Will SRT's Marketing Department Kill the Viper Brand?

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Unfortunately, I think so. And if for no other reason, the mere existence of the C7 Stingray, its price, its marketing, its reviews, its capabilities, etc may crush Viper. It seems that SRT marketing has literally done 95% of it wrong and GM has so far done 100% of it right. GM's own marketing has been impeccable. Now look what they have done:

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/25/chevy-corvette-biometric-drivers-video/

I feel sad that a car (Viper) that I first saw 25 years ago will be gone...not by the economy, not by lack of enthusiasts: I would be okay with that. But because of a bungled up marketing plan (or lack there of): I'm not okay with that.
 

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I know what your saying, but you can't compare marketing on a budget friendly mass produced sports car to a hand made limited production exotic auto. If you were comparing it to marketing of the ZR-1, then I could see your point.....

I never understood way automakers refused to do proper marketing for their halo sports cars. Audi doesn't do it for the R-8 neither does Porsche, BMW, Benz or Nissan. I'm guessing that the automakers feel that since these cars are not money makers for them; it's just not worth the advertising. I was kinda hoping that Dodge would be different from the rest and actually do some real marketing for the car......Guess not... :(
 
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At this point I just want to see them do something, anything to show they still care about this cars image and theirs.
 
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I know what your saying, but you can't compare marketing on a budget friendly mass produced sports car to a hand made limited production exotic auto.(

But see, that's the interesting thing. They don't have to spend a boat load to have a platform that results in a solid marketing program. They just need to have a talented, intelligent crew. For example, test drives are pretty much free. Do they offer them to even the most loyal enthusiasts or previous buyers...NO! They don't even treat SRT owners with any more respect than a used minivan owner. Just look at Kris' story (the Launch Edition that was bought back). Regardless of the budget, they seemed to have bungled so many of the limited marketing "ideas" that have had.

Whatever money they do have seems to be spent/wasted on racing. I doubt that has increased sales by even 1. I almost think that the racing program is there for selfish reasons. They have fun going to races and racing Vipers themselves. If they would have put that money into selling 2K cars/year, we wouldn't have to worry about the future of the brand. And, 1/3 of the workforce at CAAP would not have been relocated.
 
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What is most puzzling to me is why SRT would not have consulted its cousin's ( Ferrari) marketing function, since Ferrari has always had, as long as I can remember, incredible marketing. With that said, it appears to me that the marketing problems appear to be mostly in execution and follow through which suggests insufficient oversight. For instance, there does not seem to be enough of a connection established between the racing program and the Viper SRT and GTS. For example, a simple video could be made showing an SRT with aero going around a road course track side by side with the race car at speed. Or, each car by themselves and then merge the videos so they are side by side. Or, start with the race car and morph the car into the SRT Viper or GTS Viper with aero. Simple videos. Simple message. Cool sights and sounds. Then play the ad on the British version of the car show we all like. The American version is pathetic.
 

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" But see, that's the interesting thing. They don't have to spend a boat load to have a platform that results in a solid marketing program. They just need to have a talented, intelligent crew. For example, test drives are pretty much free. Do they offer them to even the most loyal enthusiasts or previous buyers...NO! They don't even treat SRT owners with any more respect than a used minivan owner. Just look at Kris' story (the Launch Edition that was bought back). Regardless of the budget, they seemed to have bungled so many of the limited marketing "ideas" that have had. "

I see your point...But realistically I can't SRT allowing customers to take a 100k car and beat it into the ground for a test drive...

SRT does do something for it's loyal fan base...It's called the SRT DRIVE EXPERIENCE....It's a free test drive and driving lesson of any SRT vehicle ( except the viper ) on a race track with a licensed professional. This package comes free with the purchase of any new SRT vehicle...You'd be surprised at how many people don't cash in on this great experience when they purchase an SRT Vehicle. Only about 10% of purchasers use this option...

As for Kris's story about the launch edition that was brought back...My understanding was that his issue was more of a problem with the dealership than with SRT ( I could be wrong..but it appeared that way ).....

Dodge definitely needs to step up it's advertising and promotions of the new Viper...Just cause the other automakers don't do commercials for there halo sports cars..That doesn't mean that Dodge should follow suit. I remember going to the Viper Reveal Gala in New York City; listening to Ralph Giles answer a question of wether there would be commercials for the new Viper; he answered: " Does Ferrari make Car Commercials? "....And I remember thinking to myself...So What!!...Why do we need to be like Ferrari?!?...
 

