New In The Box Paxton For Sale

Guys, i have a new never installed complete Paxton super charger system in the box. i bought it for my personal car, and i am not going to get around to installing it.
its a complete polished system for a 2000-2002 Viper.
i will take $6000 for it, so someone is going to make out big time on this!
here is a link to the system from Paxton:
Paxton Automotive - Supercharging Systems For The 2000-2002 Dodge Viper GTS
please call me or Pm me for any info you need.
thanks
gary
812-477-1740
812-453-4862

X-Metal said:

Guys, i have a new never installed complete Paxton super charger system in the box. i bought it for my personal car, and i am not going to get around to installing it.
its a complete polished system for a 2000-2002 Viper.
i will take $6000 for it, so someone is going to make out big time on this!
here is a link to the system from Paxton:
Paxton Automotive - Supercharging Systems For The 2000-2002 Dodge Viper GTS
please call me or Pm me for any info you need.
thanks
gary
812-477-1740
812-453-4862

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This wont fit a 1999 Viper?

yes it will

It should fit a 96 GTS - 02 GTS

plumcrazy said:

yes it will

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How come they dont show the 98 or 99 on Paxtons site?

yeah I agree that is strange. why would they list 2000-2002? Seems odd they would only appeal to the creampuff GTS cars if it worked on the forged piston motors also.

so the Paxton will make more HP but the Roe looks better and has more power in lower RPMS? I don't personally know anyone that has a Paxton on a Gen II but I rode in an SRT once with a Paxton and a Methanol injection tank, that was one scary ride! (26 lbs of boost)

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Probably the 00-02 Paxton is a 505rwhp system. The Paxton is like the Roe in that the hp is according to the pulley size. I have never seen a Paxton system of over 650rwhp here in BC. I have owned a 598rwhp (stock engine with stock headers) 8#
roe and my current 720rwhp 10# Roe.

I'd guess the Paxton for sale is 5# system?

The Roe 8# system on my 98 GTS had a water/**** system added to it.

Look at the dyno charts of a Roe and a Paxton. The Paxton takes awhile and a few thousand revs to build to extra hp. The Roe starts with extra hp. The Paxton peaks late and the Roe peaks early. A dyno's just a dyno. I don't think the two styles should be compared. The Paxton is like a belt driven turbo. The Roe is a positive displacement supercharger similar to a Top Fuel car, except designed to be tame enough to drive on the track and street. After the Roe becomes inefficient, you need race engine internals. I'd guess a 900hp Paxton is about the same as a 700hp Roe.

I'm hoping to meet Scott T. from Washington next summer as he told me that his 14# Roe system makes over 1,000rwhp and that's without his 300hp Nitrous System.How many 1,000+ Paxtons have you heard of? I know of 7 supercharged Vipers around here and I think my 720 is the highest hp (not including my Nitrous). I'm hoping there's more than I know of, but no one has ever mentioned them.

Ted

Not trying to ruin your sale. Paxton is the most popular sc. Woodhouse told me they warranty Paxton Blowers because they're easier on the engine.

Ted

i think the difference is the pulley size. i have one on my 97 that came with a 7# pulley and i made 650rwhp. im guessing the 00-02 came with a 5# pulley

I'm having some issues with some of these statements. Now if it was the Honda guy I saw at the car show that has 2000hp I would believe it

jpa99acr said:

I don't personally know anyone that has a Paxton on a Gen II but I rode in an SRT once with a Paxton and a Methanol injection tank, that was one scary ride! (26 lbs of boost)

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Ummm, 26 lbs out of a Paxton ? Not that Paxton doesn't make a blower big enough, but you would probably have to move the Radiator forward about a foot
Maybe someone can dispute me here.

RTTTTed said:

I'm hoping to meet Scott T. from Washington next summer as he told me that his 14# Roe system makes over 1,000rwhp and that's without his 300hp Nitrous System.How many 1,000+ Paxtons have you heard of? I know of 7 supercharged Vipers around here and I think my 720 is the highest hp (not including my Nitrous). I'm hoping there's more than I know of, but no one has ever mentioned them.

