Where is this oil coming from

MTGTS · Oct 15, 2009

So I was under my car a little bit ago and I was RTV'ing all my oil pan bolts cause I have a small leak and figured that was the problem. I do think that was part of my problem but I noticed some oil build up higher than the oil pan. Gravity tells me it isn't leaking from just there.

1st pic is looking up right next to the oil filter. Those are NOT the oil cooler lines they are the PS lines I'm guessing. I have already had my oil cooler lines replaced and they don't seem to be leaking @ all.

2nd pic is looking up front in front of the crank pulley. The middle of it looks to be dry. But the bottom of the rad. hose has oil on it as you can see.

Any suggestions would be helpful, I have a maxcare warranty on my car but not the greatest of dealerships around. So if/when I take it in I'd like to be able to tell them exactly what's wrong so they don't start doing a bunch of stupid crap.

Thanks!

mjorgensen Woodhouse · Oct 15, 2009

Was there any oil on the top of the filter housing? Airflow can get oil a lot of places. The best bet is to clean it all off and then look for the source.

Steve-Indy · Oct 15, 2009

Check your timing cover for crack or early gasket failure... and try re-torque of valve cover bolts.

MTGTS · Oct 15, 2009

mjorgensen said:
Was there any oil on the top of the filter housing? Airflow can get oil a lot of places. The best bet is to clean it all off and then look for the source.

There was oil on the filter. I have swapped filters and resealed twice now to rule that out. This was my first thought a couple weeks ago as I kept researching I went on to the oil pan bolts but this is to high for that I believe. The filter is being leaked onto and not causing he leak. Seems to be concentrated under the PS lines.

1TONY1 · Oct 15, 2009

Any oil in the valley under the intake ? I have seen a cover leak put oil on top or the engine too. Like Mark said, it can move to weird places.

GTS Dean · Oct 15, 2009

The year matters. It could be PCV/valve cover/airbox drool on '96-'97 models. Like others have said - it could also be timing gasket or cover leakage as well.

ViperTuner · Oct 15, 2009

Go down to your local CARQUEST/NAPA/AUTOZONE etc... get yourself an oil leak dye kit... Pour in the little bottle.. put on the fancy yellow glasses...and shine the UV light on the wet areas and follow the trail. Make sure you start off looking for it on the jack stands while idling then move to running it up the road and back for a minute or so until the dye starts to appear. Keep checking until you can find it... Its better than just tearing it down to a bare block and buying a new gasket kit or wasting your time making changes that don't work...

Howard

MTGTS · Oct 15, 2009

GTS Dean said:
The year matters. It could be PCV/valve cover/airbox drool on '96-'97 models. Like others have said - it could also be timing gasket or cover leakage as well.

It's a 1999

MTGTS · Oct 15, 2009

ViperTuner said:
Go down to your local CARQUEST/NAPA/AUTOZONE etc... get yourself an oil leak dye kit... Pour in the little bottle.. put on the fancy yellow glasses...and shine the UV light on the wet areas and follow the trail. Make sure you start off looking for it on the jack stands while idling then move to running it up the road and back for a minute or so until the dye starts to appear. Keep checking until you can find it... Its better than just tearing it down to a bare block and buying a new gasket kit or wasting your time making changes that don't work...

Howard

I'll look into this as well. As I said I have warranty but I have no trust in the last dealership I took it too.

Disturbed · Oct 15, 2009

Matt,

On my 01 I had a simular issue and it was the timing chain cover gasket. If I have time this weekend I will try to stop by, I've got something else to show you.

MTGTS · Oct 15, 2009

Disturbed said:
Matt,

On my 01 I had a simular issue and it was the timing chain cover gasket. If I have time this weekend I will try to stop by, I've got something else to show you.

sweet!!

dave6666 · Oct 19, 2009

Update?

MTGTS · Oct 19, 2009

dave6666 said:
Update?

Nothing yet, I'm waiting on a part to come in that needs to go back on before I can start the motor back up and try and figure out where it's coming from. If I can't it's going to Macedo's for a new clutch soon and I'll hae him look @ it as well.

MTGTS · Nov 5, 2009

We got some dye in it up @ Macedo's. He thinks it's either the timing cover gasket or the front crank seal. I'm gonna get under it prob tommorrow or Sat. with a blacklight if I can find one

PDCjonny · Nov 5, 2009

My money is on timing chain cover, had to fix both of mine years '97 and '98.

MTGTS · Nov 5, 2009

GTS Dean said:
The year matters. It could be PCV/valve cover/airbox drool on '96-'97 models. Like others have said - it could also be timing gasket or cover leakage as well.