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SRT as a brand should be euthanized, it was a bad idea that just got worse. If people in charge of SRT take Viper off life support, they will do it to save their jobs, to fix their own incompetence. Marketing did not kill Viper, lack of substantial improvements and bad leadership did. Maybe Tata should buy Viper? They did a great job with Jaguar, as currently shown by F type success.
Unfortunately, I think so. And if for no other reason, the mere existence of the C7 Stingray, its price, its marketing, its reviews, its capabilities, etc may crush Viper. It seems that SRT marketing has literally done 95% of it wrong and GM has so far done 100% of it right. GM's own marketing has been impeccable. Now look what they have done:

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/25/chevy-corvette-biometric-drivers-video/

I feel sad that a car (Viper) that I first saw 25 years ago will be gone...not by the economy, not by lack of enthusiasts: I would be okay with that. But because of a bungled up marketing plan (or lack there of): I'm not okay with that.
 

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SRT as a brand should be euthanized, it was a bad idea that just got worse. If people in charge of SRT take Viper off life support, they will do it to save their jobs, to fix their own incompetence. Marketing did not kill Viper, lack of substantial improvements and bad leadership did. Maybe Tata should buy Viper? They did a great job with Jaguar, as currently shown by F type success.

And you know this because you have driven the gen v and probably work for SRT. Good grief the haters on these forums these days...... :rolleyes:
 

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And you know this because you have driven the gen v and probably work for SRT. Good grief the haters on these forums these days...... :rolleyes:
If I am a hater, what does that make you? A freedom fighter?:rolleyes: How can I drive new Viper if nobody is even allowed to sit in one? But yes, driving the car would alleviate any issues related to its design, just gotta buy one first to find out.
 
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SRT does do something for it's loyal fan base...It's called the SRT DRIVE EXPERIENCE.

That's for people after they buy the car. It's useless for getting people in the door and they definitely don't buy a car to get the SRT Experience.

I've been to multiple SRT Experiences. I think they are below average. BMW just had a FREE event for any person (previous buyer or not). I drove a $110K M6 like "I stole it". Guess what all 100 people at the event thought afterward!
 
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Good grief the haters on these forums these days...... :rolleyes:

We are not haters...quite the opposite. We care, which is why we are so disappointed. It's like parents who see their kids doing stupid things. They will get upset and demand changes. The parents that sit on the sidelines and pretend that everything is okay are the true haters.
 

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We are not haters...quite the opposite. We care, which is why we are so disappointed. It's like parents who see their kids doing stupid things. They will get upset and demand changes. The parents that sit on the sidelines and pretend that everything is okay are the true haters.
You cannot reason with these people. If you dare to demand progress, you are a "hater troll"

Since you cannot even sit in a new Viper, maybe SRT should install one of these at their "dealerships"

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since I do not think new Viper switched to using Aerogel?
 

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If I am a hater, what does that make you? A freedom fighter?:rolleyes: How can I drive new Viper if nobody is even allowed to sit in one? But yes, driving the car would alleviate any issues related to its design, just gotta buy one first to find out.

Find another dealer. Call them in advance.
 

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Find another dealer. Call them in advance.
I just came back from test driving F type and XKR, without any appointment. Are you suggesting I should call the Dodge dealer to find out if they will open the car for me? I think I'll pass.
 

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I just came back from test driving F type and XKR, without any appointment. Are you suggesting I should call the Dodge dealer to find out if they will open the car for me? I think I'll pass.

If calling up a dealer in advance is too much trouble for you, it is clear you were never serious about purchasing one in the first place. When I was buying my Gen V, I called in advance and I was offered a test drive at every dealer I contacted them at. I talked to the sales manager if that makes any difference.
 
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If calling up a dealer in advance is too much trouble for you, it is clear you were never serious about purchasing one in the first place. When I was buying my Gen V, I called in advance and I was offered a test drive at every dealer I contacted them at. I talked to the sales manager if that makes any difference.

I only know of 3 dealer in the country who will offer a test drive, but only if they know you are a serious buyer.
 

