Shifting from 4th to 5th

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I've had the car for 3 months now, and am still kinda terrified about accidently throwing it into reverse, so I really "baby" it into 5th. Actually, I hardly use 5th much at all, but that's a different story.

I guess my question is, how can one safely powershift from 4th to 5th without worrying? I know my car has reverse lockout, but even still, I am kinda nervous. I seem to have finally perfected the 3-4 upshift (instead of UP shifting from third to SECOND gear), and now I want to get the 4-r perfect also.

Any tips? I want to get this down pretty good before I start road racing it. Thanks!
 

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I don't think you'll have to worry about 5'th gear when road racing, unless there is a HUGE straight-away.

Secondly, I think it is IMPOSSIBLE to shift into reverse from fourth while moving (ie - lockout as stated).
 

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what is it with people that cant drive a stick that buy vipers..?

LEARN HOW TO DRIVE !
 

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to go from 4 to R would be difficult to do accidentally, its a drastic push over to the right & up to go to R

turn your palm facing towards your stereo and go diagonally up to the right NOT directly right & then up

a few practice runs thru the Walmart parking lot & you'll be ready to take some Hondas :p
 

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to go from 4 to R would be difficult to do accidentally, its a drastic push over to the right & up to go to R

turn your palm facing towards your stereo and go diagonally up to the right NOT directly right & then up

a few practice runs thru the Walmart parking lot & you'll be ready to take some Hondas :p

Holy crap! How big are the Walmart parking lots where you live that you can shift into 5th in the Viper?!!

Mark
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When it's intentional at a standstill, it often takes me 2 poundings to get the car into reverse. It would be impossible to do it at speed!

Just shift!
 

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to go from 4 to R would be difficult to do accidentally, its a drastic push over to the right & up to go to R

turn your palm facing towards your stereo and go diagonally up to the right NOT directly right & then up

a few practice runs thru the Walmart parking lot & you'll be ready to take some Hondas :p

Holy crap! How big are the Walmart parking lots where you live that you can shift into 5th in the Viper?!!

Mark
:)


lol... ok, so maybe i exaggerated a bit :D
 
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You're kidding right? :rolleyes: :usa:

No, which was why I was asking. I thought I was being polite in my question, and it seems that I was overly optimistic about getting a polite response.

As far as me "not knowing how to drive," I have been driving for over 12 years now, and I guess I have about a 1/2 million miles of driving experience.

I was just asking for tips to shift quicker. I know how to shift from 4th to 5th, but I would like to do it quicker (and safer). That's all. Thankfully some people here graciously answered my question in a kind and sensible manner, which I appreciate.
 

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Yes, people can be so rude on this site. I recommend you post the same question at w w w . v i p e r a l l e y . c o m. (Eliminate the spaces). Those guys are very good with questions of this nature, and are always willing to give a newbie a warm reception....
 

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Yes, people can be so rude on this site. I recommend you post the same question at w w w . v i p e r a l l e y . c o m. (Eliminate the spaces). Those guys are very good with questions of this nature, and are always willing to give a newbie a warm reception....


we give out free hats too.
 

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I posted a while ago reiterating that earlier posts said they were having good luck with Hurst shifters and my reply is now missing. Who did I pi-s off ?
 

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I've had the car for 3 months now, and am still kinda terrified about accidently throwing it into reverse, so I really "baby" it into 5th. Actually, I hardly use 5th much at all, but that's a different story.

I guess my question is, how can one safely powershift from 4th to 5th without worrying? I know my car has reverse lockout, but even still, I am kinda nervous. I seem to have finally perfected the 3-4 upshift (instead of UP shifting from third to SECOND gear), and now I want to get the 4-r perfect also.

Any tips? I want to get this down pretty good before I start road racing it. Thanks!

Looks like you and I are the whipping boys of stickshift driving today. :)

There is no way you can shift 4th to reverse, it is locked out when you're moving forward.
 

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While yes it is locked out when ignition is off or there is forward motion, you can overpower the lock out if your using a little excessive force.

For example, while riding shotgun in a new Viper owner's car, I was asked where 5th was. From the passenger seat I shifted into what I thought was 5th for him, being extra careful / forceful in pulling the shifter towards me to avoid 3rd thinking the lock out would protect me. Wrong... Tapped into reverse. No real damage, but certainly not a pleasant sound, especially to him.

So, while I can't imagine the need to powershift into 5th, and while it would take an unusually odd shift style to do it, you can hit reverse while driving regardless of the lockout. Don't believe me? Try it with the ignition off.
 

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I still think this has to be a joke. Anaconda has hardly found the need to use 5th gear but wants to know how to powershift into it. How fast are you going near redline in 4th? 150ish?
 
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It is not a joke. I found a nice road near here where I hit about 180 the other day.

I have better things to do to start a "joke" post on here. I was just trying to improve my driving, not learn how to drive from scratch.

