Please, stop bashing the gen v

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I'm going to unplug this weekend. Driving to the Western Slope of Colorado in the Viper. People will be giving me the thumbs up, chicks screaming, horns honking and cameras flashing the whole way. Then I'm coming back and tracking it.

I love this car. My ears are deaf to the naysayers.
 

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I may have sounded like I was slighting the car. I did not mean to. My point was that SRT seems to be out of touch with todays reality.
 

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All I think is - the best thing SRT did was the gen5, the car is awesome. The worst thing SRT is pretty much everything else. Don't mean to bash, but not sure how the marketing side can be defended, from current loyalists to new marketing. I haven't felt like there's been a bunch of car bashing, there are some trolls in this forum, but other than them, seems pretty hard to bash on a track record holding **** as hell new Viper. How much this forum impacts things, who knows, I wouldn't think much. But this forum is pretty much crap. I've left it 3 times now and then come back to see what's up. A few guys making god use to share tech info and help, but yea a lot of crap and posting of negative mag articles which is irritating, but what are you going to do. Plus with the clubs strained relationship we have no engineer chats, no new news, there's something missing when visiting this forum. Maybe time will heal all, but I understand the frustration and share it. I suspect in the spring I'll be a gen5 owner, just waiting out the winter in case something interesting happens. I really hope SRT get squared away, maybe they do have something big coming with another vehicle that's distracting from the viper effort, I dunno. I know some don't think it matters, but I can tell you that the availability of power packages or opening the PCM for the after market would speed my decision to buy, and I think others would too, many who buy beast cars do want to mod them thru the OEM or after market.
 

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Well-according to me:
Most incredible looking ride on the road!
Gets more fun everyday!
Superior handling and power to most any car made!
7500 trouble free miles!
I feel like one with the car every time I sit in it!
Tight -Solid-Spectacular!
Smoothest shifting auto ever-and boy do I love to use all 6 gears-every one is perfect!
Most unique vehicle to me on the road today!
Getting a second one in the Spring!
Excitement 24/7 !
It really doesn't get any better than a Gen 5-according to me!
 

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I just love the car. If $ were no object, would trade my '08 coupe for one tomorrow and enjoy this incredible machine. I'm just thankful to own the one I have and glad SRT took the plunge to bring it back to life. Owners - enjoy!
 

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Well-according to me:
Most incredible looking ride on the road!
Gets more fun everyday!
Superior handling and power to most any car made!
7500 trouble free miles!
I feel like one with the car every time I sit in it!
Tight -Solid-Spectacular!
Smoothest shifting auto ever-and boy do I love to use all 6 gears-every one is perfect!
Most unique vehicle to me on the road today!
Getting a second one in the Spring!
Excitement 24/7 !
It really doesn't get any better than a Gen 5-according to me!
Agree 100%! Just finishing a 1500 mile fall cruise in the Adirondacks with over 6K on the odometer. Happy to be driving 1 of 426 Vipers sold new this year. If SRT never makes another, I'm happy with mine.
 

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I just love the car. If $ were no object, would trade my '08 coupe for one tomorrow and enjoy this incredible machine. I'm just thankful to own the one I have and glad SRT took the plunge to bring it back to life. Owners - enjoy!
You know, I am not sure why more people are of this opinion.

It is saddening that older generation owners aren't behind the new generation. my gen v makes me want a previous generation more now.
 

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The vette has great sales because of pricing and its outstanding aftermarket support. Being you can drop in a LSX that can 500ci NA or even 454ci and make 3000hp boost or anything in between. The LS can be tuned.

Another example is the GTR, costs about the same as a Viper, it has much better aftermarket support.

Same goes for the 911 turbo and bolster.

If you do not think aftermarket support doesn't sell a car for you, your sadly mistaken...and don't look at the data.

Would 700hp sell more cars. Yes. Remember when the G1 and G2 came out, it was head and shoulders above vette, Ferrari and porche in power out put. Even the "'mighty" C5zo6 only mustered 385-405hp to the Vipers 450-460hp...then don't forget about all that wonderful tq the viper had over them all.

I disagree. Don't water down the viper, make it meaner. Sure drop in a 426 Hemi and an 8sp auto...just add a pair of turbos and make it 750hp.

Good to see you crawl back into your den of de-nile. Lol

Seriously??? I think this is the whole point of useless bashing with no facts to back it up. For example, lets say it had 700hp. going to increase sales a ton? of course not. Aftermarket support? really, you think the masses in this price range modify their cars? My point is the same old arguments (needs more HP, needs a wider body, ACR needs to be out, needs to be less nice...) etc all are personal opinions, but would they really make more people fork out $120k? I don't think so.

I personally think the car is great as it is, but it is priced on the high side so not an obvious choice for consumers in that price range.

