What are the chances I can get in the low 10's in Quarter Mile ?

What are the chances I can get in the low 10\'s in Quarter Mile ?

Soon SVS will be completing all the mods to my 2006 First Edition SRT Coupe and I will be taking it to the strip to see what she will do. I am wondering what my chances are of running in the low 10's as my goal is to take on a budy at the strip with a bone stock Hyabusa that is running high 10's.

We have raced many times last summer with my other Viper a 1999 ACR and believe it or not we were fairly well matched on the expressway. For some reason the ACR has always been fast on the top end and I have raced several cycles on the expressway in the past with the ACR always pulling slowly but surely away as I dont let up a bit like most for even a second. Sometimes it's even funny seeing the bikes in the rearview once they get into what I would guess is around a 150 mph trying to handle the turns and rough roads. I for one have never bought a bike as I would surely not be here otherwise. Up until running with my buddy and his Busa these were all 600's with two of them being the R1's. Everytime I race these guys and beat them they would wave me down and say only the Viper can do that as no other cars have ever done that. I have raced several 600's from maybe 20 - 30 mph as well and we were neck and neck. I never have had my ass waxed but I am also sure these were all stock bikes and probably just your average riders as well.

Just two nights ago I was flying home down 90 heading to Saint Charles where I live and probably crusing around 120 when I saw a guy tucked way in on a bike weaving in and out down the expressway ahead as I was creeping up towards him so I knew he was moving. The guy almost turned right into me as I was coming up on him in the far left lane because he must have thought he was flying so fast there could not possibly be anyone that would pass him and just as he was about to change lanes WHOOSH there I went and I startled him as he jumped back in the middle lane.

I knew he would be hitting it after me so I gave him no chance and as soon as I passed him dropped her down a gear and stomped it to the floor. He tried to keep up but I continued to slowly pull away all the way to somewhere close to 180 mph. I saw him far in my rear view turn off on a ramp and then I began to slow as I was approaching a pack of cars very fast! Wow the car was really dodging around and a bit of a handful when ******* the brakes from that speed.

You have to love it when these cars are so fast you can actually take on and target bikes. I love a challenge and this is what drives me. I always laugh when the big loud Harley's start trying to take off and never have a chance as I always blow them away and love the look on thier faces.

Anyway, with my fairly stock ACR I ran a best of 11.9 to give you a sense of my apx drag racing skills - even though I probably could have eeked a little better time if I was not powershifting so hard chirping the tires with every shift. The only other Viper there was running Nitrous and was only running low 11's and maybe a high 10 or two.

I am a fairly experienced and knowledgable driver and will have a big added benefit of having the Racelogic traction control and launch control system on the new beast. I am a bit of a computer **** so I will eventually have this system totally dialed in you can count on that. I have not yet decided on tires even though I have a set of DR's I bought and could use. I know traction will be the biggest battle. With the right suspension mods, TC, LC and DR's do you think with a 3.55 Quaife, 1000HP Half Shafts, Paxton Novi Intercooled supercharger, B&B Headers, Corsa Exhuast, SVS short throw shifter, high Octane Fuel, New rotors, Overall taking about 150lbs off car (no xpipe, rotors, headers, exhaust,lighter wheels) and Free flow intake that I will be there ???

If not where will I be and what else will it take to get me there (no jokes please as I am serious in trying to reach this goal) ?

Any input would be much appreciated or anyone with a similar setup please pass your numbers on to me to help give me some insight.

Much Appreciated and I will post pics and timeslips as soon as I can.

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The fastest I've been on a bike is 12.90.I have a '04 Yamaha Warrior!!But I have also ridden a '05 R1 at about 160MPH!!Very fast!!!All I can tell you is that on a bike at 140 MPH feels like 180 in the viper,,,THAT'S WITH THE TOP DOWN!!!!Any way I told my budy with a SRT 10 you have crouch rocket on 4 wheels!!!!!!Hope this helps!!!

