Martin
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And, golly, there sure were a lot of vette's on the road right where that accident happened... Strange coincidence...
Nannies won't neccessarily save you
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FastZilla
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Look at me!!!
Look at me!!!!
Look at me....Damnit!!!! You see me now!!!! Next time look when I'm trying to show off my Jegs FlowMasters!!!!
Look at me!!!!
Look at me....Damnit!!!! You see me now!!!! Next time look when I'm trying to show off my Jegs FlowMasters!!!!
white out
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I'm loving the comments on youtube.
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Chuck 98 RT/10
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Don't get me started on those idiots and the joggers too. We have perfectly good sidewalks in our neighborhood but the joggers and many walkers too, prefer to jog and walk in the road. Sometimes at night and the lighting aint so good with all the big trees we have lining the streets. Yep, Darwinism.
CitySnake
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Don't get me started??? When did you stop?! SaturnVUEguy
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This somehow reminds me of a thread on ferrarichat regarding manual transmissions vs paddle shift.
EDIT, I found the link to the thread I mentioned: No manual shifter? - FerrariChat.com
EDIT, I found the link to the thread I mentioned: No manual shifter? - FerrariChat.com
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Martin
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Get this - just a few weeks ago, right after a bunch of rains where a ton of light gravel washed across the road, some dumb-ass yuppie couple was jogging up the road (on the wrong side of course because 'they say' it's safer to see the cars coming than have them sneak up on them from behind...) - - - with one of those frigging baby-carriage-jogging things. I come around a blind corner, with oncoming cars in the other lane, see them and their baby carriage right in front of me, and I had to slam on my brakes so fast and hard that I just missed smashing into those dumb-ass idiot couple's baby. Think about how horrible I would have felt about that. I can't even GET started about how stupid and irresponsible that was of them. I got out of my car and screamed at them like you wouldn't believe, and spent the rest of the day freaking out about what an f-ed up thing just about happened in my life. They acted like "this is our road, too, and you need to share it with us because we have the right of way." OMFG...
There is only a narrow window that stability controls can be effective. If you are just under the limit of the cars capability and you accelerate the computer will keep you out of trouble.
If you are way to hot into a corner, you're toast period. Or any other action that overpowers what computer application of brakes and throttle modulation will correct.
Stupid has wrecked many a car with nannies.
I learned to drive in the old days. My butt sensor keeps me informed of what to do with the gas pedal/brakes,counter steering and shifting. Never wrecked a car.
A Corvette engineer at Corvette Funfest said that every Z06 accident that he looked into had the controls turned off.
If you are way to hot into a corner, you're toast period. Or any other action that overpowers what computer application of brakes and throttle modulation will correct.
Stupid has wrecked many a car with nannies.
I learned to drive in the old days. My butt sensor keeps me informed of what to do with the gas pedal/brakes,counter steering and shifting. Never wrecked a car.
A Corvette engineer at Corvette Funfest said that every Z06 accident that he looked into had the controls turned off.
Martin
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Personally, I think wrecking a car or two is the best nanny control you can get. As long as you don't hurt anyone or yourself, of course... Fortunately I did all my wrecking back when I had good enough reflexes to push a car to its limits and recover 99.9% of the time. It was those couple of times that I couldn't recover that taught me how to avoid getting into that situation again. Now, when something bad is about to happen, I don't even think about what I need to do, it just magically happens because I've got those wreck-avoidance genes etched into my DNA (knock on wood). I also keep my favorite car of all time up on blocks waiting to be rebuilt (going on 35 years on blocks now, still haven't un-wrecked it) and staring me in the face to remind me what happens when you get too stupid.
Chuck 98 RT/10
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My neighborhood thought it would be a great idea to paint a bicycle path in the road. All it did was invite every bonehead in the neighborhood to use it for a pedestrian lane. I even saw some dipsh*t pushing a baby carraige in the bike lane. Cars going past him at 25-35mph just a couple feet away and he thought it was a good idea to use the bicycle lane for walking his kid. Idiots. And people think TC is a solution.