Ted

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Could you get Scott T to supply a dyno sheet or some time slips .... cause I hate to call BS without seeing more info. Really though, I figure 1000 is what...180 more than any other Roe (no nitrous) out there. Also, for 1000...I might need to see a dyno from more than one shop.
In most cases I would say that the Paxton can make more power....but is it quicker ?

RTTTTed said:

Not trying to ruin your sale. Paxton is the most popular sc. Woodhouse told me they warranty Paxton Blowers because they're easier on the engine.

Ted

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I wonder how many Paxtons there are out there ? I would think less gen2 Paxtons than Roe cars. I believe Roe has sold upwards of 300. Now add gen3 in and there may be more Paxtons. I also disagree with them being easier on an engine......any power adder can be ok or ******* an engine.


XMetal, nice price.....you should sell that with no problem. Nothing like a boosted car !!! (Well, maybe nitrous )

i call BS on a Roe making over 800hp, and i would LOVE to see it do it after only 1 pull on the dyno. the Roe has no intercooling provisions, and heat soaks like crazy. 650 is a safe max number when using a Roe. dyno a non intercooled supercharger and watch what happens after 2 pulls. the Roe is beautiful system, and it makes great power over a stock engine, but it is at its maxium with out being intercooled.
thats just the laws of physics.
Underground racing set the bar with paxtons when their car (sun ra cat) running 16psi was over 960hp! as far as Superchargers go, the Paxton doenst have any rivals.
this is an 8lb boost system. we always get 650 to 700hp when we do a Paxton, and thats only using 8lbs. the paxton is intercooled, so its no problem to run 8-12lbs of boost and still use pump gas. below is dyno run of a system we put on an 04 mamba with only 8lbs of boost. the car has our throttle body, and a complete B&B exhaust. i tuned it on 93 octane and it make over 720hp to the tires. this car was at the Mopar Nats this year in Ohio. the paxton Vipers build power so smooth, they are a blast to drive
Tony, you would like my SRT, its blown and has a 300 shot!

X-Metal said:

i call BS on a Roe making over 800hp, and i would LOVE to see it do it after only 1 pull on the dyno. the Roe has no intercooling provisions, and heat soaks like crazy. 650 is a safe max number when using a Roe. dyno a non intercooled supercharger and watch what happens after 2 pulls. the Roe is beautiful system, and it makes great power over a stock engine, but it is at its maxium with out being intercooled.
thats just the laws of physics.
Underground racing set the bar with paxtons when their car (sun ra cat) running 16psi was over 960hp! as far as Superchargers go, the Paxton doenst have any rivals.
this is an 8lb boost system. we always get 650 to 700hp when we do a Paxton, and thats only using 8lbs. the paxton is intercooled, so its no problem to run 8-12lbs of boost and still use pump gas. below is dyno run of a system we put on an 04 mamba with only 8lbs of boost. the car has our throttle body, and a complete B&B exhaust. i tuned it on 93 octane and it make over 720hp to the tires. this car was at the Mopar Nats this year in Ohio. the paxton Vipers build power so smooth, they are a blast to drive
Tony, you would like my SRT, its blown and has a 300 shot!

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What ??? You don't believe a 1000whp Roe car
Nice dyno....lets see one with the nitrous And the true test...what were the mph numbers ?
You are correct on your statement but the w/m is the intercooling for the Roe. I think there are a few built motors over 800whp with the Roe but it is the hp/tq curve that shine, not the peak numbers. I believe mine is/was in the upper 700 range no nitrous (based on mph...it's not a dyno queen) and it would be close to a max effort. Very good ported stock casting heads, 12.5psi and aggressive timing.

1TONY1 said:

What ??? You don't believe a 1000whp Roe car
Nice dyno....lets see one with the nitrous And the true test...what were the mph numbers ?
You are correct on your statement but the w/m is the intercooling for the Roe. I think there are a few built motors over 800whp with the Roe but it is the hp/tq curve that shine, not the peak numbers. I believe mine is/was in the upper 700 range no nitrous (based on mph...it's not a dyno queen) and it would be close to a max effort. Very good ported stock casting heads, 12.5psi and aggressive timing.

