ACRX Headers

BAD BOYZZ GARAGE said:

Dodge Viper ACRX Factory Headers

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The US & CA gov't has an interest in protecting US tradesman and manufacturers. If customs officials find this badge on a boatload of headers coming from China, they will be quickly confiscated. If some US shop dares to weld one of these badges onto a set of headers, they can expect the FBI to be knocking on their door.

lets see photos of the ports on a genuine acrx header then we can compare the business end

BAD BOYZZ GARAGE said:

BBG respectfully had no involvement with Dimitri's high HP / NA build.

Also, I believe Sssammm had his headers re-welded.

BAD BOYZZ GARAGE. INC.
Toddy

=DISTRIBUTORS OF POWER=

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no, BBG did not build dipapas engine/car. from his posting A&C did the build and the BBG headers on it had issues (according to his posts).

yes, ssssam did get the knockoffs rewelded

so how many knockoffs did actually get sold ?
my pal tzortz has a set, sssam has a set and vic HAD A SET and returned them. so far we have 3, ANY OTHERS ?

Im not happy where this post has been going, too much slagging

Toddy,

I don’t know you, and have never met you, and ive never dealt with you, I am alarmed at how you have twisted your relationship with me through this post, and I am beginning to question the truth or validity of any of your statements now.

1. I did not contact you, you contacted me, like the Viper Police, questioning the validity of my purchase telling me every negative thing under the sun and that they are substandard illegal goods, this in itself worried me about my headers
2. You have not “trouble Shot” my header purchase
3. You have not offered anything tangible to me like you say in this thread, if you have helped somebody, I wonder who??
4. I did ask if you could possibly get me a couple of things, of which nothing was ever offered to me or followed up
5. I am quite disturbed by the possibly libellous statements you have made throughout this thread, not so much on my behalf, but I am sure if the supplier of my headers read this post i would be worried about legal action, the person who’s integrity I question most now is YOU
6. The headers I have now, after research, were made in the USA, are by the looks of it, far superior to the product you offer for sale, over heated welds,**** and weld all over the place and the tubes at the flange are not welded all the way round, any high powered engine would blow them out eventually.

In the UK, I have used a top engineering company to build headers for me for my Cobra,the quality cannot be matched from what i am seeing with these so called ACRX headers, to tell the truth, I wish i never got involved, but now I have, I have done what is necessary and my pipes are perfect, and other than the Chinese ripoffs you keep mentioning, which i have never seen advertised anywhere, im afraid the quality and construction leaves a lot to be desired, a welded on badge does not increase quality

Is ACRX a licensed name for these headers as approved by Dodge / Chrysler?, as you seem to use the OEM label with yours

Please dont send any alarming mail to anyone else you think might not be buying your products, its not on.

6. The headers I have now, after research, were made in the USA, are by the looks of it, far superior to the product you offer for sale, over heated welds,**** and weld all over the place and *** the tubes at the flange are not welded all the way round, any high powered engine would blow them out eventually.***

THIS IS THE REASON WHY I KEEP ASKING TO SEE THE PORTS ON THE ACRX HEADERS, PERHAPS THIS IS WHY NO PHOTOS ARE BEING POSTED ?????

Scroll one page back, there you can see the beautifull all American welding of the real deal

Ive looked, look round the flange, whats that all about, a tack weld?

madbrian, i was wondering why you kept pushing for that....

where is the spin ?

Roy,

No picture of the flange that people are talking about in this thread. At least not of the AR headers. No close-ups really at all of the AR headers.
I don't really care, as I'm not in the market for any headers. I have my M&M's and they look great and fit perfectly.
If I was in the market though, I would like to see exact side-by-side comparison pictures of the two. What I mean is take a pic of the AR headers from the same ditance and angle as the pics that were posted of the "other" headers. I think that would eliminate a lot of the confusion people are having. There's not really any apples to apples pics.

plumcrazy said:

no, BBG did not build dipapas engine/car. from his posting A&C did the build and the BBG headers on it had issues (according to his posts).

yes, ssssam did get the knockoffs rewelded

so how many knockoffs did actually get sold ?
my pal tzortz has a set, sssam has a set and vic HAD A SET and returned them. so far we have 3, ANY OTHERS ?

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Plum,
You are mistaken, the Gen 3 American Racing 1 3/4" headers I have were purchased directly through American Racing. Don't confuse similar owners first names of 2 completely differnt Viper businesses.

Im not sure why, but a few months after my new motor build & headers were installed I got a header leak on passenger side only.

