Roe Racing Supercharger Intercooler Pic....

Sean Roe · Mar 7, 2004

Hi Everyone,

Here's a picture of our intercooler manifold base for the current Supercharger system. There was a near 100 degree F drop in the outlet temperature of the Supercharger when running 8 psi of boost. This allowed us to add timing advance that netted an additional 30 RWHP. Further testing is underway at higher boost levels. Not pictured is the ducting under the blower top plate which directs air through the center of the cooler. The air exits the blower, goes through the cooler to a chamber below, then comes back through the cooler and into the intake ports. This gives us cooling at all times, during bypass and boost.

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Regards,
Sean

JDR · Mar 7, 2004

Sean,
I was wondering how you were going to get the airflow through an intercooler without raising the unit...

THAT IS COOL AND WELL THOUGHT OUT!

Have you applied for a patent? (or am I just naive, and it's not that innovative?)

VENM8R · Mar 7, 2004

Sean, can you give an approximate date this will be offered in/with your supercharger kit?

thanks,
GPII

2MANYTOYS · Mar 7, 2004

Sean
Any estimate as to when it might be available???

Sean Roe · Mar 7, 2004

As long as we find a good supplier for the cooler (looking overseas), we should be able to have them in time for summer (but please don't hold me to that, time flies by anymore and it might be summer before I know it).

JDR,
Thanks for the compliment. I actually came up with that at the kitchen table on night just drawing out different ideas and figuring out the air paths. The engineers from Autorotor liked it too. I filed a patent application on the basic manifold design about a year and a half ago.

Regards,
Sean

2MANYTOYS · Mar 7, 2004

Thanks Sean keep us posted.

Gerald · Mar 7, 2004

Keep us employed! How about a U.S. supplier!

Cudaman · Mar 7, 2004

Looks like we will be <font color="blue"> COOL </font> even in the summer!

What are you using as the the cooling agent? Water?

Looking forward to running more timing all year long....

Nice work Sean :2tu:

Cudaman

Viper23 · Mar 8, 2004

Hey Sean:
Will we be able to install this one the new Gen 1 kits too? Just curious.
You da man Sean. :2tu:

Nadine UK GTS · Mar 8, 2004

Thanks for the pic and info Sean, very nice, (the things some people do on their kitchen table at night!) excellent.

proracer1 · Mar 12, 2004

Sean When can I get a cooler......Remember you promised me the first one when I was in your New Shop..........

Simms · Mar 12, 2004

If know yet, how much will the intercooler add to the cost of the current GEN II kit?

Viper23 · Mar 12, 2004

Sean, I got some extra money since your Gen 1 kit was so cheap (too bad, can't change the price now) that I can get the intercooler should it be available.

SUN RA KAT · Mar 12, 2004

Once again, Sean will probably be getting any extra money I have...

My Viper is in love with Sean!

Viper Specialty · Mar 12, 2004

SEAN- you have no idea how identical that is to what I was planning to do... I even had it sketched out! was going to have a friend of mine who specializes in HVAC and has friends who can make some cool heat exchangers work on it with me, but it was held off until sumer when we would have had more time.

Well, you beat me to the punch! good luck!

(Got another Idea cookin though... hehe)

proracer1 · Mar 12, 2004

what if we ran freon thru the cooler. It would work great. would have to figure out how to run it w out the compressor running though. Wouldn't want to have the a/c on all the time

MbnViper · Mar 12, 2004

OMG

how i missed this post :shocked:

Awesome or shall i say COOOOOL :laugh:

ouch its damn freezing in there

Sean great achievement!

SUN RA KAT

seems yellow vipers are :laugh:

but guess what now red ones too are in love with Sean

JimT 99RT · Sep 15, 2004

Sean,

What's the status on the intercooler?

InjectTheVenom · Sep 15, 2004

Pic doesn't work for me

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VIPER D · Sep 15, 2004

CAN'T SEE THE PIC?

tommygun · Sep 15, 2004

CAN'T SEE THE PIC?

DITTO!!!!!!!

VIPR GTS · Sep 15, 2004

Look for a new design soon.

viperama · Sep 15, 2004

Sean, please post the Picture again... maybe i know a good Supplier for you, which allready fabricated Hi-Quality alloy IC for us.

FLX109 · Sep 15, 2004

where is the picture??

FLX109

STUGOTS · Sep 15, 2004

how much are you Charging for the red X? lol

Sean Roe · Sep 15, 2004

Hi Guys,
The picture was hosted on our old website server and is no longer available.
Even though we built this some time ago, I'm just having trouble getting over the concern of putting a water cooler inside the intake. It's not that the design is bad, it's just that we'd have to rely on an outside manufacturer to produce the cooler portion of the product. If the cooler failed for any reason (welder getting interrupted, in a hurry, etc) and started to leak, that coolant will go in the motor. It's just hard to get over the possible results of that. I know other manufacturers are doing it (Magnuson), but I think an LS1 V8 is cheaper to repair than a Viper V10. If I can go to an extruded design, like a Laminova brand cooler, well ok. But, we don't have room for the amount of coils a Laminova would take.
Therefore, I've started testing a different approach and told a few people about it VOI8. the results so far have been positive. However, more testing will be necessary. The goal is to drop the air charge temperature an adequate amount that would allow us to retain more timing advance / run higher boost. This simple approach may just allow us to do that. I promise to tell you more when I've got some concrete results (like running enough boost to force my car to ping, then activating the test system). It's not water or methanol injection if you were wondering.

Regards,
Sean

JimT 99RT · Sep 15, 2004

Thanks for the update. From my point of view I worry about the heat of the air charge, and overall additional protection for the engine in the long run, and not so much about squeezing out a few extra ponies.

Miles B · Sep 15, 2004

Sean,
the picture is still there, just needs a simple change to the URL... I can post it unless you'd prefer I didn't?

IEATVETS · Sep 15, 2004

Why is it whenever Sean posts something, I start to drool all over myself?

Sean Roe · Sep 16, 2004

"Thanks for the update. From my point of view I worry about the heat of the air charge, and overall additional protection for the engine in the long run, and not so much about squeezing out a few extra ponies."

Realistically, the two go hand in hand (in my mind). We have the same goal

Fortunately, with the twin screw blower, outlet temperatures are lower and you can run without a charge cooler at lower boost levels (5-8 psi). None the less, cooler is better.

When consulting with Autorotor a few years ago, their data showed we could go up to 8 psi without a cooler. They do the testing on a blower dyno, where the blower is driven by an electric motor (I posted the picture about 2 years ago from when I was at the plant in Sweden). I have the temperature graph from the dyno logging showing the temperature change with RPM and boost somewhere.

"Sean,
the picture is still there, just needs a simple change to the URL... I can post it unless you'd prefer I didn't?"

You can post it. We still have the functioning prototype on the shelf, but are hopeful we can get benefits from a much simpler system.

Regards,
Sean

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