dgt1031
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I know it all depends on what you pay for the new car, but what is the "buy up" cost you guys are paying when going from the 06 vert to the 08vert?
2006 Trade Ins for an 08
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rcl4668
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I did not trade in my 2006 vert for my 2006 vert. My local dealer gave me a the same deal on both cars so in the end I ended paying about the same for the 2008 as I did for the 2006.
/Rich
/Rich
DodgeViper01
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Roughly I would say for a $80,000 2008, you are looking at a $30,000+/- (give or take a few thousand) difference without taxes.
CitySnake
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Keith,
$80,000 is dealer cost without any options.
99 R/T 10
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Rich, can you give a short description of the differences of the two cars? Does the 08 handle better? We all know about the power increase(which is very nice
), but does it handle any better? Brake any better?Lee00blacksilverGTS
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You are so far off on both ends of the deal that it's not even worth discussing. Just flat wrong. Anybody that uses you as an authority needs to know that you are not in the car business and and that you are only guessing at prices.
Rich, can you give a short description of the differences of the two cars? Does the 08 handle better? We all know about the power increase(which is very nice
1. The suspension on the non ACR 08 is the same as the GEN III with slightly different suspension tuning to adjust for the PS2's instead of the run flats. The PS2's give a much better ride. The run flats really are crap. The side walls are so firm that I constantly felt knocked around if I went over any kind of uneven surface. The Viper specific PS2's are great!
2. The brakes on the non ACR 08 are the same as those on the Gen III cars.
3. The new differential allows for better handling/traction under certain track cornering conditions.
4. The new transmission is hardier and shifts much better than the Gen III but is a bit noisier both with respect to neutral gear rattle and otherwise.
5. The difference between a stock Gen II and an 08 is even greater since, in my opinion, the stock brakes on the Gen II cars were not up to par.
99 R/T 10
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Thanks for the input Bob
adamlotus
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handleing is night and day diffrence from the 06.brakes are the same.Rich, can you give a short description of the differences of the two cars? Does the 08 handle better? We all know about the power increase(which is very nice
jdavis
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Would you say that the difference is largely due to the change to the softer rubber of the PS2s?
Wasn't the cabin heat issue addressed in the '08 by a change in the exhaust system that also change the exhaust note?
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adamlotus
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if its just the tires than it made the whole car ride diffrently than the 06 but it does not feel like anything like my 06 did.cabin heat is less and also eng oil temp,and engine temp are 20 degrees cooler than my 06,just overall a better built car,im just loving it
Quick answer on the tires ----------only part of the equation for ride and handling. The Snake Engineers went to great extremes to modify the suspension to make it more sutle, better steering input, less wandering, etc. . The results are fantastic and the tires are part of the entire picture. Think tuned suspension , with tires designed for such ( the new PS2 is Viper specific and different than the ones available prior ).
Les Quam
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The 08s don't have the cabin temp issue any longer. Handling is greatly improved. Trans is huge difference and extra power is great.
Bob;
When you mean improved, what are you talking about? The things I dis-like about my factory 06' Coupe set-up are that it is about 1 inch to 1.5 inches too high all around, but more so, it is so damn bouncy. Too stiff at times and at times it feels just right (at 80+ mph). We have all concrete roads in this part of Colorado and it just hops along like a rabbit. It is almost sickening. Does the change to PS2s take that hop out?
Do the change to Motons mostly take that hop out, BUT leave a comfortable boulevard cruiser type of ride IF set up as such. I don't want to go Motons and then feel ever single vibration and crack in the road. I am not a track guy. Moton's can be set up to provide a softer ride, if that is desired, correct?
Despite what people think, I took the advise of many on this board with the upgraded engine and tranny mounts and stand by my experience that it was the absolutle worse mod ever, for someone who wants a comfortable ride and does not track their car. If Motons are just for making it stiff as a board, then obviously they are not for me. However I have to get the hop out of my suspension for normal driving. I have seriously considered Motons, but need to understand the advice people are giving, Street or Track?
Curious what you mean by improved? I need to ride with someone with an 08' to see what the set-up is like. Maybe it is just the roads and that is all there is to it?
When you mean improved, what are you talking about? The things I dis-like about my factory 06' Coupe set-up are that it is about 1 inch to 1.5 inches too high all around, but more so, it is so damn bouncy. Too stiff at times and at times it feels just right (at 80+ mph). We have all concrete roads in this part of Colorado and it just hops along like a rabbit. It is almost sickening. Does the change to PS2s take that hop out?
