Excuse me, is your car on fire?

I have it on my car also. Anyone follow up with Chuck?

No, all the stock stuff is removed.
-S

ViperJon said:

Nice stuff.
They must be jumping off the shelves at 5K for the complete kit..

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The pieces that I used are the inner and outer side sill heat shield,collector heat shield and header heat shield which made it cheaper. That combined with removing the front flap made a big difference in temp. I can run Willow Springs, come off the track and put my hand on the side sill where the cat is without any smell of burning skin.
-S

without any smell of burning skin. Let's hope you never catch a cold, and can't smell!

plumcrazy said:

mine looked the same only worse....i got rid of the ROE insulation for the most part. i just dont like it. and it helped rot out my HF cats

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I never understood how an insulation kit could keep the cats cooler so that is why I never went with it. I always thought that it could catch as well. Glad I did not go with it. Thanks for the post Viperjon!

it does a good job of keeping it kool. and my silver sills never yellowed again after i installed it

Yeah Plum, that is what I heard but I never was too fond of installing something that looked like a blanket to help keep the temperature down. I guess it is just personal preference.

Last year I did a test to see if the Roe insulation helped with sill heat and reported the following:

Update: since nobody had a direct comparison between an exhaust with and without Roe insulation, I removed the insulation from one side and left the other side intact. (I know - I'm neurotic).

Both sides were cool immediately after aggressive driving. After 5 minutes the noninsulated side was 160 degrees and the insulated side was 130 degrees. After 15 minutes the noninsulated side had dropped to 140 degrees and the insulated side increased to 150 degrees. After 45 minutes the noninsulated side was 120 and the insulated was still 140 degrees. Bottom line: the noninsulated spiked a little higher/quicker and cooled quicker, and the insulated side had a slightly lower high temp but held the heat much longer.

and on a silver car, its enough to turn the sills yellow..

Good grief. My car is being work on right now anyhow... will have them remove this hazard tomorrow!

Thanks for the post and pics!

Jason

Here,s my fix for the side sill heat problem. This is JetHot 2000 on B&B headers, 3 in. stock cats, and Borla cat backs.

Jerry Scott...Those look like BELENGARS, NOT B&b HEADERS !!

Belengers are standard (rustable) steal, and B&B are stainless steal headers. (but the design is what gave it away, not the metal.

Jon

Quick question, is it o.k. to put cats on a carb'd car? Or is fuel injection generally needed as well? Would fuel injection make a bigger difference than cats?

These are the first stainless headers that B&B made, which were a copy of the Belengers. They are stainless.

Here they are before applying the coating.
Jerry

>>>Quick question, is it o.k. to put cats on a carb'd car? Or is fuel injection generally needed as well?<<<



In short: how do you want to adjust the amount of fuel exactly without injectors and the computer?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_injection

Fuel injection generally delivers a more accurate and equal mass of fuel to each cylinder of the engine than can a carburetor, thus improving the cylinder-to-cylinder distribution. Exhaust emissions are cleaner, not only because the more precise and accurate fuel metering reduces the concentration of toxic chemicals leaving the engine, but also because exhaust cleanup devices such as the catalytic converter can be optimized to operate much more efficiently given exhaust of precise and predictable composition.
Fuel injection generally increases engine efficiency. With the improved cylinder-to-cylinder fuel distribution provided by fuel injection, less fuel is needed for the same power output. When cylinder-to-cylinder distribution is less than ideal, as is always the case to some degree, some cylinders receive excess fuel as a side effect of ensuring that all cylinders receive sufficient fuel. Power output is asymmetrical with respect to air/fuel ratio; burning extra fuel in the rich cylinders does not reduce power nearly as quickly as burning too little fuel in the lean cylinders. However, rich-running cylinders are undesirable from the standpoint of exhaust emissions, fuel efficiency, engine wear, and engine oil contamination. Deviations from perfect air/fuel distribution, however subtle, affect the emissions, by not letting the combustion events be at the chemically ideal (stoichiometric) air/fuel ratio. Grosser distribution problems eventually begin to reduce efficiency, and the grossest distribution issues finally affect power. Increasingly poorer air/fuel distribution affects emissions, efficiency, and power, in that order. By optimizing the homogeneity of cylinder-to-cylinder mixture distribution, all the cylinders approach their maximum power potential and the engine's overall power output improves.
A fuel-injected engine often produces more power than an equivalent carbureted engine. Fuel injection alone does not necessarily increase an engine's maximum potential output, for increased airflow is needed to burn more fuel to generate more heat to generate more output. The combustion process converts the fuel's chemical energy into heat energy, whether the fuel is supplied by fuel injectors or a carburetor. However, airflow is often improved with fuel injection, the components of which allow more design freedom to improve the air's path into the engine. In contrast, a carburetor's mounting options are limited because it is larger, it must be carefully oriented with respect to gravity, and it must be equidistant from each of the engine's cylinders to the maximum practicable degree. These design constraints generally compromise airflow into the engine. Furthermore, a carburetor relies on a drag-inducing venturi to create a local air pressure difference, which forces the fuel into the air stream. The flow loss caused by the venturi, however, is small compared to other flow losses in the induction system. In a well-designed carburetor induction system, the venturi is not a significant airflow restriction. Aside from airflow considerations, fuel injection offers a more homogeneous air/fuel mixture due to better atomization of the fuel entering the cylinders.

plumcrazy said:

and on a silver car, its enough to turn the sills yellow..

