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I am still here and not banned yet :).
Still love the Viper and waiting to drive another one to confirm my first opinion.
A hell of a bargain at 85K.
For the guys that do dragstrip and street runs, the Viper has lost its edge. Plain and simple when you can get owned by a tuned 2wd sedan and the top dogs run high 10s stock (Back in the 90s, the Viper did beat those supercars).
Now, a CTS wagon with $10K of mods will be in the 9s. Show me any Gen 5s in the low 10s or even 9s. Sorry but SRT missed the boat...
Two modded Vipers ran at FL2K last week and ran high tens if I remember correctly. Nothing to be proud of.
The snake needs a factory version with TT, DCT, LC, and open ECU. Until then, I am on the side line.
 

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ACR teaser suggests some big news is coming to SEMA in a couple of weeks. Even as the car exists in present form, it's one of the best bang for the buck performance/exotic/ super cars in the market today. The price point shopper has the Evora, 911, GT-R, Z06, Viper & Granturismo. The Viper is the only one in its price point that has the low production numbers, hand built component, exclusivity factor, performance, AND for five figures.

Talking about a modded car versus a factory build is apples and oranges comparison. You also can't judge the car based upon one or two drives. The break in period is 500 mike's. The shifter loosens up around 1000 miles. The car has a different personality after its oil is changed and once you bond with it. I'm 1.5 years in and I feel like I'm driving a different car than I was a year ago.

If the trolls put their money where their mouth is and bought one, maybe they wouldn't be so labeled.
 

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ACR teaser suggests some big news is coming to SEMA in a couple of weeks. Even as the car exists in present form, it's one of the best bang for the buck performance/exotic/ super cars in the market today. The price point shopper has the Evora, 911, GT-R, Z06, Viper & Granturismo. The Viper is the only one in its price point that has the low production numbers, hand built component, exclusivity factor, performance, AND for five figures.

Talking about a modded car versus a factory build is apples and oranges comparison. You also can't judge the car based upon one or two drives. The break in period is 500 mike's. The shifter loosens up around 1000 miles. The car has a different personality after its oil is changed and once you bond with it. I'm 1.5 years in and I feel like I'm driving a different car than I was a year ago.

If the trolls put their money where their mouth is and bought one, maybe they wouldn't be so labeled.

Yes!! Is all i have to say.
 

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Show me a tuned only Gen Vs running mid 10s?
Show me any kind of modded Gen V that runs 9s?
Plenty of CTS-V, GTRs, ZR1, P911TT running these times in humid sticky South Florida.
I can go test drive a GT3, A Z06 or a Hellcat 6S and it is silky smooth. You are trying to find excuses for the hard clutch...
Now the question is "Does the 85K price point enticing enough in order to forget about the lack of ability to trump the other cars mentioned on the track or on the road? "

They are ssstill around. Quite amusing actually.
 

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Geeze.....stock for stock from a 60-140 roll it is as fast or faster than all the cars mentioned..

Naturally aspirated no less.

I just dont get it....

Ive done my share of drag racing and a hell of a lot more street racing than most.

When you have a stock rwd manual carthat can do 0-60 I the low 3s and 130 mph in the quarter mile.

That is a fast docking car hands down.

Tell me one other manually shifted rwd car that can make such claims???

Last time I checked the genV was even a tick faster than the zr1 in straight line speed and runs door to door with the Ptt from a roll.

I mean really....

Does it need to hit 140 mph in the quarter mile stock and crush the aventador to be considered fast?

Is 130 mph plus a gorgeous shell and sweet interior plus being exclusives not enough for 100k?

Ill never understand some people I suppose....

Its gotta be denial or somthing
 

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Self proclaimed naysayers bashed the car for two years in an effort to adversely effect resale value and left over value. There's a psychology to it. It's analogous to the boy in junior high who picks on the girl he likes and calls her ugly until she cries. Deep down he wants to ask her out but he lacks the emotional and maturity resource to do so. Same with the gen V. Lots of prior gen guys who bad mouthed it are now buying it now that the price reduction has taken place. The wannabes are status quo though.
 