Dont confuse my gen3 with a gen4.

I cant comment on the header flange bolt pattern similarities/differnces to the gen 3 & gen 4 head.

I cannot comment on the head exhaust port spacing between the gen3 & gen4 head.

However in general, the real American Racing Gen 3 & Gen 4 headers are BOTH the same Stainless Steel, 1 3/4 inner diameter ( im measured them), 5 to 1 with merge collectors, pickle.

I firmly believe the Gen 4 ACRX 1 3/4" header is the SAME EXACT HEADER as an American Racing 1 3/4 Gen3 header just made to fit a gen 4 Head exhaust side mating interface.

TowDawg said:

Roy,

No picture of the flange that people are talking about in this thread. At least not of the AR headers. No close-ups really at all of the AR headers.

If I was in the market though, I would like to see exact side-by-side comparison pictures of the two. What I mean is take a pic of the AR headers from the same ditance and angle as the pics that were posted of the "other" headers. I think that would eliminate a lot of the confusion people are having. There's not really any apples to apples pics.

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EXACTLY what I want to see .

plumcrazy said:

madbrian, i was wondering why you kept pushing for that....

where is the spin ?

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it is getting late here , I will confirm tomorrow.

dipapa, sorry about the name confusion.

i thought AR made them for BBG. i think there is a difference in the location of the O2's on the BBG for the gen4.

wonder if american racing will post in this fiasco to set us straight on the differences in the headers ?

sssammm said:

Im not happy where this post has been going, too much slagging

Toddy,

I don’t know you, and have never met you, and ive never dealt with you, I am alarmed at how you have twisted your relationship with me through this post, and I am beginning to question the truth or validity of any of your statements now.

1. I did not contact you, you contacted me, like the Viper Police, questioning the validity of my purchase telling me every negative thing under the sun and that they are substandard illegal goods, this in itself worried me about my headers
2. You have not “trouble Shot” my header purchase
3. You have not offered anything tangible to me like you say in this thread, if you have helped somebody, I wonder who??
4. I did ask if you could possibly get me a couple of things, of which nothing was ever offered to me or followed up
5. I am quite disturbed by the possibly libellous statements you have made throughout this thread, not so much on my behalf, but I am sure if the supplier of my headers read this post i would be worried about legal action, the person who’s integrity I question most now is YOU
6. The headers I have now, after research, were made in the USA, are by the looks of it, far superior to the product you offer for sale, over heated welds,**** and weld all over the place and the tubes at the flange are not welded all the way round, any high powered engine would blow them out eventually.

In the UK, I have used a top engineering company to build headers for me for my Cobra,the quality cannot be matched from what i am seeing with these so called ACRX headers, to tell the truth, I wish i never got involved, but now I have, I have done what is necessary and my pipes are perfect, and other than the Chinese ripoffs you keep mentioning, which i have never seen advertised anywhere, im afraid the quality and construction leaves a lot to be desired, a welded on badge does not increase quality

Is ACRX a licensed name for these headers as approved by Dodge / Chrysler?, as you seem to use the OEM label with yours

Please dont send any alarming mail to anyone else you think might not be buying your products, its not on.

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What a mess of a situation

Honestly, I WAS going to try the ACRX Headers BUT After all this confusion I think that I will just get Belangers, like I had on my 2002 FE.

After reading all this, I would not even take a chance on the ACRX headers, just wondering what they would look like when they arrived. NO THANKS! Something I would not chance.

Belanger full Exhaust for me.

2BADD-4U said:

What a mess of a situation

Honestly, I WAS going to try the ACRX Headers BUT After all this confusion I think that I will just get Belangers, like I had on my 2002 FE.

After reading all this, I would not even take a chance on the ACRX headers, just wondering what they would look like when they arrived. NO THANKS! Something I would not chance.

Belanger full Exhaust for me.

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I don't know why anyone would be afraid to buy an ACRX BaddBoys header due to this thread. Just make sure you buy them from an authorized dealer. Check with Toddy as to who to buy them from. And remember that this header was approved by SRT and is original equipment on the ACRX so it's hard to see why there would be any worry as to the quality of it.
That is an interesting twist to this thread. ACRX Bad Boy headers get cloned, the clones look pretty crappy and now the original manufacturer starts being accused of bad quality? Just don't buy a clone from EBAY and you should be fine. And I'm not knocking Belangers I own some on a GTS.

And Toddy if you are reading this go ahead and put the pictures up you are being asked about. We will make an exception if this will protect users from buying fakes.

