WARNING VIPER Engines with an Accumsump are imminent danger of possible failure

CarDude said:

2. When you are driving at the track, lets say in a twisty part of the course, can you honestly tell me that you are staring at the oil pressure gauge. I certainly see need to review the gauges expecially when racing but during normal driving the oil pressure gauge in the Ram SRT is not on top like it is in the Viper, so when you get the "check engine light"...game over. It kind of sits behind the steering wheel on the instrument cluster. I review it but not the often, mostly on start up and in the first few miles of driving. It has never been a huge concern, obviously until now.

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I glance at my gauges all the time street or track. I have noticed when I've had over heating both on the street and track, so I'm sure if I ever had an oil pressure issue I would notice it fairly quickly since I glance at all the gauges. And if the oil pressure dropped so rapidly that I didn't notice the gauge soon enough I'm sure sudden spinning around in circles hoping I didn't hit anything would let me know something was wrong. However to date, I haven't heard of any drastic events like that being an epidemic.

The bottom line is you put an accusump on your Viper. The accusump failed. So the problem is with accusump. I am sorry about your problem but if the Viper motor would have destructed because of a Dodge issue, Dodge would have replaced the motor. It is really quite that simple.

So all cards are on the table.....I just pointed the vendor to this link and the reply I received was:

Canton Racing said:

Dear Tony,

Thank you for sending us this information. I feel for the guy, for
the last three years my racing program has been affected by an
unscrupulous engine builder, alot more of a clear cut case than this
is. I don't think that we are getting the whole picture here. I am
following the precedence given to me by the parties that sign my
paycheck. It will be addressed when I am told to do so.

Sincerely,
Thor Schroeder

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AZTVR said:

I'd have to say that most people (including myself) don't check the gauges often enough during a road trip to catch this kind of problem early enough. It's not like being on the track and having a routine of checking gauges every lap.

Because of all the variables involved, I don't think that the warning lights are set high enough to be a safety net in the case of a rapid failure like CarDude describes in his case.

What I'm taking away from this is to make a specific effort to check gauges more often, especially during spirited driving.

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I am not trying to worry everyone. This is an awesome engine. So please don't think you are going to have a similiar failure, especially if you don't have the Accusump. But if an oil line fails...then the same thing could happen to you. Chuck is right regarding the band aid. If I had never applied it, I wouldn't be in this predicament.

Also if you read the entire post and my final findings, you will see that I believe Canton put the wrong pressure valve in. It was only rated for 88.2 psi when the Viper can see 100 psi easy...

Thanks for viewing.

Originally Posted by Canton Racing
Dear Tony,

Thank you for sending us this information. I feel for the guy, for
the last three years my racing program has been affected by an
unscrupulous engine builder, alot more of a clear cut case than this
is. I don't think that we are getting the whole picture here. I am
following the precedence given to me by the parties that sign my
paycheck. It will be addressed when I am told to do so.

Sincerely,
Thor Schroeder

More of a clear cut case...in other words I have a case...it just might be hard to prove? I am amazed that he brings in a personal story of how you should somehow feel sorry for him. He should be disgusted by his employers actions. It took them over six weeks to tell me to get lost. Why do you think they asked me for the valve back. They only care about themselves. It cost me $120 to send them the unit back.

They knew it falied when I sent it to them, but it took them a month to tell me to review their "Limited Warranty". Something smells fishy to me.

CarDude: hope you get your problem sorted out - take an Attorney and solve the problem. Good you give others a hint about the failure of the "upgrade".

But I am with Chuck, the Viper engine (stock) is very reliable and if you are not into racing the oil system is OK - many Vipers have >100000 miles with no problem - if maintained well. And, if the driver pays attention.

Checking the instruments in any car and watching unusual "noise" from the engine or drivetrain is a MUST in all cars. If you dont want to do that, dont drive. My 0.02 cents.

Have seen a car (an expensive European SUV) in Atlanta this month driving on rear wheels tilted to the side so much that one side of each rear tire had no tread and the white carcase was running on the street! Or other cars with way to low pressure!

And afterwards (after the crash) they sue the tire or car company for failure of the tire - can't stop laughing about such idiots.

You have to check the wording on the warranty, and see if consequential damages are covered, or just the cost of a new sh*tty EPC switch.

Most third tier suppliers exclude themselves from consequential damages arising out of the use of their product. Any case you might try to make, to show they were negligent, and somehow still on the hook for consequential damages really distill down to a dog fight, where the plaintiff tries to show negligence, and the defendant supplier hides behind selected engineering data that tends to exonerate them. I don't think a contingency lawyer would touch this one, so you have to fight with your own money.

Hey, you know what you might try? This guy uses his national exposure to get results, that otherwise might not be practical for the "little guy".



http://www.iamfightingforyou.com/



Daniel, if you are still reading this thread, do you know where I might get a suitable replacement for the suspect EPC switch?


























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Vic said:

Daniel, if you are still reading this thread, do you know where I might get a suitable replacement for the suspect EPC switch?

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I am still working on that... no luck yet.

Vic said:

You have to check the wording on the warranty, and see if consequential damages are covered, or just the cost of a new sh*tty EPC switch.

Most third tier suppliers exclude themselves from consequential damages arising out of the use of their product. Any case you might try to make, to show they were negligent, and somehow still on the hook for consequential damages really distill down to a dog fight, where the plaintiff tries to show negligence, and the defendant supplier hides behind selected engineering data that tends to exonerate them. I don't think a contingency lawyer would touch this one, so you have to fight with your own money.

Hey, you know what you might try? This guy uses his national exposure to get results, that otherwise might not be practical for the "little guy".



http://www.iamfightingforyou.com/



Daniel, if you are still reading this thread, do you know where I might get a suitable replacement for the suspect EPC switch?

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Thanks for the help