER worth it for them. And the cop has to show up AGAIN in the county court and NOW the municipal court has had to pay more out on this ticket than they are going to make. And, the municipal courts have to pay to have it transferred to the county. In small towns then seem the judges think they can make up the rules as they go but not true. The judge can try and refuse to accept your appeal bond but he can be MADE to accept it. Thats another issue...
In MOST cases if the cop does not show up naturally its dismissed. Tell the prosecutor that if your found guilty you are going to kick it upstairs to the county court believe me he will try to make that not happen and bargian with you in most cases. Yes, you have to pay for court cost and the jury in each case but paying the jury is 6 dollars each a day. If you ask them what the court cost is for a jury trial they must tell you, but sometimes don't want to. There is much more to it than that, but if you talk the talk and tell the procecutor you know your crap believe me they HATE to see a case on an appeal bond to the county court. Wondering how I know this stuff, I got tons of tickets when I was younger, have lawyer friends including a chief prosecutor that was a friend of mine years ago before he died in the municipal court system. FORGET the small time ticket writer and learn court systems and it becomes a joke.
Here is a link for one of the municipal courts website and if you go to the bottom it shows you how some of them work in general. I could go on and on and on about this crap...
http://www.ci.odessa.tx.us/departments/court/CourtPages/fine_ticket_procedure.htm
Excuse the spelling...
The court may grant deferred disposition and defer proceedings in a case without entering an adjudication of guilt I will tell you much more than than though. If you talk to the Prosecutor FIRST...this is before you see the judge, his job is to have things settled before it goes anywhere and the judge doesn't have to decide anything. You must know what you are talking about before you talk to him and if he knows you know your sh$t he will work with you. Here is what you need to know. You have the right to be heard in your county court. Yes, you have to be tried in the municipal court first but you can plead nolo contender,no contest, which is pleading guilty, you then as for a jury trial,then if found guilty you file what is called an APPEAL BOND. An appeal bond sends the trial to the county court in which you reside in, and believe me the county court does not want some laim ticket on the docket where murderers, rapists, etc. have their trials. Not just that, the county courts don't like dealing with municipal court crap. Then the county court has to bring in a panel of jurors and you only pay the court cost and 6 dollars again for the jurors. So you pay the court cost...imagine what mess that causes when the county Judge gets paid much much more. Well by then, they are way over in dept on this one and its NEVER worth it for them. And the cop has to show up AGAIN in the county court and NOW the municipal court has had to pay more out on this ticket than they are going to make. And, the municipal courts have to pay to have it transferred to the county. In small towns then seem the judges think they can make up the rules as they go but not true. The judge can try and refuse to accept your appeal bond but he can be MADE to accept it. Thats another issue...
In MOST cases if the cop does not show up naturally its dismissed. Tell the prosecutor that if your found guilty you are going to kick it upstairs to the county court believe me he will try to make that not happen and bargian with you in most cases. Yes, you have to pay for court cost and the jury in each case but paying the jury is 6 dollars each a day. If you ask them what the court cost is for a jury trial they must tell you, but sometimes don't want to. There is much more to it than that, but if you talk the talk and tell the procecutor you know your crap believe me they HATE to see a case on an appeal bond to the county court. Wondering how I know this stuff, I got tons of tickets when I was younger, have lawyer friends including a chief prosecutor that was a friend of mine years ago before he died in the municipal court system. FORGET the small time ticket writer and learn court systems and it becomes a joke.
Here is a link for one of the municipal courts website and if you go to the bottom it shows you how some of them work in general. I could go on and on and on about this crap...
http://www.ci.odessa.tx.us/departments/court/CourtPages/fine_ticket_procedure.htm
Excuse the spelling...
paul, nice post made me chuckle a few times. everyone on this board probably chirps or spins the wheels on our vipers probably a few times a month or weekly. not that we are showing off but when you have that much torque hard to keep it to the ground without slippin sometimes. especially on a hill or incline. totally different if you spin and do 0-60 in 4 seconds.