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btw, those are some kick ass times in your sig. congrats. i posted below the same dyno run with MPH, it was pulled in 4th gear.
i will try to get some runs pulled from testing my SRT Ram with the blower and juice here soon. its been little on the DL, until i get some track testing done with it.

1TONY1 said:

I'm having some issues with some of these statements. Now if it was the Honda guy I saw at the car show that has 2000hp I would believe it



Ummm, 26 lbs out of a Paxton ? Not that Paxton doesn't make a blower big enough, but you would probably have to move the Radiator forward about a foot
Maybe someone can dispute me here.



Could you get Scott T to supply a dyno sheet or some time slips .... cause I hate to call BS without seeing more info. Really though, I figure 1000 is what...180 more than any other Roe (no nitrous) out there. Also, for 1000...I might need to see a dyno from more than one shop.
In most cases I would say that the Paxton can make more power....but is it quicker ?



I wonder how many Paxtons there are out there ? I would think less gen2 Paxtons than Roe cars. I believe Roe has sold upwards of 300. Now add gen3 in and there may be more Paxtons. I also disagree with them being easier on an engine......any power adder can be ok or ******* an engine.


XMetal, nice price.....you should sell that with no problem. Nothing like a boosted car !!! (Well, maybe nitrous )

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My Roe did 720rwhp with 10# and stock heads. When I asked Scott how he made over 1,000 he said with a custom made crank pulley and 14#. He had a 300shot of Nitrous for inter-cooling. Maybe he can't find a 1,000hp+ dyno? Maybe he just doesn't car what dyno # it could show? However, I would expect that with an overbore, race engine and 40% more boost that what I run he should make a lot more hp than I do.

Since a Roe blower makes full torque at 2,000rpm it is harder on the engine than a Paxton that doesn't make peak torque until 3500-4500. I'm afraid I agree with Bill on that. I love my Roe system, but if I abused it the engine would not last as long as a Paxton. Big power at lower rpms is harder on the engine.

However, I raced a new Z06 from a 50mph roll, no contest. The I tried him from idle, in fourth gear at 50mph while he was in second gear. It actually looked like we were racing because I had no trouble keeping up to him. That's a much better Torque test than a dyno. Besides, I had to do something so he had a chance? Maybe 5th gear at under 2,000rpm he could have pulled ahead a couple feet before I left?

At our Revelstoke Rally there were 7 supercharged cars out of 13. 6 were Paxtons, I was the only one with a Roe.

Ted

wow 1000+ rwhp ROE? he must have a twin tornado intake system on that thing as well

RTTTTed said:

Since a Roe blower makes full torque at 2,000rpm it is harder on the engine than a Paxton that doesn't make peak torque until 3500-4500. I'm afraid I agree with Bill on that. I love my Roe system, but if I abused it the engine would not last as long as a Paxton. Big power at lower rpms is harder on the engine.


Ted

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I have well over 10K Roe S/C miles on my car, 43K miles total. The last 10 or so were do making about 25 passes at my local 1/4 raceway. I beat the he!! out of my car and she just keeps going and going. Stock block, stock heads. Now she may fail in the future, but hopefully it will be well after the December Bradenton race

RTTTTed said:

My Roe did 720rwhp with 10# and stock heads. When I asked Scott how he made over 1,000 he said with a custom made crank pulley and 14#. He had a 300shot of Nitrous for inter-cooling. Maybe he can't find a 1,000hp+ dyno? Maybe he just doesn't car what dyno # it could show? However, I would expect that with an overbore, race engine and 40% more boost that what I run he should make a lot more hp than I do.

Ted

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Are you now saying he was using the nitrous for the 1000+ ?

X-Metal said:

btw, those are some kick ass times in your sig. congrats. i posted below the same dyno run with MPH, it was pulled in 4th gear.

