My first run against a Z06

Yup, it is obvious you beat the driver. Trust me, I have had both cars, and the Viper wont beat the Z06 driver for driver, especially at 100+.

But a win is a win..

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Sorry u had to down-grade. Hopefully u can get back into a snake when your finances are in better shape.

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Downgrade? If I wanted a Viper I could have gotten a 2005 Viper for the same price or less, but chose not to. I'd appreciate if you don't assume anything about my financial status, as you don't know me. But if you do want to discuss that, we can.

Like I said, having owned both, the Z06 would beat an SRT EVERYTIME from ANY mph with equal driver. Live with it.

Yup, it is obvious you beat the driver. Trust me, I have had both cars, and the Viper wont beat the Z06 driver for driver, especially at 100+.

But a win is a win..

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Sorry u had to down-grade. Hopefully u can get back into a snake when your finances are in better shape.

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Downgrade? If I wanted a Viper I could have gotten a 2005 Viper for the same price or less, but chose not to. I'd appreciate if you don't assume anything about my financial status, as you don't know me. But if you do want to discuss that, we can.

Like I said, having owned both, the Z06 would beat an SRT EVERYTIME from ANY mph with equal driver. Live with it.

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Wow!

Fadi you are really gaining my respect. Not. You bought a previous buy back car that had an engine replaced some time priopr to your purchase. You have no clue how representative your specific car was versus the complete range of variation car to car for the entire production of each. You also assume that the behavior of each will be consistent in all environmental conditions and locations, with all fuel variations under all possible wear conditions (tires, etc) and with all combinations of options.

Guess what? There is no freaking way you would know all that. And to be so cocky to say one will beat all under every possible circumstance is [******]. On average they are within .1 to .2 second in a 1/4 mile. Tire age alone can create that much variation as well as a myriad of other variables. I would even bet that you, a stated expert in the field of automotive evaluation, cannot do 1/4 mile runs consistently within .2 second, street or strip.

So come on and be real. I would not make a bold statement like that between a Gen II and Gen III, with a 10 percent difference in power because I know that variation exists and is larger than the nominal difference.

Yup, it is obvious you beat the driver. Trust me, I have had both cars, and the Viper wont beat the Z06 driver for driver, especially at 100+.

But a win is a win..

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Sorry u had to down-grade. Hopefully u can get back into a snake when your finances are in better shape.

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Downgrade? If I wanted a Viper I could have gotten a 2005 Viper for the same price or less, but chose not to. I'd appreciate if you don't assume anything about my financial status, as you don't know me. But if you do want to discuss that, we can.

Like I said, having owned both, the Z06 would beat an SRT EVERYTIME from ANY mph with equal driver. Live with it.

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Wow!

Fadi you are really gaining my respect. Not. You bought a previous buy back car that had an engine replaced some time priopr to your purchase. You have no clue how representative your specific car was versus the complete range of variation car to car for the entire production of each. You also assume that the behavior of each will be consistent in all environmental conditions and locations, with all fuel variations under all possible wear conditions (tires, etc) and with all combinations of options.

Guess what? There is no freaking way you would know all that. And to be so cocky to say one will beat all under every possible circumstance is [******]. On average they are within .1 to .2 second in a 1/4 mile. Tire age alone can create that much variation as well as a myriad of other variables. I would even bet that you, a stated expert in the field of automotive evaluation, cannot do 1/4 mile runs consistently within .2 second, street or strip.

So come on and be real. I would not make a bold statement like that between a Gen II and Gen III, with a 10 percent difference in power because I know that variation exists and is larger than the nominal difference.

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My Viper dynoed at 437/475 bone stock. I have seen many Viper dynos and I would say that my car put down an average or a little above average dyno number. We can sit here and talk about what the BEST dyno is for the Viper, but then we can do the same for the Z06. In knowng that, I would say I had a car that had an accurate representation of a Vipers straight line performance.

The Viper and the Z06 are .1-.2 secs apart on average? Hardly.

Z06 vs. Viper vs. FGT.
Autombile mag:
Z06: 12.0, Viper: 12.4

Z06 vs. Viper vs. FGT.
Motortrend:
Z06: 11.6, Viper: 12.0

Best time for Z06 this far by a mag: [email protected] (From mags)
Best time for the Viper by a mag: [email protected]

And this is NOT mentioning the mph differences stated along the above ET tests where the Z06 is far and beyond the Vipers. On average, the Z06 has been trapping around 125 mph, where on average the Viper traps at 121. Close? Give me a break.