WILDASP
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I went over to the link and read that thread. Those who think the nanny tech debate here gets too brutal ought to have a look at that one. Same kind of fight really; driver skill vs. computer enhancement. Funny how much they talk about "driving at the limit" with paddles, considering how few Ferrari guys ever track their cars.
WILDASP
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It's all part of the feminization of America, Chuck; this has by now resulted in the coddling of at least two generations of idiots, many of whom would not previously have survived long enough to contaminate the gene pool. Some people should never reproduce.....
Martin
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It's all part of the feminization of America, Chuck; this has by now resulted in the coddling of at least two generations of idiots, many of whom would not previously have survived long enough to contaminate the gene pool. Some people should never reproduce.....
I think all kids (and most adults these days) should be forced to go through a part of their lives where they need to REALLY take care of themselves. Come out to the middle of nowhere where I live, try to heat their house with wood during the winter, clear trees that fall across the road, fix things around their own houses when things break, stick within a reasonable budget and not expect anyone to give them handouts. Take care of things that are important. Don't abuse things so that they break - because once something breaks, it either needs to be fixed or you go without. All in all, be self-suficient. Too many damn people feel entitled to too many damn safety nets. The problem isn't just nanny devices, it's our frigging society. Too many people think they can make bad decisions and someone or something is just going to bail them out. I say BS to that. Screw up, **** it up, deal with it and face the consequences. Then maybe they won't screw up again. If people took more responsibility for their own actions and performance, maybe we would have more resources available to help the people who REALLY need the help. Damn, now I got myself started on this rant again. Stupid nanny devices...
VIPER GTSR 91
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The video is hilarious. LMAO. Amateurs........
I think we need to eleminate the ultimate nanny: the electric starter. I wonder if they had the nanny discussion back then.
Or maybe the electonic control of ignition timing. I'll bet all the Model T guys complained about how sissified the cars were becoming with the elimination of the timing advance lever. Took a real driver to optimize fuel spark and throttle at the same time.
Or then again maybe the power brake nanny. You lose braking sensation with power brakes and are less connected to the car.
Or maybe the power steering nanny. No longer directly connected to the steering wheels.
And now that I think of it lets bring back the carburetor and distributors. Bias ply tires also, only wimps drive on them radial thingies.
Technological advances will always have their detractors. Fortunately the ultimate factor in this Darwin evoution is time itself. Those that grow up with ABS, ESC, TC, paddle shift, etc will not know what they are missing and will be even more happy with how their cars perform. Because when you get down to it I am happiest when my car is faster. And in time every one of these so-called nannies will result in cars that are faster.
Now a real nnany in my book is anything that allows Big Brother to monitor me. Those are nannies worth fighting against.
Or maybe the electonic control of ignition timing. I'll bet all the Model T guys complained about how sissified the cars were becoming with the elimination of the timing advance lever. Took a real driver to optimize fuel spark and throttle at the same time.
Or then again maybe the power brake nanny. You lose braking sensation with power brakes and are less connected to the car.
Or maybe the power steering nanny. No longer directly connected to the steering wheels.
And now that I think of it lets bring back the carburetor and distributors. Bias ply tires also, only wimps drive on them radial thingies.
Technological advances will always have their detractors. Fortunately the ultimate factor in this Darwin evoution is time itself. Those that grow up with ABS, ESC, TC, paddle shift, etc will not know what they are missing and will be even more happy with how their cars perform. Because when you get down to it I am happiest when my car is faster. And in time every one of these so-called nannies will result in cars that are faster.
Now a real nnany in my book is anything that allows Big Brother to monitor me. Those are nannies worth fighting against.
SaturnVUEguy
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GR8, you'd like to read the link I posted a few posts back to the Ferrarichat discussion on stick vs paddle shifts. More specifically, you'd like my comments and their responses to them. I have the same screen name both sites
Chuck 98 RT/10
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So now we're copy/pasting our own responses from other threads? C'mon, at least put the effort to change the response if not the message. Like this...
There are fast cars and there are fast drivers. We know which ones the pro-nannies are.
doug fresh
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That car is not a Z06, do the c6's have nanny controls ?
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gofastr
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Yes they do.
Chuck 98 RT/10
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Don't forget to fault the cold tires and wet roads. Everything but the foot on the pedal and the nut behind the wheel.