I swear, some of you people need to take your wise ass coments back to the Alley and stay there.

Was I ever rude in this thread? No.

For the people who actually have helped, I appreciate it.
 

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Hello Everyone

I have found the reverse at least 2 times when shifting hard from 4th to 5th. And not nice sound from gearbox when I found reverse gear. I also think that was impossible, but on my car it is possible. Very BAD.

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It is not a joke. I found a nice road near here where I hit about 180 the other day.
At 180 on the street you shouldn't take your hand(s) off the wheel as your already in 5th and won't need to shift anymore.
 

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It is not a joke. I found a nice road near here where I hit about 180 the other day.
At 180 on the street you shouldn't take your hand(s) off the wheel as your already in 5th and won't need to shift anymore.

Maybe, but I worry about possibly getting into a smoke cloud and having flashbacks about my crash at Daytona. Under those circumstances, I might subconsciously shift from 5th to 2nd and blow the motor instead of hitting 6th.

Does my Viper have that little switch that tells me the last RPM reading?
 

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Can someone tell me why my viper doesn't drive it's self? Turning wheels and pushing pedals just isn't me.
 

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I am working on a steering control kit that combined with traction/cruise control and an automatic should meet your needs nicely. Glad we got this post back on a serious note. :mad: :usa:
 

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Hello Everyone

I have found the reverse at least 2 times when shifting hard from 4th to 5th. And not nice sound from gearbox when I found reverse gear. I also think that was impossible, but on my car it is possible. Very BAD.

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Tomas
That means your reverse lockout solenoid has gone bad. You should check it out. Reverse lockout was introduced in mid-93.
 

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It is not a joke. I found a nice road near here where I hit about 180 the other day.

Dude if you should never drive 180 if you're having 4 to 5 issues!
Shifting needs to be a natural action, not something you have to focus on!
 
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:confused: I am glad that anyone worried about power shifting into 5th lives @ 1200 miles from me! :rolleyes:

haha my dad lives in Wilmington, and I used to live in Newark.
 

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Here I go and risk embarrassing myself by posting my experience with reverse lockout. Normally I wouldn't expose myself to scrutiny, only my experience might help someone else avoid an accident, so I'll risk the flaming from the mob.

On my "one and only" 170mph run, as I was accelerating, I was shifting from 4 to 5, and the tranny let me go towards reverse, despite the reverse lock-out. Keep in mind that I don't jam the gears quickly at speed, like someone might do in a quarter mile drag. Thats a whole nuther story, but not how you should shift at high speeds. This was a high speed run, done very carefully.

(Sidenote) Viper Days, and many other road racing schools, teach you to pretend the stick is a piece of glass, and don't ever push it hard, or you will bend the forks, and possibly chip gear teeth. And if you let out the clutch in the wrong gear, you may end up going round and round. So you approach the shift cautiously, and only let out the clutch fully if you are sure you are in the right gear. Thats not so important when you are motoring around town, you can always push the clutch back in, but its especially important when you are going real fast. So this is what I was doing, just shifting real careful, almost "leisurely", if you could call it that, without much force at all.(end sidenote)

As I pushed the stick forward, towards 5th gear, I could hear/feel gears grinding very lightly. I thought it was pretty strange, because the only thing forward of 4th, and with a very light tension rightward, is 5th! I pulled the shifter back towards neutral right away, and the thought crossed my mind at that moment the reverse lockout might not be restricting the shift into reverse. I tried it again making a very determined effort to go straight forward into 5th with negligible rightward tension, and it went into 5th on the second try. The GTS was going pretty fast, but I wasn't banging on the shifter like an excited monkey. More like an excited hyenna. But I digress....

Whats the point of all this? Only to say that at speed, the reverse lockout may not have the same restrictive ability as it does at lower speeds, or may be overpowered by the nut behind the wheel. This could be because of tranny fluid affecting the operation of internal components, as it is spun off rotating parts and gererating more hydraulic forces than usual, or maybe from the rpms on the gear shaft, also exerting some unusual force on the gear sets or reverse lockout.

I really don't know, as I have never taken a Tremec T56 apart, and am not 100% sure about its internal design. Anybody here got a real good understanding of the T56?

One thing I do know is, when you are going real fast, (or at any time for that matter) don't let your life depend on the reverse lockout working correctly. Some of them may not function perfectly, or may be overpowered unintentionally. I have several 160mph runs, and have never had a problem with reverse lockout, or finding 5th, on any of those runs.

None of these high speed runs were done anywhere near public traffic. And I told all the rabbits in advance to stay in their holes while I was passing through. :)
 

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The T56 is very reliable so all these reverse lockout concerns seem out of place.

As I pushed the stick forward, towards 5th gear, I could hear/feel gears grinding very lightly.
Why do you associate this grinding sound with reverse? It could be the gears didn't mesh properly, especially with your excited hyena approach.
 

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