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Actually, I meant mph in the 1/4 mile

The paxton only flows ~1000cfm. to get 25psi on a 488cid motor, you would need to have a smaller-than-stock set of heads to create that much backpressure. I made 965rwhp on 15psi (the blower couldn't put out any more air than that!) with stage-3 ported heads and all the starts lined up. oh, and i did it on more than one dyno. .

But seriously, a paxton is harder on an engine than a ROE b/c it a) takes more power to spin the blowe (by a factor of 2) and b) it puts a torsional force on the crank leading to many a car snapping the snout off of the very weak viper crank. Some cars faster than others.

so over 1000rwhp blower only... you need to be a super-tuner!

JD

1TONY1 said:

I'm having some issues with some of these statements. Now if it was the Honda guy I saw at the car show that has 2000hp I would believe it



Ummm, 26 lbs out of a Paxton ? Not that Paxton doesn't make a blower big enough, but you would probably have to move the Radiator forward about a foot
Maybe someone can dispute me here.



Could you get Scott T to supply a dyno sheet or some time slips .... cause I hate to call BS without seeing more info. Really though, I figure 1000 is what...180 more than any other Roe (no nitrous) out there. Also, for 1000...I might need to see a dyno from more than one shop.
In most cases I would say that the Paxton can make more power....but is it quicker ?



I wonder how many Paxtons there are out there ? I would think less gen2 Paxtons than Roe cars. I believe Roe has sold upwards of 300. Now add gen3 in and there may be more Paxtons. I also disagree with them being easier on an engine......any power adder can be ok or ******* an engine.


XMetal, nice price.....you should sell that with no problem. Nothing like a boosted car !!! (Well, maybe nitrous )

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Joseph Dell said:

b) it puts a torsional force on the crank leading to many a car snapping the snout off of the very weak viper crank. Some cars faster than others.

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i know the faster route as YOU know more than anyone else. but can you get into why more force on the crank than the roe. aren't they BOTH working off a pulley bolted to it ?

Joseph, Imagine that ? a question i DID NOT ask you....lol

plumcrazy said:

i know the faster route as YOU know more than anyone else. but can you get into why more force on the crank than the roe. aren't they BOTH working off a pulley bolted to it ?

Joseph, Imagine that ? a question i DID NOT ask you....lol

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Stock pulley is in the stock position with the ROE. ROE runs off of the stock pulley driving an almost-stock 7-rib belt. Now picture adding 100ft-lb of TQ in the UP direction to a 4" extension out of the crank... that is what a paxton is doing. sometimes more... sometimes less. now imagine you are that little-bitty 1"x3" crank snout with all that extra force pulling UP. you'd break too sometimes!

JD

Joseph Dell said:

Stock pulley is in the stock position with the ROE. ROE runs off of the stock pulley driving an almost-stock 7-rib belt. Now picture adding 100ft-lb of TQ in the UP direction to a 4" extension out of the crank... that is what a paxton is doing. sometimes more... sometimes less. now imagine you are that little-bitty 1"x3" crank snout with all that extra force pulling UP. you'd break too sometimes!

JD

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So running a paxton blowers harms the crankshaft causing it to prematurely wear?

Not necessarily, but over time, it isn't uncommon for a paxton car to have its snout snap off of the crank. and in a recent case, a snout snapped even before the car ever had any load on it.

JD

I am a friend of Scott and I know that he has a Paxton on his car ('97 blue/white RT/10). You may be confusing him with Bud (also a friend) who has a Roe, nitrous and a whole bunch of other stuff on his '96 GTS. I haven't seen dyno sheets on either one but I don't think they have close to 1000 hp at the wheels unless they have done some things since I last talked to them.

Bob K

Joseph, thanx again !

easy as pie...

Joseph Dell said:

Not necessarily, but over time, it isn't uncommon for a paxton car to have its snout snap off of the crank. and in a recent case, a snout snapped even before the car ever had any load on it.

JD

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What can you do to prevent this on a Paxron? I read posts of people that have 20k hard miles on a Paxton?

be carefull to NOT tighten the belt too much id think

viperpilot99 said:

What can you do to prevent this on a Paxron? I read posts of people that have 20k hard miles on a Paxton?