Ask yourself, why does the corvette sell so much more? Very simple, reasonable price, has an automatic so anyone can drive, gets good gas mileage and for the most part is reliable and has great performance for the price. People will hate this when I say it (heck I don't like saying it), but if I wanted to pump the sales of the viper and sell more cars (which should be the goal of any car manufacturer), it would be to create a version that has the hemi V8, 8sp auto, rear exhaust and priced at $70k. I know not possible to build for that price with such small #'s, but if you had much higher #'s, you probably could. Tell me that combo does not sell a ton to a wide range of folks and doesn't hit a sweet spot in the market that is missing? (or that corvette has to itself)

So, my point is most comments suggest more performance is the answer. I just question that based upon the evidence of cars selling better in the same space. If I only had one suggestion that would boost sales from a product side is jam an 8sp auto in their as quickly as possible. Not the version I would buy, but if history is true based upon other performance cars, quickly 75% folks would be ordering them.

Having said all of that, I think the car is fantastic, dealer network extremely weak at selling a product in that price range and just hope they decide to build a Conv and ACR before it is all over.

ok, back to watching.
 

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I agree that SRT should make another car to fill the gap under the Viper. Instead of "watering down" the Viper beef up the Challenger or something to keep up with a lower end Vette. The new Hellcat engines might give it a decent shot, but the bulk of the car is still the issue. Curious to see if the fabled Cuda will even come out and how it will compare with the current Challenger if they end up putting it on a new platform instead of the current LX setup.
 

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There are only 2 types of people on this board. Those who have a GenV and those who want one. Otherwise they wouldn't give a crap and wouldn't waste their time here.:headbang:
 

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The vette has great sales because of pricing and its outstanding aftermarket support. Being you can drop in a LSX that can 500ci NA or even 454ci and make 3000hp boost or anything in between. The LS can be tuned.

Another example is the GTR, costs about the same as a Viper, it has much better aftermarket support.

Same goes for the 911 turbo and bolster.

If you do not think aftermarket support doesn't sell a car for you, your sadly mistaken...and don't look at the data.

Would 700hp sell more cars. Yes. Remember when the G1 and G2 came out, it was head and shoulders above vette, Ferrari and porche in power out put. Even the "'mighty" C5zo6 only mustered 385-405hp to the Vipers 450-460hp...then don't forget about all that wonderful tq the viper had over them all.

I disagree. Don't water down the viper, make it meaner. Sure drop in a 426 Hemi and an 8sp auto...just add a pair of turbos and make it 750hp.

Good to see you crawl back into your den of de-nile. Lol

You need to back up your thoughts w/actual data. What % of new vette owners modify their cars? (very low) What proof of the magical 700hp figure gets you a big boost in sales? Just use yourself as an example. Is the 640hp vs 700hp and mods the actual reason you are not laying down $120k for the car? Then look a the buyer in the $110k-140k market as ask yourself are a high percentage of them modding their cars? How many highly modded Audi R8's and 911's have you seen? We are not talking about hopping up your Camaro/mustang here, but instead in a price range of very high quality cars. Are their folks that mod them (of course), but lets not confuse it with massive purchase decisions. No denial, just look at the facts and present them.
 

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I agree that SRT should make another car to fill the gap under the Viper. Instead of "watering down" the Viper beef up the Challenger or something to keep up with a lower end Vette. The new Hellcat engines might give it a decent shot, but the bulk of the car is still the issue. Curious to see if the fabled Cuda will even come out and how it will compare with the current Challenger if they end up putting it on a new platform instead of the current LX setup.

I agree with you but more on a selfish personal front of wanting the viper to remain unique. Unfortunately, my reason has nothing to do what is right for the business.

I think odd to suggest a Challenger or even Cuda to compete with a Corvette? Those are mustang/Camaro compete cars. If I am seriously looking at purchasing a new corvette, would I ever really look at a challenger/cuda? Now way. Would you?
 

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I'm sure people cross shop the GT500 against the corvette. A sleeker Chally or Cuda may get some sales traction in that segment... nu pun intended :D.

I agree with you but more on a selfish personal front of wanting the viper to remain unique. Unfortunately, my reason has nothing to do what is right for the business.

I think odd to suggest a Challenger or even Cuda to compete with a Corvette? Those are mustang/Camaro compete cars. If I am seriously looking at purchasing a new corvette, would I ever really look at a challenger/cuda? Now way. Would you?
 

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I agree with you but more on a selfish personal front of wanting the viper to remain unique. Unfortunately, my reason has nothing to do what is right for the business.