I don't have to go by these numbers to tell you that the Z06 is faster (Though it is nice to have two different sources. One being me and the other being ALL the magazines that have tested them). I have had BOTH, and the Z06 is QUICKER. You Viper fellas really just have to just accept that.

You made it clear from most of your posts that you do not respect me, and that is ok with me, really. frankly, I couldn't care less if you have any respect for me or not, Ron.

P.S.-Find my ANY stock Viper or even near stock Viper in town(Or state, for that matter) and we can put this to test. The Viper has been ahead for so long until now where the Z06 is kicking its ass all over the place. Trust me, I feel your pain and frustration.

Wow....I cant believe there are still some Viper owners that cant face the truth....No current street legal Viper off the assembly line can beat a new Z06 period. You got an owner of both telling you that as well as many vids and testimonies of Vipers with exhaust and other bolt ons still getting easily beat by the new Z06....No matter how it hurts and how much you want it not to be that way its not going to change the outcome. You can stick your head in the Mopar sandlot and pretend its not reality if you want but the Z06 is the better performance car period. Real car guys would have no problem acknowledging that. You prefer the Viper to the Vette fine...But **** about how they are pretty even or that its a downgrade blah blah blah..

Think about this. The new Z06 will run with the Comp Coupe in a straight line according to test figures...Comp Coupe does the 1/4 in 11.3 @ 126-130mph ON SLICKS...This Z06 will do similar numbers ON STREET TIRES. Give the car its due and stop being b!tches. There is no rational reason to buy an SRT10/Coupe with the availability of the new Z06. The looks of the Viper no longer justify its price or exclusivity over the Z06...It would be a harder purchase choice between the Gen II and the new Z06 than it is for the Gen III vs the new Z06 just because of the styling..The Gen II looks more special...Not so the SRT...The Gen II styling is timeless and would make you forget about its inferior performance to the Z06...Some of you guys need to take off the Mopar Special .99 cent spectacles and see reality...

Ill be a Viperhead till I die but this new Z06 has out Vipered the Viper and I for one can respect and like it. Dont cry about it as it appears that DC will put the Viper back where it belongs..If it goes on a diet as well as get that 650hp boost...

I don't know Fadi, I think your Z06 and SRT-10 would be closer than you'd think.

I don't know Fadi, I think your Z06 and SRT-10 would be closer than you'd think.

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Ya, I think you are right. Kind of like how you didn't think the Z06 would be THAT much quikcer than your NSX..

Defending the ZO6 in this forum is like going to the Ferrari pits, and discussing how it is that Renault is beating them up and down the block. Some things you just don't do.

Funny - the same threads are all over the vette forums. I like the fact that cars are like girlfriends - nice to look at, fun to drive fast, and you'll defend them with you life when you truly love'em...

I guess that makes me a polygamist - cars wise - because I have both. 04 White Mamba and an 06 Black Z06.
http://home.austin.rr.com/arrowgames

As for the two cars compared, well I will simply post what I did on the vette forums...

I love them both. I won't criticize either car but will give what I see are the highlights of each:

SRT-10:
-more exotic looking
-open road feel vert
-crazy amounts of torque
-living on the edge driving experience
-better car for the vanity cruise (always an ego boost)

C6 Z06:
-actually a much faster car - in every single category
-smoother power and speed delivery
-better handling in the bends, lighter, nimble
-sophisticated driving experience
-incredible ride - comfort and precision

I say we all just agree that they are both phenomenal cars and leave it at that.

Funny - the same threads are all over the vette forums. I like the fact that cars are like girlfriends - nice to look at, fun to drive fast, and you'll defend them with you life when you truly love'em...

I guess that makes me a polygamist - cars wise - because I have both. 04 White Mamba and an 06 Black Z06.
http://home.austin.rr.com/arrowgames

As for the two cars compared, well I will simply post what I did on the vette forums...