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I only know of 3 dealer in the country who will offer a test drive, but only if they know you are a serious buyer.

Well of course they want to know if you are a serious buyer. If you aren't a serious buyer, why are you wasting your time and dealership's time?

Did you mean that you are a serious buyer and they aren't taking you seriously?
 
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Well of course they want to know if you are a serious buyer. If you aren't a serious buyer, why are you wasting your time and dealership's time?

Did you mean that you are a serious buyer and they aren't taking you seriously?

We have to acknowledge that it is hard for dealers to know who is serious or even capable of buying a Viper. That said, many dealers do not offer test drives regardless of who you are. There are many testimonials of this on the forums. While I believe that dealers need to be more in tune with buyers of Viper, I believe SRT needs to step up and offer alternatives to testing the car. SRT Experience doesn't even allow you to experience the Viper! What a joke.
 

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What is most puzzling to me is why SRT would not have consulted its cousin's ( Ferrari) marketing function, since Ferrari has always had, as long as I can remember, incredible marketing.
Ah yes, let's listen in on Luca de Montezemolo's words of wisdom ...

[ringtone "Woman" by Wolf Mother perturbs the atmosphere at La Pergola]

LdM: [glances at caller ID] [facepalm, heavy sigh] [answers anyway] Pronto.

RG: Yo Luca, it's Ralph. Got a minute?

LdM: Ah, wait one. [looks around the table at Silvio Berlusconi and half a dozen supermodels, stage-whispers it's that "cool guy" from SRT again, they all collapse in stifled giggles] But of course. How may I serve you today?

RG: I'll tell you straight, I got about 500 Vipers sitting like so many paperweights and winter's coming on. You seem to be pretty good at moving expensive cars. I think we should tell all SRT dealers that they must offer test drives to qualified prospects. Sound good to you?

LdM: Except perhaps for our FF pickup truck, all Ferraris have a two-year waiting list and dealers cannot keep them in stock. What is this "test drive" you speak of?

RG: Come to think of it, we had a waiting list too, where many of our most loyal customers plunked down huge deposits months in advance after seeing the prototype all over the news.

LdM: And you rewarded them by making sure they got the very first cars before anyone else, no?

RG: [clears throat] Upon reflection, we felt it was more important to provide dealers with showroom candy to drive sales of Rams and Darts. Viper fanatics understood this without our having to explain.

LdM: [makes face as if he had just stepped in dog poo] That is the most brilliant thing I have heard all day.

[Berlusconi urgently holds up a table napkin reading "Put it on speaker!" as the supermodels clap in agreement. LdM does so with a wide grin.]

RG: Thank you. How else can we get our brand out there? Remember, our marketing budget is about $1.98.

LdM: Product placement has worked well for us. Ferris Bueller, Miami Vice, Magnum P.I., Cannonball Run, Rush, a few hundred other films and television series. This is the kind of advertising that money cannot buy.

RG: We had our own TV show. It was even called "Viper." And I think Angelina Jolie drove one in a movie once.

[Berlusconi pounds the table, tears of laughter streaming down his face]

LdM: [shushes him with a wave] Excellent, but don't stop with her. Build your celebrity clientele. We began with Peter Sellers and Elvis long ago, now everybody from Schwarzenegger and Stallone to Paris Hilton and Justin Bieber. There is no such thing as bad publicity, my friend. Who are some great names driving Vipers?

RG: Bon Jovi, and, ah ...

LdM: I see. When all else fails, win on Sunday and sell on Thursday, or whatever it is you Americans say. How is your racing?

RG: [brightens] We are doing very well in our second season of the American LeMans series.

[Berlusconi falls off chair, curled up laughing on the floor]

LdM: Congratulations. Let me guess--Nielsen ratings for telecasts of last week's ALMS race are in the neighborhood of 0.0001?

RG: If that.

LdM: How long will it take you to win enough victories and podiums to accumulate sixteen World Constructor Championships, seventeen World Driver Championships, hundreds of millions of screaming fans all over the planet, and hundreds of millions of dollars every season from prize money and sponsors?

RG: Longer than it took you, I imagine.

