Not happy today, just got beat, twice !
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FastZilla
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Re: A more relevant race would be a 2013 VIPER vers the McLaren
The 12c. You may want to check out drag times, you tube, etc. I can't find a 2013 Viper running a 10 & I can't find a 12c running an 11.... I wouldn't put stock in a magazine review.
This is just one of many on the tube... (ZR1 is modified, 12c is stock)
http://www.dragtimes.com/blog/mclaren-mp4-12c-vs-chevrolet-corvette-zr1-at-the-drag-strip
High flow cats (only) on the 12c net 35 rwhp gain, approx 5% (depending on who's dyno you believe, 33-40 rwhp). So I'd say "just an exhaust" is a significant advantage for the ZR1.
My philosophy is its better to be informed than humiliated... Just sayin
The 12c. You may want to check out drag times, you tube, etc. I can't find a 2013 Viper running a 10 & I can't find a 12c running an 11.... I wouldn't put stock in a magazine review.
This is just one of many on the tube... (ZR1 is modified, 12c is stock)
http://www.dragtimes.com/blog/mclaren-mp4-12c-vs-chevrolet-corvette-zr1-at-the-drag-strip
High flow cats (only) on the 12c net 35 rwhp gain, approx 5% (depending on who's dyno you believe, 33-40 rwhp). So I'd say "just an exhaust" is a significant advantage for the ZR1.
My philosophy is its better to be informed than humiliated... Just sayin
Nine Ball
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Re: A more relevant race would be a 2013 VIPER vers the McLaren
Not quite. I used to competitively bracket race my mid-10 second Firebird, which was equipped with a T56 manual. I could consistently dial in 10.58-10.68, depending on the weather. That was simply shifting it fast, with a slight lift of the throttle. If I was going for best ET, I'd powershift and the car would run about a tenth quicker, and 1 mph quicker. Sometimes I had to do it during the event, if I messed up my launch and wanted to gain that tenth back. I've done this with just about all of my manual cars since then, never saw more than a tenth gain. But, I do lift-shift pretty quickly. Maybe that is the reason.
Tony
Not quite. I used to competitively bracket race my mid-10 second Firebird, which was equipped with a T56 manual. I could consistently dial in 10.58-10.68, depending on the weather. That was simply shifting it fast, with a slight lift of the throttle. If I was going for best ET, I'd powershift and the car would run about a tenth quicker, and 1 mph quicker. Sometimes I had to do it during the event, if I messed up my launch and wanted to gain that tenth back. I've done this with just about all of my manual cars since then, never saw more than a tenth gain. But, I do lift-shift pretty quickly. Maybe that is the reason.
Tony
It's okay to lose to a car that runs 10.37 @ 135 with just a tire change...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPJ9ItB7zPI
In other news: Holy **** the MP4-12c is fast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPJ9ItB7zPI
In other news: Holy **** the MP4-12c is fast
FikseGTS
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nice run in the McLaren.... <--my car...
Good on you sir!
AAKVIPER
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Re: A more relevant race would be a 2013 VIPER vers the McLaren
Road and Track in my opinion is a more real world test medium.. Drag times while amusing for me has a lot of cars modified. While Road and Track cars are all stock with real world testing.
The 12c. You may want to check out drag times, you tube, etc. I can't find a 2013 Viper running a 10 & I can't find a 12c running an 11.... I wouldn't put stock in a magazine review.
This is just one of many on the tube... (ZR1 is modified, 12c is stock)
http://www.dragtimes.com/blog/mclaren-mp4-12c-vs-chevrolet-corvette-zr1-at-the-drag-strip
High flow cats (only) on the 12c net 35 rwhp gain, approx 5% (depending on who's dyno you believe, 33-40 rwhp). So I'd say "just an exhaust" is a significant advantage for the ZR1.
My philosophy is its better to be informed than humiliated... Just sayin
Road and Track in my opinion is a more real world test medium.. Drag times while amusing for me has a lot of cars modified. While Road and Track cars are all stock with real world testing.
FikseGTS
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Re: A more relevant race would be a 2013 VIPER vers the McLaren
the magazines seldom visit a real drag strip when testing the cars, it's all computer recorded data... not real world in my book....
the magazines seldom visit a real drag strip when testing the cars, it's all computer recorded data... not real world in my book....
AAKVIPER
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When a stick car is driven correctly..Kyle Lemish is a normal guy who..
owned more than 20 late-model Corvettes and has been drag racing them as long.. Notice the proper launch control usage and proper power shifting..... ... result 10.66 at 132.92 on a 1.68 60'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2EsAz2GCHo
owned more than 20 late-model Corvettes and has been drag racing them as long.. Notice the proper launch control usage and proper power shifting..... ... result 10.66 at 132.92 on a 1.68 60'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2EsAz2GCHo
nice run in the McLaren.... <--my car...
fikse, you know how much i hate you for your previous cars, now its totally despise.