I love them both. I won't criticize either car but will give what I see are the highlights of each:

SRT-10:
-more exotic looking
-open road feel vert
-crazy amounts of torque
-living on the edge driving experience
-better car for the vanity cruise (always an ego boost)

C6 Z06:
-actually a much faster car - in every single category
-smoother power and speed delivery
-better handling in the bends, lighter, nimble
-sophisticated driving experience
-incredible ride - comfort and precision

I say we all just agree that they are both phenomenal cars and leave it at that.

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Well even though you gave an UNBIASED opinion you'll still get bashed saying any car much less a Vette is faster than a Viper.

Sad but true....

I say we all just agree that they are both phenomenal cars and leave it at that.

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Agreed! But how do you keep the roof from flying off the Corvette?

NHTSA said General Motors Corp. (GM.N: Quote, Profile, Research) is recalling 30,793 Chevrolet Corvette cars from the 2005-2006 model years as the adhesive between the roof panel and the frame may separate and the roofs could fly off.

"If there is a complete separation, the roof panel may detach from the vehicle and it could strike another vehicle and cause injury and property damage," NHTSA said.

Funny - the same threads are all over the vette forums. I like the fact that cars are like girlfriends - nice to look at, fun to drive fast, and you'll defend them with you life when you truly love'em...

I guess that makes me a polygamist - cars wise - because I have both. 04 White Mamba and an 06 Black Z06.
http://home.austin.rr.com/arrowgames

As for the two cars compared, well I will simply post what I did on the vette forums...

I love them both. I won't criticize either car but will give what I see are the highlights of each:

SRT-10:
-more exotic looking
-open road feel vert
-crazy amounts of torque
-living on the edge driving experience
-better car for the vanity cruise (always an ego boost)

C6 Z06:
-actually a much faster car - in every single category
-smoother power and speed delivery
-better handling in the bends, lighter, nimble
-sophisticated driving experience
-incredible ride - comfort and precision

I say we all just agree that they are both phenomenal cars and leave it at that.

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"Much faster car"..Nah, you must be lying..

Like I told everyone, the C6 Z06 is the quicker/faster car from any mph. In my opinion, and in my experience of having both, the Z06 is a much better overall car. More comfort, better handling, better acceleration, along with awesome looks. But I will admit that the stereo, the brakes, and the seats are much better in the Viper.

Z06 might be better for unexperienced drivers like Fadi, it is easier to drive fast and it is more comfortable (personal experience). Otherwise it (IMO) ***** based on looks and overall styling and the driver comfort (seats, steering wheel and the seating position). Both Z06 and Viper driven by equal drivers on the street and racetrack would run the same in the real life, there are just too many variables (such as tires and track, right?) and the world is not about a straight line, or is it?.

A friend of mine has Z06 and we get together on a occassion. My viper is no longer good match for comparisons since I have short rear end. So on 1/4 I have to shift sooner and go into 4th while he has one shift less. And the top speed on 1 mile is reduced as much as by 15% in my case (just top RPM in 5th make the maths). On 2km (~ 1 1/4 mile) he did 292km/h while I did 272km/h. But in mind of Fadi and alike he is better right? Z06 is a better car, right?


But on the racetrack - guess what: I did 1:56 lap while he did 2:08. Geez, is he a worse driver or does he have worse car?

Following vid will show our 1/4 launch where his Z06 had traction control disabled. Until I had to shift we run dead even. With TC enabled his time was 11,79 while mine was 12,02 with no TC.

http://media.putfile.com/Viper_Z06_launch

For me it comes down to what I want from the car. Viper is a true exotic toy which will make other drivers smile just by looking at it. Z06 is - well - just a car, although a fast one. Even the hood scope is fake... what a joke. The real joke however are folks screaming 'I drive better car, look at ME!'.

Z06 might be better for unexperienced drivers like Fadi, it is easier to drive fast and it is more comfortable (personal experience). Otherwise it (IMO) ***** based on looks and overall styling and the driver comfort (seats, steering wheel and the seating position). Both Z06 and Viper driven by equal drivers on the street and racetrack would run the same in the real life, there are just too many variables (such as tires and track, right?) and the world is not about a straight line, or is it?.

A friend of mine has Z06 and we get together on a occassion. My viper is no longer good match for comparisons since I have short rear end. So on 1/4 I have to shift sooner and go into 4th while he has one shift less. And the top speed on 1 mile is reduced as much as by 15% in my case (just top RPM in 5th make the maths). On 2km (~ 1 1/4 mile) he did 292km/h while I did 272km/h. But in mind of Fadi and alike he is better right? Z06 is a better car, right?