Interesting. If there's one thing I've learned moderating these types of threads, there's always more to these stories and I don't think we have yet heard from all parties. If someone has something factual to say on the matter, say it and let's move on.

Looking forward to the pics from Toddy as well and we should keep them in here for future reference.

ViperTony said:

Interesting. If there's one thing I've learned moderating these types of threads, there's always more to these stories and I don't think we have yet heard from all parties. If someone has something factual to say on the matter, say it and let's move on.

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[FONT=Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]Toddy,

I have seen this post morph from a simple request by a member for info into a huge slanderous mess of misinformation and utter BS. I have sat back and waited for some truth to float to the surface as you can’t spin BS

As you well know, and as you were informed on the morning of Wednesday February 23rd when you called me and asked me about these headers, ( which I may add was before you started your big SELF PROMOTORY SALES PITCH/EXHIBITION in this and other threads). I have read all of the libelous and misleading posts on this subject, but for now, here is a recap of what we talked about:

A small quantity of handmade samples were made. These headers are hand made samples, there is not a dimension or part of them that is the same as what you “SELL”, you do not make what you sell, you repackage them, and even then, the BAD BOYZZ series is just the GEN 4 version of the ARH header with a plaque on it, nothing else from what I can see.

These hand made samples were made numerous months ago, as you were told before you made your posts.

The samples were sat on and not sold for a long time, as you were told before you made your posts.

The samples were then sold on Ebay, and another site, not on this site, as you were told before you made your posts

There are no samples left, and you were told this before your posts about this matter.

They were not sold as BBG, which you know, yet have pretended for dramatic effect that they have been. Never, ever, no matter what you have claimed or alluded to in your posts, or told others in writing or verbally, have they or were they ever represented as BBG Headers, and you know it! In fact any person who can READ can see that by reading the ads.

They were not sold as ARH, never, ever, no matter what you are have alluded to or misrepresented in your posts, and you know it! Again, read the ads.

They were sold as ACR X Style race headers which they are, ACR X Style, nothing more, nothing less.

These headers have different thickness Flanges, different dimension tubes, thicker wall thickness in the tubes etc. than anything that you repackage or sell.

There is no utility patent or design patent on the ARH style headers, if there was any type of patent on this design, it would be owned by EDELBROCK as they are the originators of this 2 piece header design, not ARH and definitely not you.

There is no “Boatload of headers” headed for US shores from China. You were told that there were a few handmade samples made and that was it, everything else you have alluded to or stated is an intentional mis-statement of the facts.

There is NO SAMPLE anywhere that has now or has ever had a BB Series little engraved badge on it, stop making up stories.



Further more:

Nobody called you for help or trouble shooting as you state.

You solicited them, misrepresenting facts and telling people that they have purchased illegally made copies of “your” product, among other derogatory, defamatory, libelous and slanderous comments.

Some of these people you have emailed over and over and over again to convince them that they should be unhappy with their purchase.

You have taken a non-issue on a product that is not offered anymore and is not in production in way shape or form and never was, and are now exploiting it to promote yourself, claiming it to be a “Chinese Header Invasion”.


To clarify the MYTHS:

MYTH # 1 – These ARH headers are an original design, they are not, and they definitely are not a new design or YOUR DESIGN!

ARH Viper headers are an updated, longer tube version of the Edelbrock Long tube Viper header, same fundamental design, different collector length and slightly different tube placement, other than that you can see where most of the R&D was done by Edelbrock a dozen + years ago.

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MYTH # 2 – Huge amounts of R&D...

There appears that there WAS NO SIGNIFICANT R&D to make the Gen 4 version of these headers, they are almost identical to the 1 3/4” version of the Gen 3 ARH header, outside of 2 tubes being in a different position and a different FLANGE for bolting to the head, there is No apparent significant difference, the bottom halves are the same across all 3 generations, see pics.

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Claiming the testing Dodge may have done as R&D is wrong and misleading.


MYTH # 3 – No fitment issues with ARH or BBG Headers ??? Call the kettle black...

There are always issues when fitting parts to handmade cars.
See picture of a BBG Gen 4 Header top with the word “fitment” written on it by Toddy Gomez himself. It was written when this piece was sent back to the factory for a “silent” recall, due to tubes hitting the block and preventing proper install. Between this recall, and the mis-shipping of the wrong lower half for one side, which, then, took another couple of weeks to iron out, the set of Gen 4 headers I bought was MIA and useless for sale or install for well over a month after original delivery. I have never mentioned this and never intended to, but an explanation of the facts is due and in order.