LdM: You know, I really like you, so I'll tell you a secret--Ferrari might clear a few euros from selling actual Ferraris, but far more profitable is our merchandising. Every week, emails go out to millions of Tifosi in over 100 countries with tasteful, classy advertising for fine watches, apparel, luggage, sporting goods, jewelry, fashion accessories, posters, books, office supplies, and so forth, all bearing our Scuderia shield that more or less doubles the price. These products are available online and at Ferrari dealers and boutique stores worldwide, as well as our theme park in Abu Dhabi, and people can't get enough of anything with the Prancing Horse on a yellow background. I presume you have similar plans.

RG: [startled] Who the hell is going to buy stuff with a poisonous snake on it?

LdM: We seem to live in very different worlds. [Berlusconi gives a thumbs up. "F'in A, bro!"] Now we must at last address the product itself. What has your Viper to offer?

RG: Two-seat hatchback coupe, steel frame with aluminum and carbon fiber bodywork, rear wheel drive 8.4L 640hp 600tq V10, 200+mph, [email protected] 1/4mi, 1.05 lateral g, 14.65 ft^3 cargo space ...

LdM: No, not all that. How does it feel? How does it look?

RG: It feels like a race car for the street. The few who've bought it rave about how much fun it is to drive, and the admiring crowds, and how happy they are with their purchase. And it looks like Halle Berry lying on the beach sideways naked.

LdM: Mama Mia! How fast is it, really?

RG: At Laguna Seca it holds many records, even over the C6 ZR1. It certainly beats any Ferrari 458 by several seconds at a third of the price.

LdM: [harrumph] Easy there, Signore Zheel. But now that you bring this up, how much does it cost?

RG: MSRP of most examples ranges from $120,000 to $140,000.

LdM: That certainly is less than a 458, I must concede.

RG: Many dealers are asking $10-50,000 market adjustment.

LdM: Right next to all those econoboxes, family sedans, sport-utes, pony cars, and monster trucks? How is this working out for you?

RG: We have no control over them. Potential customers laugh hysterically and order new C7 Corvettes at half the price and there's nothing I can do about it.

LdM: And you think I can? If I had a world-class product like yours, combined with Ferrari's 60 years of heritage, I suppose I could.

RG: That's why I'm calling. Now that we're part of the Fiat family and all, you should be selling Vipers at Ferrari dealers. Think of the synergies!

LdM: [pinches bridge of nose, shakes head sadly] I tell you what, I'll call Sergio in the morning and I'm sure he'll approve. [ends call, rolls eyes] Said no one ever.

Berlusconi: You guys should get a room.

LdM: Ha! No, WE should get a room. Ladies ... [they all giggle delightedly and follow him out]

With that said, it appears to me that the marketing problems appear to be mostly in execution and follow through which suggests insufficient oversight. For instance, there does not seem to be enough of a connection established between the racing program and the Viper SRT and GTS. For example, a simple video could be made showing an SRT with aero going around a road course track side by side with the race car at speed. Or, each car by themselves and then merge the videos so they are side by side. Or, start with the race car and morph the car into the SRT Viper or GTS Viper with aero. Simple videos. Simple message. Cool sights and sounds. Then play the ad on the British version of the car show we all like. The American version is pathetic.
I don't think it's that simple, I'm afraid.
 

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It's beyond me why on a local level, dealers don't use the halo car to advertise and get people into the store. They might not buy a viper but they might use the awe and prestige of the Viper to sell something lesser in the lineup. The same strategy srt should be using on the national level. I have always thought this
 

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I've bought 12 Viper, test drove 0 of them, sat in 0 of them

That said, you can't expect t steal customers away from Porsche (who let you take anything under $200K for a test drive) without a sit in and a drive.
 
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I've bought 12 Viper, test drove 0 of them, sat in 0 of them

That said, you can't expect t steal customers away from Porsche (who let you take anything under $200K for a test drive) without a sit in and a drive.

Same here, but as you eluded, Viper needs to go after the buyers that need to be convinced. They already got the blind buyers...all 400 of them! They're screwed from here on out if they can't get the guys on the fence or the guys who own other products.
 
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Ah yes, let's listen in on Luca de Montezemolo's words of wisdom ...

Hilarious! Classic! Brilliant! And sadly, true. You hit all the points in your script...seriously, how long did it take you to write that up?
 

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EXCELLENT !! The correct direction is usually the most SIMPLE- just not Easy!!
 
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