WILDASP
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Well, Chuck, actually it's more like this:
There are fast drivers, and there are half-fast drivers. I think we know which drivers nanny tech is made for.
Wow nothing like taking things out of context and going overboard here. Its one thing to have technology make life easier and more reliable, its another all together to take car control out of the hands of the driver. There is nothing wrong with ABS, ESC, TC, ETC. on everyday cars for getting people around safely, but we are talking about SPORT CARS here, BIG difference. If you are buying a sport car with enough power to propel you at more than 200MPH you should have the skill to control it on your own without the cars computer taking over. Traction control and the such only take away from the driving experience. If I want to act like a fool in my SPORT CAR and pull a "hey y'all, watch this" there shouldn't be any car functions that keep me from doing that. Do you see any nannies on F1, NASCAR, or any other circuit cars??? Why do you think that is??
You obviously missed the last decade and the issues that drove several safety related regulations. One of significance was the Firestone-Ford tire failure and rollover issue. The safety issue is when an unusual event such as a rapid tire deflation causes a normal driver to be unable to properly control their car. ESC is intended to prevent that type of mishap. If you do not want it to then turn it off. At least the regulators allowed that opportunity.
And do I see any nannies, as you call them, on F1 and other car series. Yes, they were on F1 but removed because it made the poorer drivers drive as well as the best, especially in braking performance. They did not eliminate them because the cars were slower. No, faster and more consistent. When ABS was allowed many teams found ways to use it in a ESC mode secretly. The answer as to why is obvious. It made them quicker.
And do I see any nannies, as you call them, on F1 and other car series. Yes, they were on F1 but removed because it made the poorer drivers drive as well as the best, especially in braking performance. They did not eliminate them because the cars were slower. No, faster and more consistent. When ABS was allowed many teams found ways to use it in a ESC mode secretly. The answer as to why is obvious. It made them quicker.
Chuck 98 RT/10
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Those were on SUVs. High profile vehicles on high profile tires. The reaction on a SUV with a 235/75-15 tire vs. a sports car with a 335/30-18 isn't even in the same universe. It is ridiculous that our government lumps them in the same category and applies the same safety regs to both.
Thats my point exactly. Its clear there is no discussing reason with some people.
Sheesh, I was explaining why they implemented a regulation. I never said I supported it directly. Just being a realist amongst several "wingers." Neither the left wing Naderists nor the right winger freedomists are correct or speak for the majority.
Without regulations of some kind what kind of world would we have??? Extremists (both sides) will always argue for/against all of them vehemently. But if you were in a building that had a fire I am sure that you would be thankful for a regulation requiring sprinklers, smoke alarms, fire retardant materials, etc. Without the regulations every building owner would decide on their own what was best. Same for automotive safety. If all manufacturers were to decide if we should put in place safety features we would probably have very few of them available. The market driven low cost perspective would win out in many cases.
But all this arguing over a feature that has little real cost and which has a disabling switch seems ridiculous. At least from this more centrist person.
Without regulations of some kind what kind of world would we have??? Extremists (both sides) will always argue for/against all of them vehemently. But if you were in a building that had a fire I am sure that you would be thankful for a regulation requiring sprinklers, smoke alarms, fire retardant materials, etc. Without the regulations every building owner would decide on their own what was best. Same for automotive safety. If all manufacturers were to decide if we should put in place safety features we would probably have very few of them available. The market driven low cost perspective would win out in many cases.
But all this arguing over a feature that has little real cost and which has a disabling switch seems ridiculous. At least from this more centrist person.
Chuck 98 RT/10
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Freedom? Personal responsibility?
Society is a pendulum and for several years the pendulum has swung waaaaaaaaaaay too far past center. You consider yourself more centrist? What a coincidence, I consider myself a centrist too. Regulated crush zones - yes. Regulated seatbelts - yes. Regulated nannies on minivans and SUVs - yes. I have no problem with any of those.
Sports car regulations? No. Sports cars need their own category. But I'm willing to compromise. As Patlaw mentioned earlier about small production vehicles being exempt from federal regulations why can't we just raise the small production number from 100 to 2000?
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