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What part of the fact that the Viper was designed as a road racer and not a drag racer do you not understand? ( Although as noted above, the Gen V does great in a 60 to 140 roll on and a few other acceleration contexts.) Your comment is irrelevant. Go buy your dream drag racing vehicle and race it. In fact, how about posting the results of some of your drag racing outings. Not illegal street racing - results from a drag strip.

Bottom line. You show us.

Show me a tuned only Gen Vs running mid 10s?
Show me any kind of modded Gen V that runs 9s?
Plenty of CTS-V, GTRs, ZR1, P911TT running these times in humid sticky South Florida.
I can go test drive a GT3, A Z06 or a Hellcat 6S and it is silky smooth. You are trying to find excuses for the hard clutch...
Now the question is "Does the 85K price point enticing enough in order to forget about the lack of ability to trump the other cars mentioned on the track or on the road? "
 

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Recently sold my '12 GT-R to get back in my 6th Viper. Received my '14 GTS today and am very happy. Sure the GT-R is a 1/4 mile sensation for the money but I never quite grew fond of the styling. Very first trip to the gas station today and a person almost immediately came up and asked if they could take a pic of the car. These cars still have the "it" factor with the general public and it's just a great overall car for the money. $91k for a brand new GTS with painted stripes, Laguna interior and Venom-Hyper wheels is just a lot of bang for the buck. Sure my brother's '14 911 Turbo S is faster but it generally looks like all of the other 911's out there which I see constantly out here in the suburbs. I can always get out my '13 Mustang Super Cobra Jet to go run 8.90's if I feel a need to go fast in the 1/4 mile.

And I ordered my new plate today at the Virginia DMV: SERPENT
 
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DeWitt..

Well said. Rather my gen 2 or gen 3 the vipers have that presence that cant really be described by statistics.

I remember my srt taking a lil fame away from a gallardo.

On the other end of the spectrum..my built corvette with racing stripes ect couldnt even get noticed next to a stock nsx.

With all the talk about speed ect. There is truly somthing special about owning a rare car. And lets face it. Love it hate it.

-VIPER- HAS TO BE ONE OF THE KOOLEST NAMES FOR A CAR OUT THERE LOL
 

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I ran a 10.8 two weeks ago on a very slippery track. I guarantee very little, however, I do guarantee a 10.5 early next year.


Show me a tuned only Gen Vs running mid 10s?
Show me any kind of modded Gen V that runs 9s?
Plenty of CTS-V, GTRs, ZR1, P911TT running these times in humid sticky South Florida.
I can go test drive a GT3, A Z06 or a Hellcat 6S and it is silky smooth. You are trying to find excuses for the hard clutch...
Now the question is "Does the 85K price point enticing enough in order to forget about the lack of ability to trump the other cars mentioned on the track or on the road? "
 

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You guys are really funny. Now let's see the excuses:
-the Viper is no longer a drag racer but a road racer and it's OK to be beat by other cars with different set ups.
-Let's forget about its inability to be a king in the quarter and only race 60-140.
-It turns head everywhere and is special and its OK to get beat by the ugly GTR. Seems like the same excuses Aston Martin owners say.
-Its RWD so give it a break.

JackB: if you ran a 10.8 great, why don't you post this on dragtimes.com. This would be the fastest time recorded for a stock Gen V with stock tires. If not stock, do you mind sharing the mods?
Bob: I have time slips running 11.5 on stock tires and 11.17 on drag radials in humid Florida at Bradenton and PBIR. SGC posted a 10.9 on drag times on the same set up I have (just tune and downpipes) with a better DA.

I guess you guys should forgive me to want the Viper to be the king it used to be. When it came out, it spanked pretty much any supercars on the drag strip and on a road course, 0-60, 0-100, 0-150. You get the picture.
I could care less if it needs to be AWD, DCT, V8TT or V10 supercharged. Let's get the crown back. If SRT was able to get it done with the Hellcat for that segment, it can do it with the snake.
Until then I may go buy a challenger that will run as fast a Viper and keep 25K in my pocket as a deposit toward the next best thing...
 