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No offense but you aren't beating R1's(1,000cc's not 600) with a stock ACR running 11.9's. If you did the rider was probaly 90yrs old and mentally handicapped. These bikes run 9's stock, and even the "slow" 600's are running high 9's/low 10's. Not saying it didn't happen but that's like someone saying they beat a Viper in their Kia Sephia.....

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Trying to run 9's on a R1 or 600 is CRAZY!!!!They may be able to do it,,,,only with a professional driver,,,,and thats only on a R1!!!!!Just my opinion!!

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Mopar426 :

I did beat two Yamaha's that were R somethings ON THE EXPRESSWAY (maybe not R1 must have been R6's but that's what I rememebered ?) and I thought they were 600's somehow but I am not a bike expert by any means and did not take a real detailed look as I tend to get all hyper during racing. One thing for sure is that my buddies Busa is without a question a 1300 and faster on the highway than those bikes including the R1 anyway.

I never said I was beating R1's in the quarter if you carefully read the post. I said on the highway and it has happened on more than one occassion there is no doubt about it and maybe the riders sucked ? One was in full racing garb so I figured he might know what he was doing ? I also run on the expressway with my Buddy on his Busa all the time (he works for me) so I know with the basically stock ACR and stock bikes I am in all their league on the top end.

If I raced the R1 from a dead stop or Busa for that matter in the Quarter with a STOCK VIPER of course I would loose. From 20-30mph and on the expressway it is a different story I guarentee because it has happened many times.

Even with the professional drivers from the bike magazines - for the most part stock sport bikes (especially 600's) are running 11's and 10's at best. If you dont believe this see this link I just found:

http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_street_bike_performance_times/

Based on these numbers I'd guess it was not an R1 but a Yamaha R6. This also confirms that the top end on those bikes are not as strong as the Busa and they cant beat me on the expressway toping out in the 150/160 range where i probably begin to pull on them.

But back to my real question which is will my new SRT with all those mods (700 to 800 hp) be able to hang in the quarter ? I already know I will likely pull on the expressway just based on the stock ACR and with the added SC will be able to likely take it past 200mph which even the Busa cant do.

I plan to document my first runs over 200 mph in High Def this summer and post for all to see and enjoy! This is just one of those milestones and exclusive clubs I want to get into and document.

I go to the strip all the time and I am not seeing the stock 600's with typical drivers running 9's, or even low 10's for that matter. With mods no problem, stock - no. If I can run low tens consistently with traction control, launch control and other goodies the average rider and stock street bikes will be loosing in a race with me - be that dead stop, roll or highway and thats all I am looking for.

Still really amazing for any car in my opinion.

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If it was an R6 then "at speed" it's possible. Bike have the disadvanyage at speed because of the decreased aerodynamics...

As far as you're blown Viper, you can probably granny shift and run 10's.

Mopar426 :

I did beat two Yamaha's that were R somethings ON THE EXPRESSWAY (maybe not R1 must have been R6's but that's what I rememebered ?) and I thought they were 600's somehow but I am not a bike expert by any means and did not take a real detailed look as I tend to get all hyper during racing. One thing for sure is that my buddies Busa is without a question a 1300 and faster on the highway than those bikes including the R1 anyway.

I never said I was beating R1's in the quarter if you carefully read the post. I said on the highway and it has happened on more than one occassion there is no doubt about it and maybe the riders sucked ? One was in full racing garb so I figured he might know what he was doing ? I also run on the expressway with my Buddy on his Busa all the time (he works for me) so I know with the basically stock ACR and stock bikes I am in all their league on the top end.

If I raced the R1 from a dead stop or Busa for that matter in the Quarter with a STOCK VIPER of course I would loose. From 20-30mph and on the expressway it is a different story I guarentee because it has happened many times.

