Spring Cap install help request

KNG SNKE

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Ok so I am no slouch around tools and turning wrenches. This spring cap job is kicking my tail.

1.How in the world is it possible to install the spring caps while they are still on the car? I did as the instructions said and clamped the spring while it was compressed but it was not enough and I have fairly small spring clamps.

2.Without using a spring clamp machine I could not even get the springs to clamp manually and I had my clamps tightened all the way down.

This mundane task is kicking my tail. Any pointers? I really don't want to pull all the springs and shocks off but if I have to I will take it to the hobby shop and do so.
 

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1. It is not possible. You will waste time trying to install them that way. Just take them off. It's just 2 bolts.
 

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It is possible. I just rented, for free, from auto parts store a spring compressed, jacked up car and compressed springs. It is a little tricky to get the spring to compress evenly with the available space but it can be done. It took about 20 min a corner.
 

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I had to remove the shocks then used a 'portable' hydraulic spring compressor, similar to this one:

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I'm glad I removed the shocks because I adjusted my shock's jounce (or rebound?) setting and found that each shock was set differently. Following Tator's advice, I set each to 2.5 turns and the ride has been great ever since.
 
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It is possible. I just rented, for free, from auto parts store a spring compressed, jacked up car and compressed springs. It is a little tricky to get the spring to compress evenly with the available space but it can be done. It took about 20 min a corner.

Which spring compressors did you use? I have access to 2 different ones including 1 set that is extremely small and I was not even close to getting it to work, even off the car. Guessing hobby shop is my option. I talked to Chuck as well and he told me there was 4 settings. How did you get 2.5 setting? Should be 4 locked positions that you can set them to.
 

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I don't know which one it was but it was heavy duty, it used about a 15/16" wrench. It had a u clamp on each end that you clamp on the spring as far apart as possible. Then tighten down the main clamp. I just had enough room to tap out the caps, there was not enough room for them to just fall out.
 
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The ones on the left are the same ones alright. I had to get those little clamps as for as possible to the top and bottom
 

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Yeah I have those and its just not working.

Yeah, those won't work. I've tried that and the hook just won't go over the springs. You have to find the ones with a pointy hook that's a little longer or the expensive hydraulic ones shown from the previous post. I actually still have the set that I used when I did my half shafts if anyone wants to buy them off me. They're virtually new and used only once.
 

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It's 10 times easier and aggrevating to just pull the strut and replace the cap. Viper is probably the easiest car I've ever installed springs on.
 

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It's 10 times easier and aggrevating to just pull the strut and replace the cap. Viper is probably the easiest car I've ever installed springs on.

I agreed, removing/replacing the struts is not difficult - I borrowed a hydraulic spring compressor (identical to the one ViperTony pictures above) and set my shocks this Winter - I was surprised how simple the process was. As for removing caps with the shock still fitted to the car? I guess if you've got the right tools, it's gotta be worth doing.

Do you not need an alignment if you pull the struts?

If your new spring caps are not changing the ride height, alignment should not be required, but don't forget (if you are removing the shocks) they will required retorquing with the car at ride height. Check your service manual.
 
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I agreed, removing/replacing the struts is not difficult - I borrowed a hydraulic spring compressor and set my shocks this Winter and I was surprised how simple it was. As for removing caps with the shock still fitted to the car? I guess if you've got the right tools, it's gotta be worth doing.



If your new spring caps are not changing the ride height, alignment should not be required, but don't forget (if you are removing the shocks) they will required retorquing with the car at ride height. Check your service manual.

Going to have to look at that, never heard of it. The caps I'm using only lower .5 inch. Was told it is so small alignment was not required from Tator.
 

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Had to remove struts ... Easy 2 bolts per corner.... Also you can adjust your shocks at the same time if needed....
 

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Honestly the easiest and least aggravating way to do it is to take the shock assemblies to an auto shop that has a hydraulic spring compressor (wall mount style).

After doing several of these sets for guys around town we found its simply easier to pay the guys a few bucks since it only takes a few minutes to do each assembly. Just remember to adjust the compression the same on each before you reassemble it if you change the springs.

Just my .02

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why not set the shock to the stiffest setting to reduce travel? I will be going this job in a week so this thread is great timing!
 

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i learn something new everyday about vipers...... the stock shocks are adjustable? What are they set at stock of the 4 settings (2 being the best from what i've read)?:dunno:
 

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I am doing the same thing right now, plus Eibachs. Take those *****'s off, and pay someone to compress them. Local shop charged me $40 to do it. However they, and I got a little nervouse when the eibachs, and caps went back on because there is a ton of slack. I have been reasured this is okay.

I have used spring compressor's before in my high-school do it yourself because you can't afford not to days, but never again!

You'll shoot your eye out!:nono: unless you have the right stuff!

-Tim
 

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Just last weekend I installed lower spring caps from JohnB on my 2000 GTS (non ACR). I will say it is very easy of a job, infact placing/removing the car on jack stands and removing/installing the wheels takes up half the time.

1)Plan to remove the shocks, it is very easy to do and they are much easier to work on the bench. In five minutes I realized trying to compress the springs on the car was not practical using the spring compressor I had. The front sway bar will also need to be removed but it comes off very easy.
2)Rent a mcpherson strut compressor from a place like AutoZone, etc or buy one for about $50. They are pictured in the photo from KNG SNAKE. There is nothing unsafe about using these. I found that they attach very securely to the spring coils and it would be very difficult to have a failure. Place them opposite one another on the spring and alternately tighten each by a few turns at a time.
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3)Now would be the time to adjust the rebound of the shock. On my shock body there is a +/- indicating the direction of rotation for the adjustment. The spring does need to be removed from the shock to do this. Again, this if for a 2000 GTS (non ACR) with BLUE colored Koni shocks. I plan to remove my shocks again and adjust them to two turns as recommend above. Koni adjustment instructions.
4)Install the new caps and release the spring compressors in the same manner as they were tightened.
5)Install the shocks on the car, I had to leverage the suspension down slightly to allow the shocks to slide into their mounts.
6) Ballast the car per the service manual with a full tank of gas, 165lbs in each seat and 70lbs in the cargo hold and place the car on it's suspension prior to torquing the shock bolts.

Here is my solution to the last step. I had a helper (approximately 200lbs, which was half the 165lbs plus half of the required rear weight) set in the driver's seat while I placed my floor jack under the front control arm to raise the suspension until the front corner of the car came off the jack stand approximately 1". I jostled the car a few times and then torqued the front shock bolts. I repeated this on the rear and then had my helper move to the passenger seat while I repeated the process on the passenger's side. Not exactly per the factory service manual but close enough and I have had success with this method several times in the past on my BMW and MB suspensions.

I would highly recommend to ballast the car and torque the shock bolts under load. The suspension will compress nearly twice as much with the added weight as it would under just the car's own weight.

I took it for a drive afterwards and noticed a HUGE difference in the tracking of the car, it no longer followers the ruts in the road. This means the alignment HAS changed front and rear. Most likely now being lower there is more negative camber which will also cause the toe to move outwards. I have an appointment for an alignment Monday and I will take note of the numbers. At this point I would say an alignment is highly advisable even for the .5-.75" lower curb hight from the spring caps.
 
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