I think odd to suggest a Challenger or even Cuda to compete with a Corvette? Those are mustang/Camaro compete cars. If I am seriously looking at purchasing a new corvette, would I ever really look at a challenger/cuda? Now way. Would you?
How can you know? you've never even seen this car...
 

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Come on guys, enough is enough. The negative comments, second guessing, complaining, percieved short comings etc., etc., has been going on for way to long. I understand your frustrations, however, I feel they have become damaging.

Aside from pushing several Gen V owners off the forum, it's done nothing to draw any of the hundreds of new owners here, not to mention scaring away many potential buyers, who have come to the Gen V forum for insight into the car, in anticipation of purchasing a new one. There is also the demoralizing factor that affects SRT management and employees, CAAP assemblers, Viper dealers, and probably Sergio also, who gave the go ahead to build the Gen V.

I fully agree SRT marketing is a disaster and well desreves the ass kicking they get here, but the Gen V is still the best Viper yet. We are all Viper owners and/or Viper enthusiats, so lets start acting that way towards the car...it may be a good start in helping sales and/or further development of the Gen V. For those of you who feel SRT has lost their love for us...keep in mind, love is a two way street.

If the goose that laid the golden egg eventually gets killed, fingers will point in our direction too!

I'll take you back a few years. I was one of the first to purchase the GENIII and WOW it was worst then this. The site started
the GENIII section and that was being bashed also. Dont know if you remember but the only place to post really was the
GENI/II forum. Alot of people were saying how ugly it was. Let me tell ya made me feel like crap. I bought 2 more of the
GENIII's and loved everything about them. It took awhile for the new design te well received but it happen. So hang in there
things change and i bet it gets alot better. One more point, from all the negative comments i was always able to get a
smoking deal, so it does have its benefits. Let them bash you will be the one who wins.
 
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The vette has great sales because of pricing and its outstanding aftermarket support. Being you can drop in a LSX that can 500ci NA or even 454ci and make 3000hp boost or anything in between. The LS can be tuned.

Another example is the GTR, costs about the same as a Viper, it has much better aftermarket support.

Same goes for the 911 turbo and bolster.

If you do not think aftermarket support doesn't sell a car for you, your sadly mistaken...and don't look at the data.

Would 700hp sell more cars. Yes. Remember when the G1 and G2 came out, it was head and shoulders above vette, Ferrari and porche in power out put. Even the "'mighty" C5zo6 only mustered 385-405hp to the Vipers 450-460hp...then don't forget about all that wonderful tq the viper had over them all.

I disagree. Don't water down the viper, make it meaner. Sure drop in a 426 Hemi and an 8sp auto...just add a pair of turbos and make it 750hp.

Good to see you crawl back into your den of de-nile. Lol

Hey, get back in your own dugout...or start your own grab ass thread! This is a serious topic!
 

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How can you know? you've never even seen this car...

because you are comparing a 4 seater to a 2 seater. apples and oranges. Like I said, picture yourself seriously going to buy a corvette. Your are going to cross-ship a mustang/Camaro/etc? really? just don't get it other than it really meant you were not really interested in a 2 seater...
 

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I have driven and worked on numerous Gen 5's, they are great cars. The issues I have seen are minor and often get resolved properly.

Even with some bad press, which is often one sided or reflected by poorly performing abused press cars. This is one amazing car.

For those looking for ultra-supercar performance, this new car, with a little more power, better brakes and some chassis upgrades will outperform cars 3 times its price, including the best Porsche has to offer ( I run Vipers at POC).

Just give this new car some time to settle it, its a winner.
 

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I don't own a Gen v yet, I never modded or tracked my car yet, I hate the disastrous sales SRT did and I love the resurrection they did. I don't care about much of the negative people because the Viper has always been about that special relationship. Bugs or no bugs I'm gonna buy my Viper.
 

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I have driven and worked on numerous Gen 5's, they are great cars. The issues I have seen are minor and often get resolved properly.

Even with some bad press, which is often one sided or reflected by poorly performing abused press cars. This is one amazing car.

For those looking for ultra-supercar performance, this new car, with a little more power, better brakes and some chassis upgrades will outperform cars 3 times its price, including the best Porsche has to offer ( I run Vipers at POC).

Just give this new car some time to settle it, its a winner.

Heck! the GEN V is already outperforming cars 3Xs its price. Everyone who's complaining the GEN V (pre-production) was outpaced by the C6 ZR1 at Laguna needs to look at the list of cars (12C, Aventador, GTR, etc.) the pre-production mule did outperform. Both GM and SRT need to be commended.
 

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Heck! the GEN V is already outperforming cars 3Xs its price. Everyone who's complaining the GEN V (pre-production) was outpaced by the C6 ZR1 at Laguna needs to look at the list of cars (12C, Aventador, GTR, etc.) the pre-production mule did outperform. Both GM and SRT need to be commended.
Here here. Also, what car comes close to the torque the Gen V has? It is bone crunching.
 