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sir, i personally have installed over 75 paxtons-not to mention how many we have done on Mustangs and camaros, and vettes.

if you start running over 18 plus lbs og boost, then you might consinder the limitations of a stock crank. --how many people running more than 16 on a viper??? very very few. just like a $250,000 prostock engine, **** can happen if you push the envelope.

do a search on how many broken crank snouts are out there-then narrow that search to JUST how many of them were done only running the normal Paxton setup of 8psi, and you wont find any, that were installed properly.

you have a better chance of hitting the lottery, than breaking a crank snout on a paxton running the normal out of the box configuration.

like i posted in the dyno run earlier, you can hit over 720 rear wheel horsepower only using 8lbs of boost-and thats the way paxton configures them for a Viper.

i have several vipers and viper trucks that have banged OVER 20,000 plus miles, and hard ones, with drag race weekends thrown in there, all running a Paxton and the owners are loving it.
like any perfomance mod, excercise care and sensiblity when installing it, and or have a qaulified tuner do the work for you. its not splitting atoms, its an engine.

Paxton/Vortech are ISO certified, and the OEM's, Ford, GM, Chrysler all use them for prototype work, and that says a lot about the engineering and capabilities of them as a company.

the cool thing about a Paxton, is it doenst really stress the engine all the time, under normal driving conditons, nothing is happening.

being a centrifugal blower its a essentially a belt driven turbo. it uses a step up gear box to spin the blower faster than the crank speed. that gear mulitplication is easier for the crank to spin the blower, and a centrifugal blower is rpm based, meaning it only created boost as the rpms rise, so you can drive you Viper around all day like normal, and never build boost. keep it under 3000 rpms, and everything is the same as before, stab it, and then hold on!

not that it matters much, but Paxton owners report even getting better fuel mileage when they purposely moniter and drive normal.

X-Metal said:

sir, i personally have installed over 75 paxtons-not to mention how many we have done on Mustangs and camaros, and vettes.

if you start running over 18 plus lbs og boost, then you might consinder the limitations of a stock crank. --how many people running more than 16 on a viper??? very very few. just like a $250,000 prostock engine, **** can happen if you push the envelope.

do a search on how many broken crank snouts are out there-then narrow that search to JUST how many of them were done only running the normal Paxton setup of 8psi, and you wont find any, that were installed properly.

you have a better chance of hitting the lottery, than breaking a crank snout on a paxton running the normal out of the box configuration.

like i posted in the dyno run earlier, you can hit over 720 rear wheel horsepower only using 8lbs of boost-and thats the way paxton configures them for a Viper.

i have several vipers and viper trucks that have banged OVER 20,000 plus miles, and hard ones, with drag race weekends thrown in there, all running a Paxton and the owners are loving it.
like any perfomance mod, excercise care and sensiblity when installing it, and or have a qaulified tuner do the work for you. its not splitting atoms, its an engine.

Paxton/Vortech are ISO certified, and the OEM's, Ford, GM, Chrysler all use them for prototype work, and that says a lot about the engineering and capabilities of them as a company.

the cool thing about a Paxton, is it doenst really stress the engine all the time, under normal driving conditons, nothing is happening.

being a centrifugal blower its a essentially a belt driven turbo. it uses a step up gear box to spin the blower faster than the crank speed. that gear mulitplication is easier for the crank to spin the blower, and a centrifugal blower is rpm based, meaning it only created boost as the rpms rise, so you can drive you Viper around all day like normal, and never build boost. keep it under 3000 rpms, and everything is the same as before, stab it, and then hold on!

not that it matters much, but Paxton owners report even getting better fuel mileage when they purposely moniter and drive normal.

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That's a shame. My car is coming back from Underground soon with over 900 to the wheels. That's how Underground Racing configures a paxton for the Vipers . But for the record, I will be running an AEM, fully built fuel system features the 3 in tank Garth Weaver pump setup, **** inj, and some stage 3 cnc'd JM heads.