Disturbed
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No way his car was stock. The mph tells me everything I need to know. The car makes approx 505bhp....not 505rwhp!
Evan Smith sets ET and MPH record for stock domestic cars in 2008 Viper Roadster
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No way his car was stock. The mph tells me everything I need to know. The car makes approx 505bhp....not 505rwhp!
Jamie (Furman)knows the guy the car was stock BUT the tires were drag radials good for 2-3 tenths off the ET.
SnakeBitten
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I cant help thinking that if some are going to question Jamies integrity on the Z06 10 sec runs then they should question his 11.7 @ 120 run way back when in a bonestock Viper "roadster" when most were doing 12.2-12.5 @ 116-118mph. You know you aint gonna question that Viper run. Teh man can drive.
edit: fixed to roadster. Thought it was a GTS.
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Gods honest truth i was at the track the day Smith ran the 11.7 in the bone stock Gen 2 roadster.I also have seen Jamie run many times.One year at the nats his blown gts (575 to the tire )was running 10s on stock pilots in 90 degree weather.No BS the man drives at a professional level every bit as well as NHRA record holders Evan Smith and Ken Miele.You can tell a pro easily.Smith for example never ONCE drove my 08 on the street .The first time behind the wheel in 90 degree heat he ran 11.45 the second time he ran a flat 11.4.There was no third since he knew in those weather conditions car would in no way run10s,(why beat on it )
jamie furman
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I cant help thinking that if some are going to question Jamies integrity on the Z06 10 sec runs then they should question his 11.7 @ 120 run way back when in a bonestock Viper "roadster" when most were doing 12.2-12.5 @ 116-118mph. You know you aint gonna question that Viper run. Teh man can drive.
edit: fixed to roadster. Thought it was a GTS.
I appreciate that!, but actually it was an 11.61 at 123 bone stock at a Maryland, Virginia VCA event at MIR and many of the guys on this board can attest to it as they were there, and the car only had 250 miles on it to boot. That same day the car with drag radials ran 11.41 and everyone was shocked to say the least but the car was there for anyones inspection like all my cars at all times. A few years later I had an ACR and it turned the best et I have ever ran in a bonestock viper and it was an 11.59 at 123.
SnakeBitten
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Ok you are sick
End of discussion.Cant wait for your ACR numbers at teh track. Im gonna predict 10.7 @ 132mph. Dont let some of these guys get to ya.
FikseGTS
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maybe if he takes the rear wing off.... it makes a big difference, I've seen a 3-4 MPH trap increase after taking off a GT2 wing from the back of Gen II ACR at the drag strip....
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That and probably the stickier tires on the ACR help it get a better 60' Im thinking.
I believe ,in the quarter mile ( providing like Fikse posted )the rear wing is removed the true factors involved in getting a stock car (tires included )into the tens will be driver ,weather and track not really the model of Viper chosen .
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Thats true. Maybe Jamie, Evan etc can do a run with and without spoiler on or just run an ACR then run a regular coupe and be done with it. That way we can have legitimate and best times for both versions of the Viper.
kwiksilver
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why not adjust the wing to a neutral position, with the better tires and a little less weight the acr should be faster than it's siblings. 
ivanrho
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I don't know about that. When I was racing back then, we used to take off everything we could; that included the front sway bar, front air box, passenger seat and spare tire. We'd also fold in the mirrors(more of a psychological advantage) and drop down the tire pressure to about 19#s and even ice down the manifold. If you're going to run in Stock class in competition, or trying to beat your best time, they're so many ways to do so.
In my '96 GTS, I ran a best of 12.05 at 118mph, and that was bone stock. At Moroso in West Palm. In that run, I didn't do any of the above except drop the tire pressure down to about 18#s hot. Oh, I did change out the air filters to K&N.
Basically if someone is going for a published record on a totally stock production car NOTHING can be added or removed in order to make the car quicker(100% totally as is from the factory.)The above would include removing things like passenger seats, air conditioning,sway bars , spare tires ,jacks ect(If an ACR wing is installed from the factory it has to stay there.)or adding K&N Filters.However folding in the mirrors ,playing with tire pressures ,icing down the manifold is fine .ALL of the above issues go back to the origional premise as to what exactly is considered stock (everyones defination is different,inturn people CLAIM a car is stock and it isnot.)
Above great points .Cant tell you how many times someone will claim their car is stock -only to find out the sway bar removed (that is an obvious thing,sneaky things like reflashes ect are easy to hide.)
jamie furman
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I am with Joe I don't consider it stock when you start taking parts off, if there is an option offered on other models of the same car like the old ACR got K&N's and the regular cars didn't so if you put K&N's in a non ACR I would still consider it stock personally. That being said, I have been wondering if the wing would matter or not? I used to have one of the 100 1998 GT2 Vipers with the wing and it ran the same times as my regular vipers but the wing was a little smaller than the new car. If the car can't go 10's with the wing, I might consider trying it with it off and see what happens?, but I don't think the wing will hurt it much in a 1/4 mile run. I would try adjusting it before taking it off though as I feel once the wing comes off you wouldn't be driving a stock ACR, I guess someone could make a case for the car being bone stock as far as the drive train as the wing doesn't make any hp and it would definately show the potential of the non ACR viper. But me personally I want to go 10's in as delivered condition like I did in my Z06.