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Has anyone else noticed how the new GTS-R's are doing in racing? They already beat their main rival Corvette once with one car finishing FIRST, participated in the 24 hours of Le Mans driving all the way to the finish and both cars are consistently hunting for the podium spots during the other races. Nobody seems to mention this point of light and positivity anywhere.

There are other negatives at play that outgrow the ones posted in magazines which all fact and reality mined people know to have an anti-Viper bias: the end of this year's driving season, and the current state of the economy in which people are rightfully more concerned with being able to keep their source of income that would otherwise be used for the purchase of such a luxury item as a sportscar.
 

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One thing I don't get is how people can say that Vipers always got "bad press" throughout the ages. My recollection was that during the years between 1991 and 1998 Vipers were getting great press. Sure, some of the magazines said some things that were based on "personal opinion" like calling the car "cartoonish" - but the reality is I have several boxes of old magazines where journalists were extolling the virtues of the car like crazy. Things like "perfect steering", "incredible balance on the track", "more torque than a locomotive", "insanely fun", "so much fun that it should be illegal", "more of a race car than a street car" were constantly being said. Sure, there were gripes about the gear rattle, the heavy clutch, the funny sounding V10, the notchy shifter, the sparse interior - but when it came down to it, after I read each article I was more in love with the car than I was before.

If you look back at old issues, Motor Trend was the biggest Viper-loving magazine out there - they were the only publication that always put a positive spin on the car. They looked at it like it was something special, a real driver's car, and they didn't compare it to other cars like they would, say, a Camry. Things have changed these days, and maybe it's because the whole world has changed.

The Gen V is a great car, and customers get a lot for the money. I think it's the "best" Viper to date when you look at what you get for the money (not necessarily if you add some of the luxury options...). As far as a lot of those things go, I personally got spoiled by my Gen IV ACR and that's the high-water mark that I compare everything else to. The Gen V will really come into its own when a no-frills, scary-as-hell, weapon of mass destruction ACR is released. That will be where SRT engineering and marketing have their chance to really be appreciated. The base car is great - but it's evolved so far beyond what the Viper was all about in the very beginning. What hopefully will happen is that something comes out and redefine the car and re-positions it as something in a class all its own.

Remember the big debates ages ago about whether the Viper was a supercar, a sports car, or a muscle car? People got annoyed at those debates - but it was those debates that defined the car. It wasn't any of those things, but at the same time it was all of them.

This is just my personal opinion - so take it for what it's worth (probably nothing). It was the Gen IV ACR that saved Viper from extinction. That car got so much good press, and was such a no-nonsense over-the-top piece of craziness that it put Viper back on the map. If the standard Gen IV was the only thing available before the world fell apart in '08/'09, I think we would have seen the Viper disappear quietly. The same may happen now - if the chance isn't taken to release something insane like a Gen V ACR, the world may just forget about the Viper.

On that note, when the TA came out, several friends of mine who are anti-Viper people brought me magazines and were marveling at the fact that the car performed so well and appeared to be such an ass-kicker for such a reasonable price. And that was just the TA - just wait till an ACR is in the hands of a magazine test driver. We'll see a whole new level of buzz in the marketplace.
 

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Here here. Also, what car comes close to the torque the Gen V has? It is bone crunching.

You know what's really sad? Owners of those higher-end, more expensive cars bested by the Viper at Laguna aren't on their respective websites crying about it. Although the C6 ZR1 outpaced the GEN V during the Motortrend test, Viper owners should be pounding their chests about the cars it beat. GM was able to improve the lap times of the ZR1 at Laguna by two seconds over their initial Motortrend test in '09. The biggest difference was the tires and upgrades to the MR shocks. Imagine what SRT will be able to do in four years...if the Viper is still here in four years.
 

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Don't know where you are looking but only a handful have a sticker in this price range. My GTS was bought for 125k and there is not a car on the planet that can touch it in 1. performance, 2. looks/head turns and 3. exclusiveness!! Yes, there may be a car faster in a STRAIGHT line, yes an Aventador MIGHT get more looks and yes a Bugatti might be more exclusive but name a car that has all 3 for 125k....NOT EVEN CLOSE!!
The gen v is the best viper yet. You are 100% right. But it isn't the best CAR for 130-160k. That is the problem. Maybe this will make them go back to the drawing board and make it better for next year. Track car needs a dry sump oil system for one.
 

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Amusing people complain about the QA issues of the Gen V, but go gander at the C7 forums and seemingly many problems are rearing their ugly heads. Hope they can get them sorted, ***** for new buyers to have 100 miles on the car and their rear diff seize up.
 

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