AAKVIPER
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Re: A more relevant race would be a 2013 VIPER vers the McLaren
I would love to see that duel clutch condition after 15 hard runs...from what I read these duel clutches need a cool time and can fail if they get to hot... (read that in one of the mags as well)..The T-56 no such problems..
I would love to see that duel clutch condition after 15 hard runs...from what I read these duel clutches need a cool time and can fail if they get to hot... (read that in one of the mags as well)..The T-56 no such problems..
FikseGTS
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Re: When a stick car is driven correctly..Kyle Lemish is a normal guy who..
Don't forget you also need perfect track prep, perfect weather, good driver and that only seems to happen by those few guys at those couple tracks, 99% of the times are not even close to that...
Don't forget you also need perfect track prep, perfect weather, good driver and that only seems to happen by those few guys at those couple tracks, 99% of the times are not even close to that...
FikseGTS
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Re: A more relevant race would be a 2013 VIPER vers the McLaren
No issues at all in my McLaren or GTR hot lapping them down the drag strip.... can't say the same from my experience with ZR1s and Vipers, having clutch fluid contamination and having to clean out the reservoir to get more passes at the drag strip. I used to bring a turkey baster and fluid with me to the track....
No issues at all in my McLaren or GTR hot lapping them down the drag strip.... can't say the same from my experience with ZR1s and Vipers, having clutch fluid contamination and having to clean out the reservoir to get more passes at the drag strip. I used to bring a turkey baster and fluid with me to the track....
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Here is an episode Top Gear USA that ran the new Viper, McLaren, and Lambo across the US. Pretty cool episode.
http://www.history.com/shows/top-gear/videos/top-gear-coast-to-coast
The McLaren is a sick ride. I saw one at Starbacks last year in February driving in the rain. Car was awesome sounding. Didnt even know what the car was and I am usually pretty good at that.
http://www.history.com/shows/top-gear/videos/top-gear-coast-to-coast
The McLaren is a sick ride. I saw one at Starbacks last year in February driving in the rain. Car was awesome sounding. Didnt even know what the car was and I am usually pretty good at that.
I don't believe a ZR1 will beat a MP4-12c. Just got done running my friend's bone stock ZR1. I pull him top end of 4th gear and on. We're dead even from 60 and up in 2nd gear. I'm making 570whp/580wtq on 8lbs with water/****. Stock headers/exhaust and just a baby 2.4L Roe.
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Nine Ball
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Stock ZR1 will not beat a 12C. ZR1 trap high 120s, the 12C traps mid-130s. 5 mph is quite a difference. A ZR1 with a simple pulley swap will net over 600 rwhp though, which will run door to door with the 12C.
AAKVIPER
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Have you ran against the McLaren? Maybe you will walk him too.
AAKVIPER
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12C traps mid-130s. I beg to differ 11.1 sec @ 129.4 mph 2012 McLaren MP4-12C First Test..Motor trend..11.4 sec @ 128.8 mph 11.4 sec @ 128.7 mph for Vette and Viper These cars are not that far off..as my original premise was that the newer Viper and Vette are a better match to the Mclaren. Subsequently the the Vette and Viper are probably faster around the track. Just saying...
Read more:
Mclaren
test below..keep reading till you get to the bottom of the page.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/exotic/1203_2012_mclaren_mp4_12c_first_test/viewall.html
2013 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 vs. 2013 SRT Viper GTS
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests..._zr1_srt_viper_gts/viewall.html#ixzz2fSamm2j8
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests...rolet_corvette_zr1_srt_viper_gts/viewall.html
FikseGTS
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forget the magazines, I've personally run 10.3 @ 134.9 MPH in my McLaren.... I've made about 30 passes on 4 different days and the car never ran in the 11's... all in the 10's.... others have run well into the 10's as well...
I've raced a ZR1 that had exhaust at the track and from a roll and walked him easily... I also ran the Gen V Viper from a roll, same result, the McLaren is quite a bit quicker and faster...
3,118 pounds, 625HP and a DCT transmission is very hard to beat stock wise.. you better bring an Aventador to have chance, or a Veyron or better to beat it...
I've raced a ZR1 that had exhaust at the track and from a roll and walked him easily... I also ran the Gen V Viper from a roll, same result, the McLaren is quite a bit quicker and faster...
3,118 pounds, 625HP and a DCT transmission is very hard to beat stock wise.. you better bring an Aventador to have chance, or a Veyron or better to beat it...
