Dodge dealer said 2500 more Viper thats it
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big-n-italian
Enthusiast
sounds like a pushy was of saying - "what do i have to do to get you in a new viper today?"
(lets hope anyway)
(lets hope anyway)
Y2K5SRT
Enthusiast
I had heard the number was closer to 250 - or was it 25,000? Dang zeros...
Seriously, I wouldn't write the Viper off just yet and I certainly wouldn't write it with that dealer's pen. Sounds more like syringe to me.
Seriously, I wouldn't write the Viper off just yet and I certainly wouldn't write it with that dealer's pen. Sounds more like syringe to me.
Andrew/USPWR
Enthusiast
That's what I think when dealers say this crap. That's why they call them car salesmen.
Maybe when we start seeing top Dodge execs buying abunch. Then we'll worry.
ledfoot
Viper Owner
Put me in the Official ----Starting to worry camp--------Wall street journal----Yikes
ledfoot
Viper Owner
Look in the general viper forum
fastfang
Enthusiast
It is true, sad to say. 
Here is the article: http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSN1537175520071016?pageNumber=2 Newark Assembly is scheduled to close after the 2008 model year, so it might not be another four years with the viper.
Here is the article: http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSN1537175520071016?pageNumber=2 Newark Assembly is scheduled to close after the 2008 model year, so it might not be another four years with the viper.SylvanSRT
Enthusiast
i dont think they developed an entirely new motor for just 1-2 model years but you never know?
Fast Too
Enthusiast
Doesn't the VCA have enough influence with the SRT folks to ask them to just come clean on the future of the Viper?
dave6666
Enthusiast
All VIN #'s will now start ending with FE.
Andrew/USPWR
Enthusiast
That what I was thinking too. I think dodge will shot themselves in the foot if they cancel the Viper. IMO
But, just to be safe. Take care of the one you have.
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Originally Posted by SylvanSRT
i dont think they developed an entirely new motor for just 1-2 model years but you never know?
I think that's apples and oranges, "DC" may have put the $ into developing a new motor but Cerebus (the folks who bought "Dodge, Chrysler & Jeep" from MB) have already "written that expense off", so, it does not matter to Cerebus that the motor is made for 1 year only.
Unfortunately, at this point, they haven't "made" that motor for one year yet, no cars yet made, CAAP still closed.
It's rumor time again, will CAAP ever open again? Will any Viper be made? Will the raffle end up being a 'cash award' due to no 'prize' being available?
It would be VERY NICE to just be given the straight scoop on what the Viper future looks like exactly.
-J
Originally Posted by SylvanSRT
i dont think they developed an entirely new motor for just 1-2 model years but you never know?
That what I was thinking too. I think dodge will shot themselves in the foot if they cancel the Viper. IMO
But, just to be safe. Take care of the one you have.
I think that's apples and oranges, "DC" may have put the $ into developing a new motor but Cerebus (the folks who bought "Dodge, Chrysler & Jeep" from MB) have already "written that expense off", so, it does not matter to Cerebus that the motor is made for 1 year only.
Unfortunately, at this point, they haven't "made" that motor for one year yet, no cars yet made, CAAP still closed.
It's rumor time again, will CAAP ever open again? Will any Viper be made? Will the raffle end up being a 'cash award' due to no 'prize' being available?
It would be VERY NICE to just be given the straight scoop on what the Viper future looks like exactly.
-J
False. The article doesn't say when or anything about after the 2008 model year ... we already knew the CAAP is scheduled to close over the next 4 years, we just don't know when.It is true, sad to say.
AviP
Enthusiast
Probably about 2500 cars later.
That dealer doesn't know $quat. In fact, I would even question this thread, since it was posted only hours after the UAW news first appeared on the internet last night ... 2500 cars/one year? 5,000 cars/2years?
After only 12 prior posts, this thread seems a lot more like, "I'll say this, and see how people react"
After only 12 prior posts, this thread seems a lot more like, "I'll say this, and see how people react"
Asp Man
Enthusiast
The sky is falling, the sky is falling!
But, just to be safe. Those who've ordered '08s should probably double up and get two.
But, just to be safe. Those who've ordered '08s should probably double up and get two.
Jim Press ( formerly head of Toyota in the US ) also mentioned in a previous WSJ article that his former company sold appliances, whereas Chrysler is a compay that understood passion ignites buyers, like the Viper and the Challenger .
Who else better to make sure he gets the full impact of the intense feelings Viper owners have toward their cars and purchasing other Chrysler products , than through this medium with Viper Club.