BUD
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Give em my email addy Chuck. I will take the "heat" off you from those "pigs" <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck 98 RT/10:
A warning or a discussion or just a look from him would have been enough, but nooooo, big man gotta give ticket. You should see the emails I got from a cop all the way across country for a general reference using the term pigs. They're outta control.
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A warning or a discussion or just a look from him would have been enough, but nooooo, big man gotta give ticket. You should see the emails I got from a cop all the way across country for a general reference using the term pigs. They're outta control.
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George Murray
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A few years ago I got popped for some wheel spin. I was driving my '71 hemicuda (**** I miss that car) and was coming to a stop at a red light. The light turned green before I was completely stopped (I usually manually shifted the 727). I downshifted to first and gave it some gas. Massive torque, not very large tires (275-60/15 rears), and 3.23 gear, and the tires broke loose...maybe for 1/2 second. Two miles down the road (six lane city highway, 45 MPH limit...I may have gotten up to 47 or so...), a cop pulled me over. I was in the left lane. He yelled over his speaker to stay in the left lane and stop. I couldn't hear him that well (flowmasters). I started to go into the middle lane. He turned on his siren. All of a sudden, two cop cars coming the other direction make U-turns in front of me as if to block me. I was doing maybe 10 MPH at this point. I just stopped in the middle lane.
Cop behind is yelling at me over PA to pull over. I started to move towards the right, and one of the cops in front turns sideways and blocks ALL the lanes. Poor comms between these Virginia Beach knuckleheads.
Finally, I just pulled left to center median and parked next to it. I put my hands on the wheel, but left engine running because I was pissed and wanted to make them work. About 10 PM on a Saturday night. Cop makes it to window, sees me and wife, both in mid 30s, and seems confused. he asks if I have been drinking. I said "Yes...and I have to take a whizz. Too much iced tea at dinner." He asks again if I've been drinking ALCOHOL and I said no.
He disappears for at least five minutes and comes back with a RECKLESS DRIVING summons. He told me he figured a kid was driving the car since it was being driven so "irresponsibly." I told him the car cost more than he made annually, and that no kid would have such a car.
Well there's more, but that part takes too long...
I went to court, and the judge asked the cop if he was "OK" if he reduced the charge to "improper driving." The cop said it was OK with him, and the judge started to say that would be the conviction. "Oh, your honor...you didn't ask me if I was OK with it." He then told me he'd be glad to convict me of reckless driving if I liked that better. I told him I'd appeal ANY conviction.
OK, to sum it up: I was convicted of improper driving, appealed it, and lost on appeal.
Average cop IQ in America is 95 - 100 (really). Average traffic court judge IQ is like 25, I would guess.
Yeah...like Paul says: waste their time. Make them work hard for your signature. I wish I had driven another couple of miles acting confused.
Cop behind is yelling at me over PA to pull over. I started to move towards the right, and one of the cops in front turns sideways and blocks ALL the lanes. Poor comms between these Virginia Beach knuckleheads.
Finally, I just pulled left to center median and parked next to it. I put my hands on the wheel, but left engine running because I was pissed and wanted to make them work. About 10 PM on a Saturday night. Cop makes it to window, sees me and wife, both in mid 30s, and seems confused. he asks if I have been drinking. I said "Yes...and I have to take a whizz. Too much iced tea at dinner." He asks again if I've been drinking ALCOHOL and I said no.
He disappears for at least five minutes and comes back with a RECKLESS DRIVING summons. He told me he figured a kid was driving the car since it was being driven so "irresponsibly." I told him the car cost more than he made annually, and that no kid would have such a car.
Well there's more, but that part takes too long...
I went to court, and the judge asked the cop if he was "OK" if he reduced the charge to "improper driving." The cop said it was OK with him, and the judge started to say that would be the conviction. "Oh, your honor...you didn't ask me if I was OK with it." He then told me he'd be glad to convict me of reckless driving if I liked that better. I told him I'd appeal ANY conviction.
OK, to sum it up: I was convicted of improper driving, appealed it, and lost on appeal.
Average cop IQ in America is 95 - 100 (really). Average traffic court judge IQ is like 25, I would guess.