Even with the professional drivers from the bike magazines - for the most part stock sport bikes (especially 600's) are running 11's and 10's at best. If you dont believe this see this link I just found:

http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_street_bike_performance_times/

Based on these numbers I'd guess it was not an R1 but a Yamaha R6. This also confirms that the top end on those bikes are not as strong as the Busa and they cant beat me on the expressway toping out in the 150/160 range where i probably begin to pull on them.

But back to my real question which is will my new SRT with all those mods (700 to 800 hp) be able to hang in the quarter ? I already know I will likely pull on the expressway just based on the stock ACR and with the added SC will be able to likely take it past 200mph which even the Busa cant do.

I plan to document my first runs over 200 mph in High Def this summer and post for all to see and enjoy! This is just one of those milestones and exclusive clubs I want to get into and document.

I go to the strip all the time and I am not seeing the stock 600's with typical drivers running 9's, or even low 10's for that matter. With mods no problem, stock - no. If I can run low tens consistently with traction control, launch control and other goodies the average rider and stock street bikes will be loosing in a race with me - be that dead stop, roll or highway and thats all I am looking for.

Still really amazing for any car in my opinion.

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Just two nights ago I was flying home down 90 heading to Saint Charles where I live and probably crusing around 120 when I saw a guy tucked way in on a bike weaving in and out down the expressway ahead as I was creeping up towards him so I knew he was moving. The guy almost turned right into me as I was coming up on him in the far left lane because he must have thought he was flying so fast there could not possibly be anyone that would pass him and just as he was about to change lanes WHOOSH there I went and I startled him as he jumped back in the middle lane.

I knew he would be hitting it after me so I gave him no chance and as soon as I passed him dropped her down a gear and stomped it to the floor. He tried to keep up but I continued to slowly pull away all the way to somewhere close to 180 mph.

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Name definately fits, CRAZY

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Twin Turbo - I do agree the name is fitting and I do drive fast and love it (honestly preferring to do it on the track or strip but time is limited for those activities so I have to fill the need often on the street).

I try not to be wildly wreckless on the street waiting for the right time and openings to make my moves versus so many teens I see in thier ricers who dont know how to drive cutting people off, riding on the shoulder, never signalling, slamming thier brakes and poor driving in general.

Many times I am more concerned of what the other guy I am racing is going to do and them making a mistake I cant control more than anything else.

When people like this rider who did not even bother to look in his rear view mirror @ 120mph just jump into lanes it actually motivates me to spank them and teach them they dont own the road as there is always someone faster than us all.

I really know my vehicles well taking them to the track, strip and driving hard usually in the wee hours when the roads are clear to really get to know thier limits. I never do something that I dont already know how the car is going to deal with it and I guess thats a big difference as I have 0 accidents in over 15 years of driving.

Obviously driving at these high speeds is dangerous and I know that, but I try and do it as intelligently as possible as I dont plan on going anywhere soon - god willing.

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Your need for speed is understandable. The way you acted out your need for speed is not. This part of your post is troubling: "When people like this rider who did not even bother to look in his rear view mirror @ 120mph just jump into lanes it actually motivates me to spank them and teach them they dont own the road as there is always someone faster than us all."

What if he did not see you and pulled into your lane or, even worse, your car? What if he had an equipment failure? What if your actions had startled him into a loss of control resulting in a fatal crash? What if you had an equipment failure? Driving skills are great but unforseen equipment failures and/or driver reactions can occur. At the speeds that you were traveling,you, as a computer expert, surely realize that you were moving at hundreds of feet per second and that any loss of control could easily prove fatal for you and others. If you kill yourself or someone else, you will not be spanking anyone ever again. However, Someone will certainly be spanking you. Have fun but please reconsider traveling at the high speeds you mentioned on a highway, especially when there are other cars within sight,whether they are on your side of the road or the opposite side of the road. Someone recently posted that 17% of all Vipers have been wrecked. As recently as this week, there was a post about a fatality. Be careful.

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I agree it is dangerous and if SOMEONE ELSE makes a mistake I cant control that and they will certainly not be spanking me if it's thier fault after we both perish. My family will make sure of that as anyones loved ones would.