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The Flange on these headers where they bolt to the head is warped by about 1.5 – 2mm or more over the span. An amount which may not sound like much, but when you are bolting a 3/8 inch thick piece of stainless that is welded into position and held by 5 separate sets of welds/tubes and then you try to bolt that to an aluminum casting, the part that will give eventually is the softer material. I think this is simple common sense. This is the exact issue that cost Dipapa a couple of thousand bucks to fix, and his headers were ARH headers, shipped directly to his house from ARH.

They had to be machined flat by the installer. This is something that should be considered when a DIY installer is considering installing these headers and the issue seems to run across the GEN’s from what I and others have seen, this picture is a Gen 4 BBG header flange
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MYTH # 4 – BBG – BAD BOYZZ Garage has rights to use the “ACR X” Nomenclature in use with headers or any other product.

You have no license what so ever to use ACR X with anything. Neither Dodge in their Mopar Performance Catalog or American Racing Headers for their Gen 4 headers use ACR X as a descriptor for their Gen 4 SRT10 Headers and you do not have a license with anyone who does have the rights to the name, to use this name, with any of your products. And, as such, have absolutely NO RIGHT to be upset or make slanderous, inflammatory, defamatory or any other type of comment about anybody who does use this combination of letters to describe any product, be it headers or anything else.



Toddy,

You have taken a non – issue and made a proverbial mountain out of a mole hill. You have done so to promote yourself. You have not done it, to “help” people. You and your friends have attacked me and my business and my products, unjustly. You have stated numerous mistruths and outright lies i.e. shipping Belanger and M&M headers to China, where is your source of facts for this statement? I would like to know your source, this is a direct out and out LIE and you know it!

I know that you and Lou do not get along after you secured the race program business at Dodge, and I understand the details of the reasons why you and Lou do not get along. And that price, I can see why Lou did not want to match it.

You have started a witch hunt over a few hand made samples of headers, and yet, you have actually taken other company’s products into your customers and had detailed reviews of the product and then discarded the other company and manufactured your own competitive products using the specs you acquired, i.e. The *** Clutch. How are your actions that have led to an actual in production product of yours so correct and my having a few sample sets of headers that have never made it into production so wrong?

PLEASE EXPLAIN?

My company DONATED $48,000.00 worth of product the VPA and the VCA clubs this year to help out the clubs in a year of declining memberships. Many regions and zones have already benefited from my donations,and I have asked for nothing in return. I do not think this thread was necessary or warranted after you already had an explanation, and lets keep in mind that you were not entitled to one at all.

You have gone totally overboard over a few handmade samples, and you are on public record and in email record doing so. Did you disclose all the facts and your malicious solicitations to your “partners” Trackaire and CCBRian before you enlisted them to post their slanderous, derogatory and defamatory comments on your behalf in this thread?



I have been nothing but helpful to you in your start up, I have given you samples of my products at my cost, (something you never reciprocated with), I gave you names and prices of my suppliers (something you never reciprocated with), I gave you parts for your personal car, and untold amounts of advice.

Most of your calls to me over the last year have always, after the niceties, circled around to you asking detailed information of me about my suppliers, costs, inventory levels etc. It is funny how in this thread you circle around to asking the same things??? Sorry, my suppliers are my suppliers, I do not give out that information.

As for those Valve covers of mine that you were going to return that I sent you the fedex waybill to ship back with over 2 weeks ago, I expect them shipped this week, and I am not interested in “coming to your office to pick them up”.

Toddy, I didn’t even accept your offer to “pay my deductible” on the damage done to my truck when your header display fell over on to it at VOI11 and dented and scratched it!

Again, what can I do for you, Huh?
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Thanks for posting the other side Steve.

plumcrazy said:

dipapa, sorry about the name confusion.

i thought AR made them for BBG. i think there is a difference in the location of the O2's on the BBG for the gen4.

wonder if american racing will post in this fiasco to set us straight on the differences in the headers ?

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Im wondering why American Racing doest intervene here too also to clear things up with pics...maybe they dont go to this forum.

I had to clear some of this stuff with American Racing & the designation "ACRX headers" last year during my Gen 3 motor build.

Since this post is named ACRX headers, What we should all simply understand is a few common facts.

American Racing makes the real 1 3/4 inch Gen3 & Gen4 headers. Their Gen4, 3 inch Stainless Header labeled ACRX.