Yeah...like Paul says: waste their time. Make them work hard for your signature. I wish I had driven another couple of miles acting confused.
ewave
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lilviv:
As for ewave's advice . . . I disagree strongly. I'm 22 yrs. old and have over 125 tickets and well over 400 pullovers . . . In my experience, it's best to have a valid medical excuse, but that's not often the case.
NEVER be rude to the cop and make the whole process easy for him. ewave, you might change your philosophy sometime when the cop's in a bad mood for having followed you so far . . . and then just makes something up, rips your car apart in a search and leaves you to pick it up. Or, he throws you on the ground and steps on the back of your neck for being an *** . In my experience, it's worth it to not have them be upset. Take care of whatever in court later on.
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You've got to be kidding?
Last I checked, this IS the USA, and it is illegal for a cop to step on the back of your neck. Being cooperative when being given a stupid ticket and paying the fine only encourages cops to continue this activity. I can't imagine living in a country where I am afraid that the police would beat me up for being passively uncooperative.
You are 22, have been pulled over 400 times and have 125 tickets??? Unless you are referring to each time you have pulled over into a parking spot and the number of movie tickets you have purchased, I found this claim rather incredible.
As for ewave's advice . . . I disagree strongly. I'm 22 yrs. old and have over 125 tickets and well over 400 pullovers . . . In my experience, it's best to have a valid medical excuse, but that's not often the case.
NEVER be rude to the cop and make the whole process easy for him. ewave, you might change your philosophy sometime when the cop's in a bad mood for having followed you so far . . . and then just makes something up, rips your car apart in a search and leaves you to pick it up. Or, he throws you on the ground and steps on the back of your neck for being an *** . In my experience, it's worth it to not have them be upset. Take care of whatever in court later on.
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You've got to be kidding?
Last I checked, this IS the USA, and it is illegal for a cop to step on the back of your neck. Being cooperative when being given a stupid ticket and paying the fine only encourages cops to continue this activity. I can't imagine living in a country where I am afraid that the police would beat me up for being passively uncooperative.
You are 22, have been pulled over 400 times and have 125 tickets??? Unless you are referring to each time you have pulled over into a parking spot and the number of movie tickets you have purchased, I found this claim rather incredible.
Kurt 97 GTS
Enthusiast
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ewave:
You've got to be kidding?
Last I checked, this IS the USA, and it is illegal for a cop to step on the back of your neck. Being cooperative when being given a stupid ticket and paying the fine only encourages cops to continue this activity. I can't imagine living in a country where I am afraid that the police would beat me up for being passively uncooperative.
You are 22, have been pulled over 400 times and have 125 tickets??? Unless you are referring to each time you have pulled over into a parking spot and the number of movie tickets you have purchased, I found this claim rather incredible.
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Gotta agree with ya Paul!!!
You've got to be kidding?
Last I checked, this IS the USA, and it is illegal for a cop to step on the back of your neck. Being cooperative when being given a stupid ticket and paying the fine only encourages cops to continue this activity. I can't imagine living in a country where I am afraid that the police would beat me up for being passively uncooperative.
You are 22, have been pulled over 400 times and have 125 tickets??? Unless you are referring to each time you have pulled over into a parking spot and the number of movie tickets you have purchased, I found this claim rather incredible.
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Fast Viper Dan
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Throw some dirt on the ground and take a picture at an angle to enhance the "hill". Take a whole bunch of pictures, You know,
8x10 colored glosses with a paragraph on the back of each one.
Bring in a professional witness. A local tire sales guy with tire traction rating charts and coefficient of drag rating graphs and charts.
The judge will dismiss the case and tell you to get the he!! out
of the court room.
If you can't convice them confuss them.
Good Luck!
Dan
8x10 colored glosses with a paragraph on the back of each one.
Bring in a professional witness. A local tire sales guy with tire traction rating charts and coefficient of drag rating graphs and charts.
The judge will dismiss the case and tell you to get the he!! out
of the court room.
If you can't convice them confuss them.
Good Luck!
Dan