Do the change to Motons mostly take that hop out, BUT leave a comfortable boulevard cruiser type of ride IF set up as such. I don't want to go Motons and then feel ever single vibration and crack in the road. I am not a track guy. Moton's can be set up to provide a softer ride, if that is desired, correct?
Despite what people think, I took the advise of many on this board with the upgraded engine and tranny mounts and stand by my experience that it was the absolutle worse mod ever, for someone who wants a comfortable ride and does not track their car. If Motons are just for making it stiff as a board, then obviously they are not for me. However I have to get the hop out of my suspension for normal driving. I have seriously considered Motons, but need to understand the advice people are giving, Street or Track?
Curious what you mean by improved? I need to ride with someone with an 08' to see what the set-up is like. Maybe it is just the roads and that is all there is to it?
rcl4668
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Belatedly, I agree with most of the comments about the difference between 2003-2006 Vipers and the 2008. Cabin hear issue is much improved although if you do a fair amount of wide open throttle runs you do feel some warmth creep into the cabin but nowhere near as hot as my 2006. Let me put it this way: I actually have had to use the heater in my 2008 whereas in my 2006 I would keep everything on the coldest setting and just wait for the car to cook me after extended driving.
/Rich
/Rich
adamlotus
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i would get the ps2 tires and go from there that would make a huge diffrence.you need to drive the 08 and see what all the talk is about.
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Actually you need to drive a GEN3 with Motons and PS2's (or Cups) to see that the 08 ride and handling improvement is mainly due to the tires. A GEN3 with Motons will out handle a stock GEN4, and be similar to the ACR, since Chrysler decided to go the cheap route and us KW's on the ACR.
Smog Dog
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Lee--I don't know what others have paid, but Keith is not too far off on the 30,000 plus or minus price difference. If I hadn't ordered the stripes, he was right on the money.
Socrates
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I just traded my 06' Blue/White FE Coupe (with 4500 miles) for an 08' SSG/Black Vert this evening. The difference was an even $30,000, speaking of which. The SSG stickered at $93,***, so all in all, I think it was a fair deal (especially factoring in the tax savings of trading).
Hi. It does not sound like you need Motons and Eibachs. Try the PS2's first. They will take some of the harshness out of hitting the cross grooves in the concrete roads. Talk to Mark Jorgensen at Woodhouse about it. To optimize the use of the PS2's on a Gen III, according to one of our SRT engineering chats, certain suspension adjustements have to be made. The engine mounts are for people that want to shift in a spirited manner. The harder the mounts, the less engine movement vis a vie the tranny. The trade off is a bit more vibration transmitted through the drivetrain. The sound path changes. It does not seem like you needed the mounts from your described usage. If you have not done so, you should change back to regular mounts. I do not think that there is any way, short of a radical change in suspension, to get a comfortable, soft boulevard type ride out of a Viper. It's not what the car is about. But the PS2's will help. My wife noticed the difference immediately. Good luck!
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adamlotus
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please post pics of your new ssg
Thanks Bob;
I will shoot for the Viper Specific PS2s later in the year as a start. I don't mean to say that I want a Lincoln Town car type of slushy ride, because I don't, but I do want to take some of the harshness out. The hop needs to come out for sure and the ride softened like one notch, for my personal style and if I ever want to get my wife in it for some of the long cruises we do with the club here in Colorado. Just getting old I guess. The years of driving slammed trucks and race car type suspensions in all my cars, have just beaten me up too much.
PS I did take the mounts out after about 4 hours and the car went back to normal. They were just not for me.
I will shoot for the Viper Specific PS2s later in the year as a start. I don't mean to say that I want a Lincoln Town car type of slushy ride, because I don't, but I do want to take some of the harshness out. The hop needs to come out for sure and the ride softened like one notch, for my personal style and if I ever want to get my wife in it for some of the long cruises we do with the club here in Colorado. Just getting old I guess. The years of driving slammed trucks and race car type suspensions in all my cars, have just beaten me up too much.
PS I did take the mounts out after about 4 hours and the car went back to normal. They were just not for me.
Just getting old I guess. The years of driving slammed trucks and race car type suspensions in all my cars, have just beaten me up too much.
I know what that's about. It's a dark little secret that driving in a spirited manner over many years can contribute to the appearance of osteoarthritis in the driver's joints. But, with that said, we may be getting older but, like a fine wine, we are getting better! Cheers!
I know what that's about. It's a dark little secret that driving in a spirited manner over many years can contribute to the appearance of osteoarthritis in the driver's joints. But, with that said, we may be getting older but, like a fine wine, we are getting better! Cheers!
DodgeViper01
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DodgeViper01
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...but quite a few have so I must be doing something right or maybe I am just very lucky at guessing.