Just like we modify a stock Gen3 header to a Gen3 American Racing 1 3/4 Performance Header

Dodge sell the Gen 4 ACRX vehicle with an American Racing 1 3/4" version of their performance Gen3 header to fit a Gen4 4 car.

The ACRX header is just a name, and is not some "super high technology" header. from what my research has concluded what was done to American Racing Perfomance 1 3/4" Gen4 ACRX header is the same what has existed on the Gen3 American Racing header for all these years already... to fit a Gen4 motor.


Much of this posting on the ACRX header subject has implied the ACRX Header design & manufacture is something so new... and then the entire paranoia about mass production offload of chinese headers to the US.

There is just too much confusion about a simple product and its kinda ridiculous.

I am still happy that I got those headers from Steve, and I cannot remember who started that "China" invention which is completely faulty. They dont look low quality. The flange is thicker and quite straight. Also the tubes are thicker.

I cant wait to have my car dynoed to see the results...!




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wow, steve. i guess the reason you didnt reply in this thread was you were putting this post together....sounds like a lot of detail and fact. if half of what you say is true...DANG !

interesting that BBG has no right to use the ACRX name.

id still love to see some high res pics of the "chinese" and BBG headers to compare....can anyone do that ?

there really is no reason NOT to buy BBG or especially american racing headers, they are obviously a nice piece.

dipapa said:

Im wondering why American Racing doest intervene here too also to clear things up with pics...maybe they dont go to this forum.

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im guessing they are embarrassed. you know by now, they had to hear about this and id bet you lunch they read this thread.

This thread is the best example of I think I have ever seen. I wish someone would just delete thee whole damn thread..........

Let's move on guys.

I was busy working while simultaneously reading viper posts and i started my most recent post a couple hrs before it was actually posted. I think it may not have been at the best time considering Steve's post which to be fair, is rather interesting and surprising.

Its tough to see problems between 2 vendors especially in the same region, and a region I am living, when as Viper owners we are all just trying to learn whats best for our cars and live the Viper performance dream.

Obviously Viper dreams cost in more ways than one and which im sad to hear all these conflicts. I hope it all gets straightned out somehow for everyones benefit. Its a 2 way street between vendors & customers in all business. Especially true when building a much better Viper.

Like i said i did some research on this headers stuff last year when i was buying my Gen 3 American Racing 1 3/4" headers and i was just expressing what i learned last year.

Im also now very happy with my headers bought from steve, ok, i had to work on them, but i tell you, if i had bought the BBG ones, i would have done the same work on them too, maybe im more of a sceptic of goods before i take a car apart and put any old stuff on it, doesnt hurt to scrutinise your purchases for potential problems

ps, very happy with Vipairs after service, he offered a full refund including what i had spent on them with no quible.

plumcrazy said:

wow, steve. i guess the reason you didnt reply in this thread was you were putting this post together....sounds like a lot of detail and fact. if half of what you say is true...DANG !

interesting that BBG has no right to use the ACRX name.

id still love to see some high res pics of the "chinese" and BBG headers to compare....can anyone do that ?

there really is no reason NOT to buy BBG or especially american racing headers, they are obviously a nice piece.

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Hey Plum,

It has been a strange thread to follow, but I have posted nothing but facts and there is a lot more I could have posted, but I was just trying to keep it simple.

I have to thank SSSammm, for calling BS, he put himself on the line just to do the right thing and say enough is enough.

Well that pic of the American Racing Header flange not very flat as held up to the straight edge is probably why i had a header leak in my Gen3 1 3/4" AR header.

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I think more than one person asked me why i had the header leak.

Just for the record, prior to 1 3/4" AR Headers, I had the 1 5/8" AR headers when my motor & heads were stock. I didnt have any problems with that header. Its not like im saying all AR headers are bad. I have heard from several shops & customers AR Headers are very good compared to other header manufacturers. This is just what i went through with a header leak on my car.

Stuff like that can be a huge pain.

My car had to undergo a 900 mile trip, with a tow half way, cause i wasnt sure what it was, for my builder to fix that header product fault and ultimately shave the flange flat.

"Finally out of the header closet"

Steve let's shed some light on your obvious B.S. You called to purchase headers and to be set up as a dealer which all parties involved agreed to. We all really wanted you to succeed as a dealer. You purchased the entire generation line of ARH Viper headers which at the time we thought was odd, but now it makes perfect sense. Since you were close by I decided to drive down and hand deliver your set of ACRX Headers, shake your hand and thank you for your business. We talked about our companies & products like most businessmen would and left on good terms.