If I remember correctly 80% of Viper owners own companies or control vehicle purchases of some kind. Additionally 60% of Viper owners also have Chrysler products in their garages, whereas most owners of exotics or semi exotics hold a tiny fraction of cars from the parent company's base.
I know after selling Vipers from our store since 1994, the number of customers that have assembled under the Chrysler banner is unprecedented. It is hard for me to even think of many buyers who do not have a corral full of Chrysler vehicles and it all started with the Snake.
It may be our job to continue to alert Dodge of the influence the owners of this marque car wield among their employees, friends, relatives, etc. in making personal decisions to buy from Chrysler.
My optimism is with the fact that many have witnessed the love of the Viper, at the many VOI functions, the VCA Zone Rendezvous's, Viper Days Events, etc. and Mr. Press and his associates want to keep the flame of loyalty and passion burning brightly. I contend that this Club , it's Officers, and members have the sworn duty to keep the powers that be at Chrysler intune with the wishes of a very influential few. I do know that when previous rumors have come up , and they have been numerous over the years, the key underlying comment that came forth is that if there was a discontinuation of the Viper , many current owners would begin a Lemming like mass exodus away from Chrysler. Never taken as an idle threat, the tie that binds for many is the Viper, and like so many companies who disregarded a small passionate group , sales became stagnant without their niche vehicle.
Mr. Press understands niche marketing , as the Scion line is a perfect example of finding an area that meets the needs that other companies may have not explored. To some extent , the SRT portion of Chrysler is that same niche buyer and some have even suggested it be broken into a seperate entity, since the buyers of these products are much more in tune with the specifics of the line, are a better educated and knowledgeable group, and tend to be an influence base for friends and acquaintances.
As a World presence is more in tune with future movement at Chrysler , the loss of the Viper is almost sancrosant, as it's impact in Marketing is phenomenal --- just ask our European and Japanese members how the Viper is perceived Worldwide. Going forward we have the Hemi name in America , worth billions in advertising cache alone, yet the Viper is a impact word/product everywhere on this Earth.
The logical view about the Plant, is even with the upgrades and revamping to bring the engine production under the same roof, it is a 1950s building and somewhat inefficient. This comment was echoed clear back in 2000 when I first visited Conner. Though there is no basis for a comment made by a fellow member, the light bulb went off like a 100 watts in my head ,when Saleen's name was dropped. How brilliant to take the 1500 cars or so built per year , have them done where the similar number of Ford GTs met their maker, and reduce the factory costs. Hopefully, they will retain many of the workers , as they are a true heart of the Snake also, and it is not unusual for many to continue with a cooperative effort between manufacturing partners.Heck, once the Plant is cranking Vipers out, it may be apparent that the inefficiencies have evaporated due to the upgrades and improvements -- that is a time constant factor which will only be analysed after the vehicles begin to move down the line.
Keep the Passion Alive, and make your comments known, but I for one tend to think this is just a glimpse of the entire Corportation and all areas need to be viewed. Somehow remembering that the first project the Germans approved when they took over Chrysler years back was the Viper , I would be stunned if fellow Americans would miss the impact the Snake has on the entire model line, as well as it's unprecedented marketing panache.
Respectfully Submitted,
Bill Pemberton
Who else better to make sure he gets the full impact of the intense feelings Viper owners have toward their cars and purchasing other Chrysler products , than through this medium with Viper Club.
If I remember correctly 80% of Viper owners own companies or control vehicle purchases of some kind. Additionally 60% of Viper owners also have Chrysler products in their garages, whereas most owners of exotics or semi exotics hold a tiny fraction of cars from the parent company's base.
I know after selling Vipers from our store since 1994, the number of customers that have assembled under the Chrysler banner is unprecedented. It is hard for me to even think of many buyers who do not have a corral full of Chrysler vehicles and it all started with the Snake.
It may be our job to continue to alert Dodge of the influence the owners of this marque car wield among their employees, friends, relatives, etc. in making personal decisions to buy from Chrysler.
My optimism is with the fact that many have witnessed the love of the Viper, at the many VOI functions, the VCA Zone Rendezvous's, Viper Days Events, etc. and Mr. Press and his associates want to keep the flame of loyalty and passion burning brightly. I contend that this Club , it's Officers, and members have the sworn duty to keep the powers that be at Chrysler intune with the wishes of a very influential few. I do know that when previous rumors have come up , and they have been numerous over the years, the key underlying comment that came forth is that if there was a discontinuation of the Viper , many current owners would begin a Lemming like mass exodus away from Chrysler. Never taken as an idle threat, the tie that binds for many is the Viper, and like so many companies who disregarded a small passionate group , sales became stagnant without their niche vehicle.