In my opinion the moment two people decide to race they should both be just as responsible as the other if either of them or anyone else for that matter gets injured as it's the "race" that is going to cause bad things to happen if they do. A "race" requires two participants. If this was law you might think twice before jumping into a race with a young kid, high HP car, bike or otherwise. My two cents but this law would help.

Error, mechanical or otherwise if we both get taken out then we have no one to blame but ourselves. I say drive smart and you can go fast fairly safe, dramatically lowering the odds of disaster. This means you dont run when it's 5pm in heavy traffic, if you run off the expressway keep it to an apx. quarter mile anything faster on local streets is asking for trouble (accident, police, etc, racing beyond your vehicles limits such as a rear wheel Viper trying to race in the rain or on slick roads, so on and so forth.

I also think anyone who buys a purposeful built car like a Viper, Ferrari, Lambo is buying it because it can "GO FAST" which most fully expect to experience on a regular basis. What else are we going to use a $80k +, 2 seater, V10, 500+hp vehicle for ?.

If you tell me shows, polishing and admiring it without running it - I would rather puke and be driving a mini van in that case. I am not a big fan of those who buy fast cars like these and are always the ones driving so slow they probably cause more accidents than the guys who are speeding - at least go the damn speed limit!

The 17% statistic is no suprise to me with the Viper in particular as I have and have had many other cars and none are quite as tricky to understand the dynamics and limits as one of these beasts. Vettes with TC, SC, good weight distribution and balanced performance for instance is a breeze to drive by comparison but you know what the Vette is not the car I enjoy driving most.

I hear you on all counts so dont think I dont but in reality we all are here because we have a bad habit - VIPERS!!!

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I usually do not come from this side of things but youe are crazy. If you really drive as you state you should be taken off the road permanently.

I like the quote "Sometimes it's even funny seeing the bikes in the rearview once they get into what I would guess is around a 150 mph trying to handle the turns and rough roads."

If you are driving 150 mph on a road with turns and rough surface you are NUTS! I am glad you are not on the roads here.

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Hi Crazy I. Thank you for taking the time to read my post. I think it is fair to say that most, if not all, of the members of the VCA have their respective acceleration and high velocity needs. The difference is where the actions necessary to fulfill those needs take place. Luck is a wonderful thing until it runs out. I have never met a formerly overconfident dead person at a VCA event. Take it to the track or at least try to isolate the behavior to locations where, under any set of occurrences, driver error and equipment failure included, no one but you will be injured.

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Since you have already been chastised for your reckless driving, I'll spare you additional comment on that and try to answer your question.

The set-up you described is certainly capable of low 10s with enough boost (10 to 12 lbs would probably do it) and a decent driver. However, if you still have stock engine internals, you are probably headed for problems. The factory pistons are cast and the ring lans are somewhat weak. They will break before long if you run more than 7 or 8 lbs of boost, even with a good tune. Considering your goal and your driving characteristics, I would highly recommend rods and pisons if you haven't alreday done that.

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I try not to be wildly wreckless on the street waiting for the right time and openings to make my moves versus so many teens I see in thier ricers who dont know how to drive cutting people off, riding on the shoulder, never signalling, slamming thier brakes and poor driving in general.

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Your kidding right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Talk about calling the kettle black, ricers poor driving in general, and what do you think you are doing, even though you got years and years of driving experience, you should know better with all that experience. .02

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CRAZY you are your going to kill someone. if your running 11.9'S with
the ACR i think you should work on your driving skills alittle. post the time
slip if you have it, i would be interested in seeing it. do you know if its the
hole shot killing you or your shift points.

Re: What are the chances I can get in the low 10\'s in Quarter Mile ?

Soon SVS will be completing all the mods to my 2006 First Edition SRT Coupe and I will be taking it to the strip to see what she will do. I am wondering what my chances are of running in the low 10's as my goal is to take on a budy at the strip with a bone stock Hyabusa that is running high 10's.