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Hey Plum,
With raceyellow you wouldn't have that problem
and how would you cook deviled eggs

Dave

sorry to hear your problem. kind of annoying...glad all is fine. could of been worse

I just posted the following over on the SRT10 page and thought I would leave a copy on this site for those interested.

A1998

That thread is a bunch of BS!! I have instaled hundreds of the Roe Racing's insulation blankets over the last three years and NEVER had a problem with them!! It is made of ceramic. Yes if it gets soked with oil or something, then that will burn! GOT IT?

Jim go ahead and add it!
Wonder why Sean never responded to that thread

Sean didn't respond because no one ever contacted him about it!! I became somewhat concerned because I installed the blanket also last winter. I thought about calling Tator, then thought, why not ask the man himself. So last night I E-mailed Sean, and this is the response that I got!

Hi Jeff,
I need to get in touch with that owner. To my knowledge, he never contacted us about this.
The blanked is a ceramic refractory insulation.
It in itself is not flammable.
However, contaminants could be.
I saw a Viper light up a stock side sill many years ago at a Viper Days event (stock cats and stock insulation).
So, anything is possible.
I see no immediate need to remove it from your car.
I’ll see if I can get a sample of what was removed from the car and test it / get with the manufacturer.
Regards,
Sean

I couldn't believe no one took the time to inquire until now. Hope this helps.

JBaker / A1998

A1998 said:

I just posted the following over on the SRT10 page and thought I would leave a copy on this site for those interested.

A1998

That thread is a bunch of BS!! I have instaled hundreds of the Roe Racing's insulation blankets over the last three years and NEVER had a problem with them!! It is made of ceramic. Yes if it gets soked with oil or something, then that will burn! GOT IT?

Jim go ahead and add it!
Wonder why Sean never responded to that thread

Sean didn't respond because no one ever contacted him about it!! I became somewhat concerned because I installed the blanket also last winter. I thought about calling Tator, then thought, why not ask the man himself. So last night I E-mailed Sean, and this is the response that I got!

Hi Jeff,
I need to get in touch with that owner. To my knowledge, he never contacted us about this.
The blanked is a ceramic refractory insulation.
It in itself is not flammable.
However, contaminants could be.
I saw a Viper light up a stock side sill many years ago at a Viper Days event (stock cats and stock insulation).
So, anything is possible.
I see no immediate need to remove it from your car.
I’ll see if I can get a sample of what was removed from the car and test it / get with the manufacturer.
Regards,
Sean

I couldn't believe no one took the time to inquire until now. Hope this helps.

JBaker / A1998

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Boy, there's nothing like an edited quote post. Did you get what I said just like you wanted it to?

Had the roe, ran hotter even with high flow cats. PUlled it off and threw it away. Opened BOTH ends of sills, and with stock insulation, cool as a cucumber.

The important part is AIRFLOW!

Russ M said:

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If you are that environment conscious then you are driving the wrong car, and a hybrid of some sort should be your ideal machine.

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I agree.

I coated my cat's with a ceramic cloth called Nextel from 3M almost 2 years ago and it's held up well:

http://forums.viperclub.org/showthread.php?t=590801

If my car had cats removed, it would have emitted exactly the same amount of VOCs and Nox as if they had not been removed over the last 2 month period.

Cats are for daily drivers.

NASCAR doesn't run cats, nor does my lawn mower, **** eater, or the neighbor's bulldozer.

A1998 said:

I just posted the following over on the SRT10 page and thought I would leave a copy on this site for those interested.

A1998

That thread is a bunch of BS!! I have instaled hundreds of the Roe Racing's insulation blankets over the last three years and NEVER had a problem with them!! It is made of ceramic. Yes if it gets soked with oil or something, then that will burn! GOT IT?

Jim go ahead and add it!
Wonder why Sean never responded to that thread

Sean didn't respond because no one ever contacted him about it!! I became somewhat concerned because I installed the blanket also last winter. I thought about calling Tator, then thought, why not ask the man himself. So last night I E-mailed Sean, and this is the response that I got!

Hi Jeff,
I need to get in touch with that owner. To my knowledge, he never contacted us about this.
The blanked is a ceramic refractory insulation.
It in itself is not flammable.
However, contaminants could be.
I saw a Viper light up a stock side sill many years ago at a Viper Days event (stock cats and stock insulation).
So, anything is possible.
I see no immediate need to remove it from your car.
I’ll see if I can get a sample of what was removed from the car and test it / get with the manufacturer.
Regards,
Sean

I couldn't believe no one took the time to inquire until now. Hope this helps.

JBaker / A1998

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Jon was at my shop on Friday 8/31 and I pulled his side sill off and he had an exhaust leak on both sides!! That is what made the insulation smoke up, IT DID NOT CATCH ON FIRE!! When I install this insulation and fire up a Viper for the first time, you should see how much smoke comes out of the side sills untill the insulation cures, so when Jon's Viper developed an exhaust leak it brought that insulation [that had been in there for two years] up to a new temp, so it smoked a little more! That's all!

When you wrap the insulation on the pipes, wrap 3/4 of the pipe and leave a path for air flow at the bottom. Like I said before, I have installed hundreds of Roe's insulation blanket with NO problems!! I did talk to Sean about this thread and we both came to the same answer: This thread is BS!

Hey dave6666, how old are you?

Viper Wizard said:

Hey dave6666, how old are you?

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Chuck, thanks for asking. I am 13 years old. I was born addicted to crack because of my mother’s drug use. My alcoholic father beat me from birth, and I drink daily because of it.

I have since bought and paid off a nice house, have 3 nice vehicles paid for, including my Viper that I paid cash for.

Thank you for noticing all of this about me.