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I guess you guys should forgive me to want the Viper to be the king it used to be. When it came out, it spanked pretty much any supercars on the drag strip and on a road course, 0-60, 0-100, 0-150. You get the picture.
I could care less if it needs to be AWD, DCT, V8TT or V10 supercharged. Let's get the crown back. If SRT was able to get it done with the Hellcat for that segment, it can do it with the snake.
Until then I may go buy a challenger that will run as fast a Viper and keep 25K in my pocket as a deposit toward the next best thing...

I think technology has changed the market completely, and rewritten all the old rules. Each feature you mention as being a possible path to your Viper Holy Grail moves it further away from someone else's. There's usually benefits and compromises involved. SRT knew they couldn't make a Viper to appeal to everyone and decided that the Gen V's focus would be on the road course, and as a very desirable supercar/exotic for road use. The TA held the LS track record for 1 1/2 years, and it took one uber expensive Porsche 918 to beat it. If you're trying to say $25 by buying a Hellcat I would guess your budget isn't unlimited.

The Hellcat got it done for the drag segment, but couldn't do it for both segments anymore than the Viper could...and if they went all out on technology to try to do it you couldn't afford that car either.

There is no car with any amount of technology that nails both segments, and has done it without seriously compromising its road use appeal. So where the manufacturer is unable to fullfill everyone's dreams, folks can always turn to the after-market, and buy a car that has the support they are looking for.

It just seems very obvious to me that your expectations are unreasonable, and no amount of criticism is going to change that.
 

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Emiricr. The Viper was never designed as a drag racer. It has always been a road racer. As an example of how long that has been true, guys used to bend the shift linkage rods trying to power shift Gen II Vipers because the linkage was not designed for that purpose. The stock Gen II launch had a number of difficulties including the frequent occurence of wheel hop. Most who did drag race Vipers of prior generations modified them in some fashion. For instance, my former Gen II had an 8 pound Roe supercharger on it.

The days when any brand can dominate for a significant duration of time are probably over. With modern manufacturing techniques, the turn around time to develop new performance vehicles is shorter than it used to be.

You need to take a spirited test drive in a Gen V then you will understand the reason why those who have bought it love it. The Gen V is an entirely different car than prior Gens. It is just better in every way on a stock to stock basis.
 

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Bruce: Porsche is able to appeal to a broader range of customers with its different models. Base 911 for the low budgeters, GT3 for the track, TT-S for the street and all weather conditions and 918 for world **********. Is it too much to ask for SRT to come up with one more model that would include a higher hp ala Hellcat and a DCT? Just because I don't see the current Gen V as a worthy combatant or world dominator does not mean I don't value and agree that SRT has done a great job for a road course car. SRT should then not wonder why it is not selling more cars. Not too many people these days have the money to plunk $100k+ for a mostly track king. The market is proof of this.
Bob: Maybe it was never designed to be drag racer but it still kicked butt in the 90s when it came out and took skills to do it. Nissan has arguably dominated both the streets, the dragstrip and the road courses for the last 5 years in stock form. I just wish for the Snake to be idolized like it was in the 90s. Wishful thinking I guess.
I would love a spirited test drive even if on the passenger side but can't seem to find a local owner. I still do not understand why SRT does not provide promotional "get familiar" days. Are marketing funds the issue? I was able to ride an SLS black series at PBIR at the last AMG track event with a pro driving it and do small timed laps on an SLK55. This would go a long way with helping the brand IMHO.
 

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Emerier,you are 100 percent correct...Several people continue to make excuses for the Gen.5 on its inability to be completive in Drag Racing .As for not being a Drag Racer,years past that is all we did in the South Fl. VOA is drag race with our Vipers.Ya,the wheel hop was bad on the Gen.2s ,but Vipers dominated then...