But on the racetrack - guess what: I did 1:56 lap while he did 2:08. Geez, is he a worse driver or does he have worse car?

Following vid will show our 1/4 launch where his Z06 had traction control disabled. Until I had to shift we run dead even. With TC enabled his time was 11,79 while mine was 12,02 with no TC.

http://media.putfile.com/Viper_Z06_launch

For me it comes down to what I want from the car. Viper is a true exotic toy which will make other drivers smile just by looking at it. Z06 is - well - just a car, although a fast one. Even the hood scope is fake... what a joke. The real joke however are folks screaming 'I drive better car, look at ME!'.

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Thanks for admitting that your modded Viper is slower than your buddies stock Z06. Trust me, I already knew this..

Madman - you're post, things that make ya go, bleh, huh?

I don't see the need to position one car as "better" than the other, as I said in my other posts - both cars have their strengths and weaknesses...

but I love (not) the "my buddy" stories...I actually have both cars, myself and as stated earlier stand behind the pros of each car.

I agree emphatically the Viper is more of an exotic "looking" car. But the fact of the matter is there is a substantial difference in speed, both in a straight line and in the corners (track).

I can do the same track in the Vette in 2 seconds better lap times than in the Viper..stock vs stock. The Z06 is nearly 500 pounds lighter than the Viper and stock vs stock came in at 478 rwhp (z06) vs 440 (SRT-10). With comparable drivers its never going to be close.

Thanks for admitting that your modded Viper is slower than your buddies stock Z06. Trust me, I already knew this..

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If the Corvette is so much better than the Viper...why are you still posting here...on a Viper site. Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you. If I wanted a Corvette review, I'll go to a Corvette site. Geez dude move on...

This was one man's encounter with a Z06.

This is a Viper site...what do you guys expect...do you expect us to say the Corvette is a better car. RIGHT Whatever...if I wanted a Z06 I would just wait till the hoopa-la is over...then its just a fast vette. One that you will see everyday driving to work, no big deal.

Madman - you're post, things that make ya go, bleh, huh?

I don't see the need to position one car as "better" than the other, as I said in my other posts - both cars have their strengths and weaknesses...

but I love (not) the "my buddy" stories...I actually have both cars, myself and as stated earlier stand behind the pros of each car.

I agree emphatically the Viper is more of an exotic "looking" car. But the fact of the matter is there is a substantial difference in speed, both in a straight line and in the corners (track).

I can do the same track in the Vette in 2 seconds better lap times than in the Viper..stock vs stock. The Z06 is nearly 500 pounds lighter than the Viper and stock vs stock came in at 478 rwhp (z06) vs 440 (SRT-10). With comparable drivers its never going to be close.

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Put down the crack pipe.

Viper Coupe - Curb Weight: 3380 lbs - 510 HP, 535 Torque (SAE certified)
Corvette Z06 - Curb Weight: 3132 lbs. - 505 HP, 470 Torque (SAE certified)


** Of course, I could find a low Viper dyno reading and a high Z06 reading to compare , and I could weight the Viper with a driver in it .

Then there's reality. The Viper weighs 248 pounds more. Thru the SAME certified dyno testing, it produced 5 more HP and 65 more torque. Am I saying the Viper is faster? No. That 248 pounds and 3.07 gears hurts the performance. But by no means is it a runaway. So after 15 years of dominance, I will give the Z06 the nod for a slight performance edge. Personally, I really don't care as I love several makes of cars. But lets, 'Keep it real'.

my white mamba weighed in (curb, full gas, no driver) at nearly 3500 lbs. I can't recall the exact weight when I did it, but it was 34xx something...I don't own a coupe so its obviously a bit lighter...

and my (non-scientific) analysis based on the locals in the area, there seems to be a big difference in drivetrain hp loss viper vs z06..my z06 only lost 13% whereas my viper lost about 22%. And while not scientific, the numbers of others in my area support this trend..

and its a well known speculation that the ls7 is well understated in hp rating...

i still believe my post is accurate. ultimately I am a fan of both cars, as I own both..and i believe there is a lot more ppl here that want to put down the z06 rather than give it the respect it deserves..

i just wish dodge would re-enter the lemans race, put the competition viper up against the c6r and we could be done with it.