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Most of my bike riding has been Harley or custom v-twins. I just sold my 04 Hayabusa, bone stock except for a Pingle electric shifter(no clutch necessary). It is an incredible bike and with someone that knows how to run it at the strip you are in for a handful. New SRT with your new mods, drag radials, etc., I have to believe until you have a lot of experience with how your new coupe is best run, your chances of running low 10's is slight and the 'busa is going to kick your butt at the track for quite a while. If you do by chance make me a liar, bless you; will you be interested in giving me private lessons?

Lofty, admirable and doable goal; just not this year.

Larry

PS. The 200+ for the 'busa is a $75 electronic module away. First year of production they were capable of 200+, after that Suzuki changed the 6th gear timing. For the most part, the running gear is the same, or better. A TRE module (timing retard eliminator) fools the bike and it thinks it is in 5th gear when in 6th. 200+ is attainable at an potentially incredibly insane cost. After my first 167mph run, I was told I was going to be a grandfather.
Sold the 'busa. Now, same goal only 4 wheels.

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With crazy around I feel more normal. LOL

I hate to say it but i know how crazy feels. When my viper was paxton fed I ran a 7/11 700 frame with a built 1100 motor.

We went from a roll 50 to 178 at about 160ish he ran out of bike (i guess sproket) anyways its a crazy feeing knowing that I just spanked a race bike.

vd..

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Don't some of you think you are coming on a little thick with the safety shame on you on the street stuff? Yes, I do stupid things at stupid times on the street, last one got Bit by the Snake. Seriously, you really have that kind of self control? Do you really drive a Viper and only use it's potential at a track? Wow, I'm really impressed.

I've been associating with the wrong people my whole life! LOL

Larry

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Hi Larry. You asked: "Don't some of you think you are coming on a little thick with the safety shame on you on the street stuff?"

The short answer is NO. Many of us indulge in an occassional bit of acceleration or velocity on the street when there is no traffic in sight. However, Crazy I is driving on the steet at absurdly high speeds with traffic in sight, at times over rough surfaced roads, and well outside any driver's ability to recover from a loss of control if one should occur. As I said above, luck is a wonderful thing - until it runs out. In Crazy I's case, if luck runs out at the speeds that he mentioned, it is more probable than not that there will be a serious injury or fatality. I wish him well with his quest to achieve low tens at the track. I hope that he listens to the warnings in this string and adusts his behavior accordingly. No one takes pleasure in reading about a wrecked Viper and even less reading about an injured or killed Viper driver.

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I just hope WHEN you wreck you only kill yourself and not the innocent people on the road.

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Crazy1,

With your new mods you should be able to get into the 10's. Traction will be your biggest challenge with the 3.55's. Tires will go up in smoke very easily. I had a similar set up once and went back to the 3.07s which made the car much easier to drive. Low 10's consistently, probably not.

Someone above mentioned the engine's internals. If you haven't had the pistons changed, take the car back now and do so. You will loose your pistons if you drive the car as I know you will. The ring lands will fail - they did in my car.

And yes, you can beat up most bikes at speed without much trouble.

Be safe.

Dan

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crazy, you should not have a problem running 10's. why are you putting in 3.55's? why not stay stock or run 3.33's? with the power you are going to make, i think 3.55's are overkill. plus i'm sure you are going to want more power sooner than later, after having a boosted car. i see forged internals in your near future.

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twinturbo3150 -

Crazy, a fitting name, well - yes, but for many different reasons than just driving that I wont get into - I would sum it up as my lust for life! Looking back both far and near you might call others with strong passions like Cesaer and building his Roman Empire or Armstrong and the quest to land on the moon as "Crazy" as well - but I dont! I am not in that league in terms of my driving having any large underlying importance other than - it makes me happy and puts a smile on my face!