Yes,their is a car that does it all today,that is a Porsche 911 Turbo S with Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires(2015 Factory option).I am not a Porsche lover,that is just a fact....

Go drive one on the track/launch one and you will see...

I, like others just want the new Vipers to be completive with modern HP cars and get their respect back ......


While good, the two drivers that got in the 10s with Gen.5s have had a very difficult time doing it the one time they did and had drag radials, so this is not the norm...

Dodge can do a 10 second Viper if they wish,they have a family car that can.....
 

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I got to say that there are a few cars that are all arounders that are excellent in all catagorys without sacrificing road going ability. Cars that come to mind are the Porsche 911 TT S, GTR's, McLaren 12c/650s, prior Corvette ZR1....All those cars were top rung on roadcourse, dragstrip and on the street as well as being very good daily drivers so it can be done. I dont think its an elusive formula for SRT and the Viper.

What I think it is is simply "that is not our focus" and NOT that "It can't be done". Too many other mfg's have done it to make the latter statement hold any water. The makers of the Viper value the track more than the other fields of performance so therefore the Viper has a very track focused nature from its inception. I dig that totally but I have to admit I do miss the grudging respect it made the vanqished competition gave it back in the Gen II haydays.:D

Its true that those days are behind us where a track focused car like the viper can dominate like it once did. It did so mainly because it just had more power/tq than the competition. Nowadays technology overcomes that V10 advantage as you can see cars with almost 100hp less are faster or just as fast as the Viper because of AWD and DCT. For the viper to dominate again would need a shift in focus from SRT and I just don't see that happening anytime soon. It is definitely doable but then again it would make the Viper a totally different car which as mentioned would appease some and alienate some. I agree that they can make a model that is an all arounder sure enough as the technology to make it happen is there. But at what cost and will there be any takers at the surely lofty pricetag it will ask? I want the car to dominate most performance catagories again as well but it seems the Viper ethos will only get it track dominance in this era which to some is enough and to others not enough hence "in part", the initial lackluster sales.
 

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1. There was no VOA before the end of 2013. There was, and is, a South Florida VCA. So try to keep your history straight. The VCA accomplished a great deal in past years when Ivan ** ran the South Florida VCA chapter ( standing mile, quarter mile, road racing events, social events, and even a visit from the Connors Avenue plant manager one year). It certainly would not be fair to take credit away from Ivan or the local Board at that time.

2. There were some who drag raced their Gen IIs, IIIs and IVs. Some. There were also some that road raced them at Homestead Speedway and other road course locations. Many club members did neither and that has been more and more the case for a number of years. Brooks has posted on the fall off in Viper owners doing drag strip appearances on this forum.

3. How do you justify the cost of a Porsche Turbo (155k for the base model) when its quarter mile performance is only a few tenths better and the car clearly is not nearly as well designed or driver engaging? 70K more than the Viper is ridiculous. Once the offroad controller becomes available from Mopar you are going to see the Porsche's advantage disappear when the Viper is driven by someone who knows how to power shift a six speed and is willing to do so. And yes, I know, you can run your ets all day long in your Porsche - but so could a Chimpanzee.

Emerier,you are 100 percent correct...Several people continue to make excuses for the Gen.5 on its inability to be completive in Drag Racing .As for not being a Drag Racer,years past that is all we did in the South Fl. VOA is drag race with our Vipers.Ya,the wheel hop was bad on the Gen.2s ,but Vipers dominated then...

Yes,their is a car that does it all today,that is a Porsche 911 Turbo S with Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires(2015 Factory option).I am not a Porsche lover,that is just a fact....

Go drive one on the track/launch one and you will see...

I, like others just want the new Vipers to be completive with modern HP cars and get their respect back ......


While good, the two drivers that got in the 10s with Gen.5s have had a very difficult time doing it the one time they did and had drag radials, so this is not the norm...

Dodge can do a 10 second Viper if they wish,they have a family car that can.....
 