Lee00blacksilverGTS
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Jaime...The SRT Engineers are on record as saying the new ACR will actually run a few tenths faster than a regular SRT10 BECAUSE of the Areo. I know you love hearing that!
LEE YOUR ACR IS FASTER, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?
I FOR ONE AM VERY FRUSTRATED HEARING THIS FROM
YOU, IS EVERYONE FOLDING JUST THINKING JAMIE WILL
BREAK 10'S FIRST.
MANY OTHERS CAN DO THE SAME THING
As a response to the above, if many others can do the same thing (break 10s )how come (especially with the cars being out for a year now )no one has done it yet.All in all its going to take a driver of professional level skill helped out by the correct track and probably 40 degree or less temps.To me (at least )Furman offers the best chance (propably better than Smith )because he fits all the above critera and will actually have alot of actual Viper wheel time coming from owning a Viper.LEE YOUR ACR IS FASTER, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?
I FOR ONE AM VERY FRUSTRATED HEARING THIS FROM
YOU, IS EVERYONE FOLDING JUST THINKING JAMIE WILL
BREAK 10'S FIRST.
MANY OTHERS CAN DO THE SAME THING
Grant
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Drag racing isn't rocket science. I'm sure its hard to run really fast really consistently, but as far as making one great run, I can't see it being that hard if you can make dozens of attempts. Most people really don't care how fast their car runs stock, and so generally just show up at a test and tune once or twice.
Also, the grip level of many (most?) tracks *****. The ones I've run at were all worse than the street. I'm going to try to run 10s in my ACR, but with my Racelogic, not at a drag strip. At local strips, the grip level is unpredictable, the walls are close by, and the workers have a knack for not noticing or cleaning up all fluid spills (unlike a street surface, when fluid spills on a polished drag strip the grip drops to nothing).
jamie furman
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I would like to believe that, but it seems far fetched to me as the tenths you really need are going to be in the first 60' and I don't see how the wing can help that. I said I think I will do it and I do, but the facts are that doesn't make it true! I am going to need good air and good traction and of course a clean pass and will keep my fingers crossed. If the car really is a lot faster than the Z06 it will happen and if its not it may not.
SilveRT8
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I'm adding Break-in miles, 900 so far, to my new 08 Vert and with good Quebec air soon to be in the 40-50F, I will sure give it a try to see what my totally stock times will be. I'm no pro driver and never drove a Viper before but I've got more than 150 passes down the 1/4 mile with my N/A Jeep SRT8 wich did 12.16 so far. Good or lousy? I'm anxious to try it, and will report the outcome of what a 'Joe Average' can do.
Claude
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Grant over the year the car has been out there HAVE been many many times (thru the various VCA Club events ect at private track rentals) that 08s have been run over and over again down the quarter mile and not one 10 second pass.? Grant there are SLIGHT differences between obtaining a 10 second pass on a Race Logic and at Santioned Track namely timing accuracy and most of all a way to authenticate the road surface your running on is LEVEL.
A few tenths in the quarter mile -highly,highly doubtful .In a quarter mile race a few tenths boarders on 3 full car lengths difference between the two (same day ,same track same driver.)If Smith was able to run an 11.3 in 75 degree weather in a roadster accordingly that would translate to a 10 second pass in an ACR on that particular day.Once again highly doubtful.
1TONY1
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Anyone in Florida want to bring an 08 to the Viper race in Bradenton/December. The track should be well prepped and I have seen 300' below sea level there.
With any "stock" car you have to have bit of faith or know the owner for it to be believable. I would not rate Evans passes in this car any more "on the up and up" as many other cars passes. Magazine verified means squat as far as saying it is above other attempts.
Someone mentioned alignment (front AND rear)....hard to check and is that stock or not ??
With any "stock" car you have to have bit of faith or know the owner for it to be believable. I would not rate Evans passes in this car any more "on the up and up" as many other cars passes. Magazine verified means squat as far as saying it is above other attempts.
Someone mentioned alignment (front AND rear)....hard to check and is that stock or not ??
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It may not be rocket science but the average Joe aint gonna touch the times and mph an experienced 1/4 miler period. Thats why the experienced guys have the best chance of getting an 08 in the 10's. 1/4 miling is more than just banging gears and mashing the gas. If it was simple we would have many 10's already as 1bad mentioned.
As for track prep E-town has some of the best track prep and would be better than regular street. As mentioned it will take a combination of track, weather, car and driver to make this happen. That alone tells you it will be difficult for anyone much less Joe average to accomplish a 10 sec pass in an 08. We all know the car is capable of it as quite a few owners have gotten 129mph, which is 10 sec territory. Good luck with the Racelogic but not many will recognize that as official.
In accordinance with the following i guess the published record Evan Smith set in the GEN 2 Roadster(as well as his numerious other production car records) mean squat as well.As mentioned previously MANY people including site sponser Daren Buhler and ex VCA NAT PRES Joe Houss personally know my car and inturn will verify the car is totally stock.You are more than welcome to give them a call to verify all of the above.Anyone in Florida want to bring an 08 to the Viper race in Bradenton/December. The track should be well prepped and I have seen 300' below sea level there.
With any "stock" car you have to have bit of faith or know the owner for it to be believable. I would not rate Evans passes in this car any more "on the up and up" as many other cars passes. Magazine verified means squat as far as saying it is above other attempts.
Someone mentioned alignment (front AND rear)....hard to check and is that stock or not ??