The Z06 is nearly 500 pounds lighter than the Viper

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you're kidding, right? Who do you take along for the Viper drive?

When you compare weights it is very important to do them equally. Either fuel tank full or empty, etc. Even best if it is done on the same scale. Note also the Viper is not a constant weight. I believe it has gotten heavier from 2003 to 2006. Things like more thermal insulation, trunk carpet, etc. And a significant factor is wheel weight as the copperhead wheels save something like 40 lbs.

my white mamba weighed in (curb, full gas, no driver) at nearly 3500 lbs. I can't recall the exact weight when I did it, but it was 34xx something...I don't own a coupe so its obviously a bit lighter...

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The coupe is actually heavier .

It doesnt matter if a coupe or vert SRT Viper goes up against a Z06 it will lose stock to stock...The Viper is more than a sec slower than a Z06 on a few tested circuit tracks. Its also 3-4mph slower in the 1/4 than the Z06. Breaking is a wash..How can it be said that is a close match???Modded SRT Vipers are losing to stock Z06's...C6 Z06 owns SRT Vipers stock to stock period, for now...Some of you need to grow da *** up and move on...

It doesnt matter if a coupe or vert SRT Viper goes up against a Z06 it will lose stock to stock...The Viper is more than a sec slower than a Z06 on a few tested circuit tracks. Its also 3-4mph slower in the 1/4 than the Z06. Breaking is a wash..How can it be said that is a close match???Modded SRT Vipers are losing to stock Z06's...C6 Z06 owns SRT Vipers stock to stock period, for now...Some of you need to grow da *** up and move on...

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No way. I've driven both ond road race and autocross and I've noticed that:

-The SRT is way easier to drive fast, it has a more "benigng" and trust-inspiring, feedback chassis.

-it is obvious that the C6 has shorter gears, it accelerates faster coming out of the turns BUT its rear end swings out like a pendulum, and it is hard to control... I am sure the fact that I own the SRT made me more confortable with it, but the Z06's handling at the edge made me nervous, and I didn't know how much to push before pulling an embarrassing 180 spin-out (embarrasing on the track, DEADLY on the street)

Cheers`

I forgot to add...

I know we are talking about speed, but I'd take the c6's streetability and SPECIALLY its interior any day!

I guess it depends how spartan you want to go, and what you use the car for.

another point.... most people cannot even tell a C5 from a C6, let alone a Z06... but the SRT turns heads anywhere it goes!!

It doesnt matter if a coupe or vert SRT Viper goes up against a Z06 it will lose stock to stock...The Viper is more than a sec slower than a Z06 on a few tested circuit tracks. Its also 3-4mph slower in the 1/4 than the Z06. Breaking is a wash..How can it be said that is a close match???Modded SRT Vipers are losing to stock Z06's...C6 Z06 owns SRT Vipers stock to stock period, for now...Some of you need to grow da *** up and move on...

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No way. I've driven both ond road race and autocross and I've noticed that:

-The SRT is way easier to drive fast, it has a more "benigng" and trust-inspiring, feedback chassis.

-it is obvious that the C6 has shorter gears, it accelerates faster coming out of the turns BUT its rear end swings out like a pendulum, and it is hard to control... I am sure the fact that I own the SRT made me more confortable with it, but the Z06's handling at the edge made me nervous, and I didn't know how much to push before pulling an embarrassing 180 spin-out (embarrasing on the track, DEADLY on the street)

Cheers`

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I respectfully disagree.I own both and have had both at the track and have found the total opposite then your claim.However I will add that the car that you have the most seat time at the track will naturaly be the car you drive better.They are both a blast and fast.Also I believe the F1 tires are better than the pilots.My comparisons are all stock equipment except exhaust on the Srt.I found the Viper to be as# happy .I felt very little warning before doing a 180 which I
have not done in the Z06 yet.
Cheers

This is just silly! Both of these cars rock! I personally like the exotic look of my SRT. But when it comes down to it...it's simply preference. This is like watching John Holms and Long **** Silver debat whos trick is better. Bottom line: they both get the job better than done

Give it up already...they are both awesome cars