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Using the GT-R as an example of a manufacturer using technology to make a dominating drag, road race and driver's car is not accurate in my experience. One non-track friend owned the first Canadian GT-R in '09 after owning a couple of Ferraris and sold it because of it's poor road manners...he simply couldn't take it any longer.

A close track friend bought one in '09 and still owns it. He quickly found he just couldn't handle the poor road manners on his 30 minute drive from the country into work. Instead he drove his lowered NSX on race coilovers to work in good weather and his wife's C350 Merc in poor weather. He spent the first 5 years modifying the GT-R to handle track lapping days, and the last year tracking it reliably. He was tired of modifying previous cars for the track and bought the GT-R because he thought it would be set-up to handle lapping days in stock form. He couldn't even use the paddle shifters in manual mode without overheating the tranny so he drove it in auto and says he couldn't beat it that way anyways. He's had to improve the cooling for everything with duct work, additonal coolers and even brake fans. And so many components changed on a car that he thought was track ready...like some here still think.

He thought he'd try again to find a track day car that would be enjoyable on the road and took delivery of a C7 Z51 with mag suspension a couple of weeks before I got my TA in April. Tadge at GM had convinced folks that it was track ready and had been track stressed. He was to take that on our trip to VIR but killed the car at a shake-down lapping day at a local track. It still lays dead 4 months later after one track day as he addresses all the issues, and had to do the VIR trip in his GT-R.

I met a GT-R forum friend of his at VIR this summer, and drove in the same advanced run group with him for two days with Chin Motorsports. This fellow had also modified or replaced an exhaustive number of things on the car to make it track worthy, including prototype Alcon brakes as I recall. He explained that he felt the GT-R was designed not for road course supremacy, but rather for one phenomenal lap for the marketing and magazine machines to churn out. I believe he told me that between sessions after his day ended early due to boiling steering fluid!

I have yet to see a stock 911 of any variety run in the advanced run groups that I do. Suspension, cooling, brakes, wheels and tires are all popular mods.

The Viper is a completely different breed than most high-performance cars that are considered track worthy. In fact, I don't know of a single other car that can truly go from showroom to road course like the Gen V Viper can. My die hard track friends don't know of one either and are amazed at how I've driven the wheels off of my TA without over-heating or wearing out anything but tires. I can't even wear out the brake pads.

So let's recognize the extent of the focus that SRT made when focusing on the car's track and road manners, how they managed to keep it wrapped in an exotic package with world class fit and finish, and how they were unwilling to compromise the engaging and analogue driving experience that Viper buyers have valued. Isn't saying that they should have done this or that to suit another segment of the market just meaning that you don't fully recognize or value what they did accomplish so well, and so much better than those that claim to compete with it?
 

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Ya Ivan is a good dude...SF VCA is correct.....I am personally not at all concerned about the $$$$,just the results......

Yes,a Chimp can do 10s in a Turbo S...Can you imagine do all that clutch smoking and shifting and losing to a trained drag racing Chimp in a Porsche..... Not Good....

I do hope does Dodge does the things you/others are dreaming of, but nothing so far ......

Side note, outstanding Viper track event in Vegas...The Snakes were Bad Ass at Las Vegas speedway and no issues as reported by friends in attendance.....
 

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Go to Utube, the run is posted there as well as on the VOA site. Not that it matters, but, at the last two autox events, the same car had the 2nd fastest time out of 50 cars and the event before was about the same 5th fastest out of 50 cars. I am not doing this for recognition, I love the car. The only reason I brought it up was because of your condescending and denigrating attitude towards the G5.

You guys are really funny. Now let's see the excuses:
-the Viper is no longer a drag racer but a road racer and it's OK to be beat by other cars with different set ups.
-Let's forget about its inability to be a king in the quarter and only race 60-140.
-It turns head everywhere and is special and its OK to get beat by the ugly GTR. Seems like the same excuses Aston Martin owners say.
-Its RWD so give it a break.