It's a 99.

MTGTS · Nov 5, 2009

ViperJon said:
My money is on timing chain cover, had to fix both of mine years '97 and '98.

Thanks for the imput. :headbang:

cyaford · Nov 5, 2009

1TONY1 said:
I have seen a cover leak put oil on top or the engine too.

I call BS....... :lmao:

Larry Macedo · Nov 5, 2009

cyaford said:
I call BS.......

Tony is correct. The front cover gasket may have been slipped upon engine assembly. Look on the passenger side, below the throttle body where the water pump meets the front cover and if a pool of oil has formed, it's the timing cover gasket. From the looks of it, it's slinging off of the damper, so it could be something as easy as the front seal. You probably need the damper pinned too!

Larry Macedo · Nov 5, 2009

cyaford said:
I call BS.......

I know you're messing with him too... Did this happen to your car?

Viper Wizard · Nov 5, 2009

Based on the info, my money is on the timing chain cover gasket. That gasket has been an engine killer too, especially when it leaks coolant into the crankcase! :rip:

914-763-3136 anytime.

Viper World

1TONY1 · Nov 6, 2009

Larry Macedo said:
I know you're messing with him too... Did this happen to your car?

He is

On his car I replaced the timing cover gasket......there really wasn't much oil around the cover but under the intake almost halfway back it was filling the valleys up with oil. Weird.
Good to see you posting Larry !!

cyaford · Nov 9, 2009

Larry Macedo said:
I know you're messing with him too... Did this happen to your car?

Yep. Happened to my car. I could've sworn it was a valve cover leak. I retorqued the valve cover, cleaned up the lake of oil on top of the engine, and then ordered a new gasket. A few weeks after installing the new gasket, the lake returned.

Tony fixed the problem by doing the timing cover gasket R&R. :2tu:

MTGTS · Nov 9, 2009

I'm waiting on a local delaership to call me back when the Viper tech I was reccommended will be available.

I have a feeling I won't be getting that call. May have to go to Daytona to get this done.

MTGTS · Nov 25, 2009

Update: I ended up having to take the car all the way to Daytona Dodge last week and dropped it off. The tech is gonna replace the PVC valve, hoses, grommet to start with. He believes it's all blow back/by and blowing back up the intake and leaking out of the intake box drains onto the front of the motor. I think he's wrong but we'll see what happens, waiting on parts.

Chuck 98 RT/10 · Nov 26, 2009

First pic, if those are PS lines then I think you need to replace the PS high pressure line or at least tighten the nut. Use a line wrench. 18mm fits that end of the line, 16mm fits the end going into the pump. Probably need to replace the line. Tator has them.

MTGTS · Nov 26, 2009

Chuck 98 RT/10 said:
First pic, if those are PS lines then I think you need to replace the PS high pressure line or at least tighten the nut. Use a line wrench. 18mm fits that end of the line, 16mm fits the end going into the pump. Probably need to replace the line. Tator has them.

I think thet are coolant lines. PS is on the other side

Brake Dust · Nov 26, 2009

YES it just happened to me 1.7 rollers. Blow back/by and blowing back up the intake and leaking out of the intake box drains onto the front of the motor. Unclip the box, pull the filters and the little white sponge. If the filter has a little air resistance from some oil or water, dirt, leaf, ect.. might pull excess oil from the valve covers. In my case no big deal. MY $2... Oil mess mostly on drivers side in this case.

MTGTS · Nov 26, 2009

Brake Dust said:
YES it just happened to me 1.7 rollers. Blow back/by and blowing back up the intake and leaking out of the intake box drains onto the front of the motor. Unclip the box, pull the filters and the little white sponge. If the filter has a little air resistance from some oil or water, dirt, leaf, ect.. might pull excess oil from the valve covers. In my case no big deal. MY $2... Oil mess mostly on drivers side in this case.

I have the 1.7's as well. Same thing, mostly leaking down the driver's side. How did you stop this?

MTGTS · Dec 8, 2009

Got the car back yesterday. Here's all what was replaced:

Intake gaskets - 5245194-ac
Harness Pollution - 4763767-ad
Hose PVC Inlet (was broken)- 4848340-ac
Cam sensor (was watching it cut in and out on his scanner, he think this was becuase oil from the leak was going directly onto the sensor)- 5245084
Grommet Crank - 5245322
Harness CCV - 4763806-ac
Gasket oil pan - 5037022-aa
Switch oil pressure - 4848295
Oil

Unrelated to the oil leak my Ujoints were destroyed he said, so he replaced all those as well.

Warranty FTW!!!

Big :2tu:

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