Regarding - I am kidding comment, not at all. I am very, very serious when I drive fast. Watching the thousands of other drivers who do the same thing every day I would say this makes about half the population "Crazy" by YOUR definition.

Just because I can accelerate faster and climb to higher speeds than many others does not mean the THOUSDANDS of people I see pushing THIER cars as hard as they will go
every day are any safer than me.

Do you really think when a mom with a car full of kids is driving her mini van or suburban as hard as it will go either in a rush, trying to race past everyone or just out of what I think is probably the sheer frustration of having to drive one of these things - is not just as dangerous as say one guy like myself in a car purpose built for this kind of performance driving? I personally dont see it one way or the other being any better or worse.

There are soo many driving "Crazy" everyday if you will from moms in thier mini vans, teens in thier front drive buzz bombs and motorcyclists on thier pocket rockets just to name a few classes of "Crazies".

I say the world would not be what it is today and life have no meaning if we all looked the same, drove the same and acted the same as you seem to want in your perfect world.

Thank god we live in a free country, I have no true ill feeling against you or anyone with thier own opinions on the subject for that matter. However, I will debate such issues until I can type no more as I KNOW I am not the only one driving fast.

I say you do what you want, motivates you and you believe in and I will do the same. This will make us both happy and make the world a place worth living for both of us in my opinion. Happy living!

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Bobpantax


RE: This part of your post is troubling: "When people like this rider who did not even bother to look in his rear view mirror @ 120mph just jump into lanes it actually motivates me to spank them and teach them they dont own the road as there is always someone faster than us all."

Bob,

If I were you I would be happy that someone else like myself is willing to potentially sacrifice his own well being to get a wreckless driver to slow down so I dont 100% agree with your view.

I may drive fast but dont consider myself wreckless as I do not drive 120mph as he was ON A MOTORCYCLE (meaning far less bodily protection) and weaving in and out of cars "without even signalling"!

Even as someone who drives fast this still ****** me off and I decided I will show this guy to get him to slow down ? I'll admit it was also partly for what "I" and obviously not others call the excitement of the race as well.

In the end my objective was sucsessful and the bike rider slowed down in defeat probably was not as agressive at least for the rest of the night and "Maybe?" I even helped eliminate an accident otherwise.

I personally did not cut in and out of traffic and anytime there might of been a car or two well in front of me - I signal far in advance so they know where I am planning on going which is another tip I will give to those who drive fast. There is nothing like not signalling, scaring a driver who sees you approaching in thier rear view and then they cut into the lane you do at the same time you decide they are not going to move and want to take another lane.

RE: I have never met a formerly overconfident dead person at a VCA event. Take it to the track or at least try to isolate the behavior to locations where, under any set of occurrences, driver error and equipment failure included, no one but you will be injured.

I agree 100% and this is what is overlooked by everyone reading and ripping me a new one about my wreckless driving. I dont just drive 180mph everywhere, with heavy traffic, cutting people off and so on - it's not possible anyway! 180mph takes a stretch and you need space.

I mainly take fast 1/4 mile rips in light local traffic or high speed runs as I described at 3 or 4am on the expressway when there are very few people out.

In my view I drive based on very calculated risk.

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I am trying to respond to all that were kind enough to post so I appologize for the back to back responses which might make it hard to follow this thread. If you go back to the references I have in each you should be able to follow better.


GR8_ASP RE:

((I usually do not come from this side of things but youe are crazy. If you really drive as you state you should be taken off the road permanently.

I like the quote "Sometimes it's even funny seeing the bikes in the rearview once they get into what I would guess is around a 150 mph trying to handle the turns and rough roads."

If you are driving 150 mph on a road with turns and rough surface you are NUTS! I am glad you are not on the roads here. )))))


I along with half the other drivers on the road would then need to be taken off the roads. That is not going to happen!