12C traps mid-130s. I beg to differ 11.1 sec @ 129.4 mph 2012 McLaren MP4-12C First Test..Motor trend..11.4 sec @ 128.8 mph 11.4 sec @ 128.7 mph for Vette and Viper These cars are not that far off..as my original premise was that the newer Viper and Vette are a better match to the Mclaren. Subsequently the the Vette and Viper are probably faster around the track. Just saying...
Read more:
Mclaren
test below..keep reading till you get to the bottom of the page.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/exotic/1203_2012_mclaren_mp4_12c_first_test/viewall.html
2013 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 vs. 2013 SRT Viper GTS
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests..._zr1_srt_viper_gts/viewall.html#ixzz2fSamm2j8
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests...rolet_corvette_zr1_srt_viper_gts/viewall.html
AAKVIPER
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Re: A more relevant race would be a 2013 VIPER vers the McLaren
Do you own a Nissan GT-R? If so please read on... Nissan settles GT-R duel clutch transmission class action suit involving the launch Control system which could result in catastrophic gearbox failure and a $20,000 repair bill which was not covered under Nissan’s warranty. Remember that?
I likewise own a Vette and Viper. Track them for years and never had to use a turkey baster and or bring fluid with me to the track? Any other Viper owners have this problem?
Do you own a Nissan GT-R? If so please read on... Nissan settles GT-R duel clutch transmission class action suit involving the launch Control system which could result in catastrophic gearbox failure and a $20,000 repair bill which was not covered under Nissan’s warranty. Remember that?
I likewise own a Vette and Viper. Track them for years and never had to use a turkey baster and or bring fluid with me to the track? Any other Viper owners have this problem?
AAKVIPER
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Why forget the mags? They are a base line, and have been for years.
On the other side of the coin, I bet one can find a plethora of ZR- 1 owners personally running incredibly awesome numbers as well. Logical conclusion.
FikseGTS
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Re: A more relevant race would be a 2013 VIPER vers the McLaren
I've had 3 GT-R's my friend was the class rep in that suit, that was 5 years ago with the very early cars, no more issues like that after they revised the transmission programming...
you can break any car with wheel hop and abuse...
I've had 3 GT-R's my friend was the class rep in that suit, that was 5 years ago with the very early cars, no more issues like that after they revised the transmission programming...
you can break any car with wheel hop and abuse...
speedracervr4
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I think you guys should agree to disagree.
FikseGTS
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let's see some stock 10 second ZR1s outside those northeast tracks driven by those few good drivers...
FikseGTS
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or he can backup up the keyboard chatter with some real world driving with his cars...
AAKVIPER
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I did not mean to get you upset, each car we discussed has a strong following. In my opinion they are all awesome sport's cars. Mclaren is a fabulous car. The Vette, Viper, Ferrari 458, and a few other true sport's cars are at the top of the food chain as well.
What I am curious about is the upcoming ZR 1 and Z 06. Rumored to have a true race bread sequential manual transmission forgoing the duel clutch option. HP will be close too or over the 700 mark on the ZR 1. A am sure our beloved Viper will match or surpass the Vette.
Arthur
FikseGTS
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I hope so, would love to the Viper kill em all but SRT has to move on tech wise, I don't think adding more and more power with old tech is the solution...
The American cars are just about the only ones left with no DCT options... McLaren, Ferrari, Porsche, Nissan, Audi, Lamborghini, Bugatti, BMW, Mercedes are all moving on...
The American cars are just about the only ones left with no DCT options... McLaren, Ferrari, Porsche, Nissan, Audi, Lamborghini, Bugatti, BMW, Mercedes are all moving on...
I did not mean to get you upset, each car we discussed has a strong following. In my opinion they are all awesome sport's cars. Mclaren is a fabulous car. The Vette, Viper, Ferrari 458, and a few other true sport's cars are at the top of the food chain as well.
What I am curious about is the upcoming ZR 1 and Z 06. Rumored to have a true race bread sequential manual transmission forgoing the duel clutch option. HP will be close to or over the 700 mark on the ZR 1. A am sure our beloved Viper will match or surpass the Vette.
Arthur
I would call a slow pull from 140+ "walking" a ZR1 lol. Considering the mid 130's trap time of the Mclaren, I highly doubt I can pull one. I'd be more than happy to try though! For the record, I've ran a 11.10 @ 128mph on a 85 degree day in the late afternoon. Was booted from the track before I can try the cold air.
AZMotorgod
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Theres an orange one in town here in Sierra Vista, AZ. $240k car. You could make your Viper 2X faster with 1/2 the cost if you really wanted. Twin Turbos as stated before. Lucky the guy that drove it even wanted to race you in the first place.
3.2 sec 0-60 and 10.9 in the 1/4 mile. Pretty fast in stock trim. **** car.
Oh and please race in my jurisdiction next time. We've been wanting a MP4-12C Police interceptor for a while!! Pretty hard to say, "It was the other orange MP4-12C officer I swear...."
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