Fast forward to our meeting several months later in Petaluma, Ca when I delivered to you a set of Gen 4 turn outs with high flow cats in a 3" finished pipe configuration per your request. You had the entire ACR aero package in the back of your pick-up truck and told me flat-out that you needed to hurry up and get those parts packaged, over to fedex and ship them out to China that day, because of your fabricator's deadline to copy and produce the Gen 4 factory hood, splitter & wing in time for the VOI. At which point you asked me to keep your manufacturing location off the record, which I thought unusual since most vendors are proud of their manufacturing process and boast a bit. In addition you had the entire line of headers that you purchased from us in the back of your truck along with several other header brands. I then asked you point blank are you planning to send our headers to China as well, which you replied not at all. I stressed to you it would not be acceptable and I would purchase the headers back from you to avoid any future issues. You assured me that you would not and infact pointed out that you had much respect for the time & effort that our companies had invested in the ACRX headers.

VOI rolls around and your hanging with us at the dinners, the events and at the track. While all this time your were basically a "Snake in the Grass". It was more disappointing than anything for it to come to light that you are what you are.

Suspiciously you would always call around the time when I was helping diagnose fitment issues with Viper owners that had purchased your knock off headers and were having problems. Now I see that you were on a fishing expedition trying to establish if I had figured out that it was your product.

I offered to fix a dent for a VCA members ACRX header only to find out they were fakes. We realized that the headers had come from you when the return waybill listed you as the recipient. I called you multiple times to discuss this situation only to have you avoid my calls.

Chrysler has one complete race season on the ACRX headers & ready to get started on season 2. These headers have proven themselves in the harshest of racing conditions to establish their quality. Chrysler graciously opened their door and allowed our companies the opportunity to present & demonstrate what we felt to be the most powerful header on the market and they made the grade. Stop belittling the process, it was earned.....continuing to do so insults Chrysler, SRT, Mopar and the ACRX owner's.

BBG is damm proud to distribute American Racing Headers because of their high quality, race proven construction & business ethics.

We are just as proud of our Gen 4 high performance clutches that are currently running in race Viper's coast to coast. This collaboration is between RAM & BBG exclusively. I have been running the RAM's patented dual disc clutch pack since 2006' (built out of my Garage) in track and street Viper's with great success. Our new Gen 4 programs have been hand fitted right here at BBG!


Regarding your knock off products my question's still stand, who did your testing, where was it done, what speeds, what venues & are you actually OEM? On your imported products do they have the "Made in China" label as required by law????? The consumer deserves to know.

BAD BOYZZ GARAGE, INC.
Toddy

=DISTRIBUTORS OF POWER=


Looks like the headers figured out your scheme before anyone else and were only trying to protect their Virtue

As this was an act of "Mother Nature" I did offer to pay for the damages which you declined, then I offered to pay for your deductible which you declined also, feeling guilt?

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plumcrazy said:

madbrian, i was wondering why you kept pushing for that....

where is the spin ?

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the reason I am pushing for photos - I bought a set of
13/4" ACRX style headers from Steve Prescott ( Vipair ) and I can't see any difference between my headers and the BBG headers other than a welded on badge.

they were an excellent price and included everything needed for the install

the spike in my collector is nothing like the inferior one in the photos, the welding looks every bit as good as the BBG headers, the porting is good with no missing weld around each pipe as shown in one of the photos.

I was sold these headers as ACRX style and not once did Steve state they were ARH or BBG headers.
I was happy with the price and more than happy with the service provided.
I sent numerous e mails prior and after purchase and had an almost instant response.
this surprised me considering I live in the UK with such a time difference.

I only had one small issue and Steve was not to blame as the couriers damaged the box and lost my gasket set.

in fairness I contacted Steve, it was not his fault yet he sent me another gasket set priority mail and FOC with an apology even though he was not to blame as they were very well packaged.

I have now fitted the headers and they have made a huge difference in performance compared to my stock 97 gts headers.

the exhaust note has totally changed and sounds far more aggressive.
I do not regret buying these headers from Steve.


I STILL WANT TO SEE DETAILED PHOTOS OF THE PORTING ON THE GENUINE BBG /ARH HEADERS


I will definately buy from Steve Prescott in the future and hope that this witchhunt has not caused him any damage in the viper community as it has been totally unfair.

to your “partners” Trackaire and CCBRian before you enlisted them to post their slanderous, derogatory and defamatory comments on your behalf in this thread?

Steve, really????