The roads were Chicago Expressways, rough - yes a little for me but a lot more for the bike. Turns more like bends nothing major again for me but a bit funny to watch a guy on a bike who is obviously driving beyond his skills and or the environment he needs to keep his two wheels planted on! That's all I meant as I think it's far more "Crazy" and stupid for that individual with little protection, half the number of wheels and so on to be driving the way he was than I who was as comfortable as could be.

I dont drive 150 on the road everyday (not possible with the Chicago traffic most of the time) so I would not read into that which you do not know. Most of these events tooks place at 2,3,4 am when there are very few people on the roads.

Even if I listed 20 distinct instances of highspeed driving this tells you nothing about my overall driving on a daily basis and would represent such a samll percent of my overall driving volume you know nothing about me to be telling me "I should be permanently removed from the road".

This was not what the post was about to begin with so I dont know why people feel obligated to go off in another direction when they dont have ALL the information to make such comments.

Please stick to what I and others created their post for. I know the risks, laws and so on of driving and will be making those decisions on my own.

Thank You

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My quick list of responses:

valentine_viper - I agree I am going to have to look into the internals. Thank you for the thoughts.

twinturbo3150 - I wont give you one of my trademark responses as I do like to write (I would just read my response to the others who were critical on my driving)

rleminv - people are coming on too thick and more importantly - OFF SUBJECT. Regarding the busa front I know all about the top speed limiter and one of my other buddies has a Turbo busa with over 400rwhp, stretched frame, etc!!! Talk about Crazy - you could not strap me to that thing (talk about death trap)

VIPER D - Love the story as these Vipers can be sick! Are you running stock internals on your SC car ? Have you taken it to the strip and/or what rwhp numbers do you have ?

Mopar426 - Obviously you are Jesus reborn and can tell us all the great fate and doom of my future! Thank you but I'll pass. I am young, just living life, not as wreckless as many seem to think and dont plan on going anywhere anytime soon!

Viper TT/10 - Talk about crazy. Your car is going to be the baddest Viper ever! I hear you on the gearing and I do think I will stick with the 3.07 to start and see how it all hooks up. I also see forged internals, lets just hope its not because I blow the motor before doing it.

Re: What are the chances I can get in the low 10\'s in Quarter Mile ?

Hi again Crazy I. You said: "I mainly take fast 1/4 mile rips in light local traffic or high speed runs as I described at 3 or 4am on the expressway when there are very few people out." Any taffic, even "light local traffic" is dangerous. At 3 or 4 AM, some, if not most, of the people on the road are not at their most alert state of mind.

Your explanation about the speeding bikers has a severe logic flaw. If a biker loses control, the bike and the driver are the most likely objects to be injured or killed without much injury to others. This is the case because of the small space occupied by the bike and the low combined weight of the bike and its driver. You, on the other hand, are in a car. It occupies a significantly larger volume of space on the highway and weighs more than 3500 pounds with you in it. When is the last time you saw an article in the paper, a news item on TV, or a news item on the net where a biker had an accident on the highway; the biker survived; and, the driver of the car the biker collided with died? Answer: NEVER. The biker is the one that gets killed or, as is frequently the case, suffers severe injuries leading to para or quadrapalegia. If you want to stop the biker from driving poorly, make a mental note of the bike's description; memorize his or her tag number; and, call the local highway police on your cell phone.

Lastly, I can assure you that any third party that may witness one of your chases is most likely thinking the following: Who is that crazy person driving the Viper and why is the motorcycle trying to flee from him? You are also very lucky that you have not experienced a violent road rage incident as a result of your behavior. There are places, like South Florida, where some bikers carry weapons. No matter how fast you think you can drive, the bullet from a weapon discharged by an angry biker will catch your vehicle.

Re: What are the chances I can get in the low 10\'s in Quarter Mile ?

WANTED - Happy to see you chimed in.

I dont know if you were setting me up for one of my typical repsonses thinking I did not know who you are so you could offer a race to me and spank my a _ _ ! But no thank you!