Mr. Press understands niche marketing , as the Scion line is a perfect example of finding an area that meets the needs that other companies may have not explored. To some extent , the SRT portion of Chrysler is that same niche buyer and some have even suggested it be broken into a seperate entity, since the buyers of these products are much more in tune with the specifics of the line, are a better educated and knowledgeable group, and tend to be an influence base for friends and acquaintances.
As a World presence is more in tune with future movement at Chrysler , the loss of the Viper is almost sancrosant, as it's impact in Marketing is phenomenal --- just ask our European and Japanese members how the Viper is perceived Worldwide. Going forward we have the Hemi name in America , worth billions in advertising cache alone, yet the Viper is a impact word/product everywhere on this Earth.
The logical view about the Plant, is even with the upgrades and revamping to bring the engine production under the same roof, it is a 1950s building and somewhat inefficient. This comment was echoed clear back in 2000 when I first visited Conner. Though there is no basis for a comment made by a fellow member, the light bulb went off like a 100 watts in my head ,when Saleen's name was dropped. How brilliant to take the 1500 cars or so built per year , have them done where the similar number of Ford GTs met their maker, and reduce the factory costs. Hopefully, they will retain many of the workers , as they are a true heart of the Snake also, and it is not unusual for many to continue with a cooperative effort between manufacturing partners.Heck, once the Plant is cranking Vipers out, it may be apparent that the inefficiencies have evaporated due to the upgrades and improvements -- that is a time constant factor which will only be analysed after the vehicles begin to move down the line.
Keep the Passion Alive, and make your comments known, but I for one tend to think this is just a glimpse of the entire Corportation and all areas need to be viewed. Somehow remembering that the first project the Germans approved when they took over Chrysler years back was the Viper , I would be stunned if fellow Americans would miss the impact the Snake has on the entire model line, as well as it's unprecedented marketing panache.
Respectfully Submitted,
Bill Pemberton
GTSjbud
Viper Owner
I would like to hear some comments/thoughts from Woodhouse and The Viper Wizard. They must know something.
ViperJay
Viper Owner
fastfang
Enthusiast
True. I did not say Conner Avenue, I said Newark Assembly. I work in Delaware and that has been the rumor the past couple of years now. Whether Chrysler really closes the plant, who knows? But NAP is scheduled to close after the 2008 model year.
TRAMP 13
Enthusiast
let wait and see what the dealers on this board has to say about not taking any orders for new viper,maybe they know more than we do.
GTSjbud
Viper Owner
Asp Man
Enthusiast
Maybe you should spend more time reading forums than working on the Viper!
Cobraken
Enthusiast
Public opinion & a write in campaign saved the Mustang. We as a club should figure out a good way to get our thoughts to Chrysler to save the Viper if it is in danger
Cop Magnet
Enthusiast
You are absolutely right.
The Viper was and always will be a marketing agent. It attracts people to the marque, most of whom can't buy one but are happy to buy a Magnum and be able to say "yeah, they make the Viper, too." Buy a nice car without a flagship in the lineup, and you are open to abuse by your car-figure-quoting car friends.
When the Viper came out, it attracted people to the showrooms. It helped sell Dakotas and minivans, and everything else. But a funny thing happened over the years. Dodge began building some really nice cars. People come to the dealership now because of the Jeep SRT's, the Chargers, and the 300's. These vehicles stand on their own two feet -- er, four wheels. My dealer doesn't even carry Vipers anymore. They'll order one for you, but there hasn't been one on the showroom floor for at least three years. And when I take my Viper in for service, they say the warranty work on their high-volume Jeeps and Chryslers take precedence. My car sits outside. So it is with Vipers being a non-prioroty not just locally, but at corporate headquarters.
The same way the Viper attracted people to the showroom floors, so it attracted the Cerebrus group. It said the company was still viable, had innovative skills, could tool up as needed, had active R&D. But now that the sale is closed, it would not suprise me if the new Viper was figuratively sitting outside while the dealers focused on their high-volume models.
Andrew/USPWR
Enthusiast
Thanks for your insight Bill Pemberton.
I agree, and would think some of these Big Wigs from Cerberus would get themselves an 08 Viper and show off to their friends an affordable 600hp American sports car their new company builds. And their rarer than those 360 & 430 Ferrari’s you see everywhere.
I agree, and would think some of these Big Wigs from Cerberus would get themselves an 08 Viper and show off to their friends an affordable 600hp American sports car their new company builds. And their rarer than those 360 & 430 Ferrari’s you see everywhere.