I know the great times you run and you obviously have the right combination of skill/car/technical. Based on others with stock Vipers times here, track conditions, etc ... - I dont think with a 11.9 in a stock ACR my driving is all that bad and in fact was quite good.

I will try to locate my slips from last year and I will post so you can give me any tips that you might see from that. The only real thing I thought might be my demise other than off the line traction issues is the tire chirps during each shift and any tire pressure, cooling or other technical tips you might have.

How much could I gain in your view if anything by granny shifting vs powershifting ?

I am just curious if you could list all the "Optimal" details you have learned in running a stock Viper as fast at the strip as possible? It seems this or the fact that you also have a very strong car would be the two major factors in your exceptional times.

In my view a driver in a straight line can only be so good to a point and then it's all these other factors that come into play.

If really wanting to test "pure driver skills" - would you not agree taking a car two drivers are not familar with, cant touch as far as setup (tire presure, cooling, fuel, etc...) and then having the two drivers do 5 runs to see who can gets the fastest run is quite a bit better of a test of the "Actual Driver" vs a strong car, tuning/tweaks to eek performance, hundreds of runs of practice in a particular car and so on ?

This eliminates all the technical details you are obviously a master of and allows one to see each "DRIVERS" true skills.

Ron here in Illinois at SVS (probably one of the most accomplished Viper drivers there is) has taken me to the strip and the road couse so I know there is no magical driving skill that makes someone a half second faster than another really good driver other than some of the factors I mentioned.

I for one want to learn as much as possible so please tell all!

Re: What are the chances I can get in the low 10\'s in Quarter Mile ?

Sorry for the second post but a response to the following language is required by common sense. Crazy I said: "I would sum it up as my lust for life! Looking back both far and near you might call others with strong passions like Cesaer and building his Roman Empire or Armstrong and the quest to land on the moon as "Crazy" as well - but I dont! I am not in that league in terms of my driving having any large underlying importance other than - it makes me happy and puts a smile on my face!"

The above is a very interesting and telling choice of words. I would suggest to you that comparing your speeding, in any fashion, to the activities of Caesar and Astronaut Armstrong is a bit over the top. Your behavior is simply a selfish indulgence benefiting no one but yourself to generate pleasure for yourself at the possible economic, physical and mental expense of others. If you cannot see how inappropriate your analogy really is, there is more at issue here than simply speeding. I, for one, do not criticize you for your love of acceleration and velocity. However, as I said before, the levels of speed that you describe belong on the track or, at least, in a very safe location where there is NO TRAFFIC - NOT EVEN A LITTLE and no buildings or other inhabited objects on the sides of the road that can be hit by you if you lose control. I am sorry if the above seems a bit harsh but there is one thing that you can say about us VCA members - we actually care whether another member is engaging in dangerous behavior. One member's fatal accident can and does affect us all.

Re: What are the chances I can get in the low 10\'s in Quarter Mile ?

Bobpantax

I am not the kind to just take a tag and call the police like a little taddle tale. If a motorcyle rider is as wreckless as this guy I feel its a call to duty in many ways and I am more than willing to put my butt on the line.

If it ends up he is the one injured and I walk away it's not the end that I want for anyone, but just getting the police to give them a ticket means they will be right back on the road the next day doing the same thing.

In some cases you have to fight fire with fire as in WAR. This can make a difference and change a person.

At 3am or 4am the odds are no better or worse of a major accident at that point as you who obviously never speeds driving along on your typical Sunday drive and ends up hitting a deer or something stupid like that.

I mean at some point the odds are much lower and it does not take a genius to figure that out. I use those times as I did here to take a calculated risk and came out OK.

Bikes cause fatalities small or large. Any machine moving at that rate can cause death. For the bike rider much more likely than anyone else and thats why I dont drive bikes and others who do are the real WRECKLESS or CRAZY drivers.

I have included this quick link without more than a minute of searching on the web to show you what a motorcylce can do to a car and it is deadly:

http://cellar.org/iotd.php?threadid=9041

Thank You,

Jim