JackB: if you ran a 10.8 great, why don't you post this on dragtimes.com. This would be the fastest time recorded for a stock Gen V with stock tires. If not stock, do you mind sharing the mods?
Bob: I have time slips running 11.5 on stock tires and 11.17 on drag radials in humid Florida at Bradenton and PBIR. SGC posted a 10.9 on drag times on the same set up I have (just tune and downpipes) with a better DA.

I guess you guys should forgive me to want the Viper to be the king it used to be. When it came out, it spanked pretty much any supercars on the drag strip and on a road course, 0-60, 0-100, 0-150. You get the picture.
I could care less if it needs to be AWD, DCT, V8TT or V10 supercharged. Let's get the crown back. If SRT was able to get it done with the Hellcat for that segment, it can do it with the snake.
Until then I may go buy a challenger that will run as fast a Viper and keep 25K in my pocket as a deposit toward the next best thing...
 

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Here is the video of Jack's run. As you can see, he lost a little traction but still ended up with the E.T. Some people type. Some people do. Jack is a doer. Jack's experimentation with the Gen V, along with Nineball's, has contributed much to exploring the potential of the Gen V in a venue that was/is not its primary mission environment. I hope that they continue and post their ongoing results.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7697bca7BI
 
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Man, I started this post as just a recognition of the fact the trolls had disappeared, but man, been gone a week and realize the word troll must be like honey to bees for these folks, they just get drawn in. There is some great posts by actual owners in this thread.

Bruce's post on the track readiness of the car is my favorite and actually most telling on the cars capabilities and matches my experiences. It really is virtually bullet proof for that environment and I think we can agree the toughest environment for a car. Imagine driving on the street in the 4500-6500 rpm range full throttle, then full brakes and then 1.3-1.6g's in turns for 30 minutes straight. Then do it another 4-5 times during the same day. Seriously, imagine that. Forget the stoplight crap, but really think about using the car fully for its designed abilities. Do that, then come on back to talk about its shortcomings. I really think it will give you a different perspective.

As a quick reality check, the Viper was never intended as a drag car, but it was always one of the fastest 2wd cars. That is in fact still the case today, so no change there. The change is AWD cars mentioned that exist today and in combination with DCT, makes very quick for any driver to do.
 

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Man, I started this post as just a recognition of the fact the trolls had disappeared, but man, been gone a week and realize the word troll must be like honey to bees for these folks, they just get drawn in. There is some great posts by actual owners in this thread.

Bruce's post on the track readiness of the car is my favorite and actually most telling on the cars capabilities and matches my experiences. It really is virtually bullet proof for that environment and I think we can agree the toughest environment for a car. Imagine driving on the street in the 4500-6500 rpm range full throttle, then full brakes and then 1.3-1.6g's in turns for 30 minutes straight. Then do it another 4-5 times during the same day. Seriously, imagine that. Forget the stoplight crap, but really think about using the car fully for its designed abilities. Do that, then come on back to talk about its shortcomings. I really think it will give you a different perspective.

As a quick reality check, the Viper was never intended as a drag car, but it was always one of the fastest 2wd cars. That is in fact still the case today, so no change there. The change is AWD cars mentioned that exist today and in combination with DCT, makes very quick for any driver to do.

Oh cut the crap lol. You knew exactly what you wanted to accomplish with your post and you got it. I think it got too quiet for you on the forums lol.

Anyway, good post Bruce. You are right the Viper is one of the most track focused cars out there and it shows lap after lap. I saw your post with the brake pads etc and was amazed at the ridiculous durability of the TA package. But the masses look at fastest lap times on tracks, be it circuit or strip, and street prowess that is plainly evident and they dont necessarily care if the car i.e. GTR cant do 20 straight laps at 10/10th without breaking, hence my post. In their minds the TA is not that far ahead of some of the cars I mentioned on a circuit track but those cars are quite a bit ahead of the TA or Vipers in general on the street and strip. The Vipers durability is the last thing on their minds. If Dodge is no longer after the masses then it doesn't matter what they think at all. Keep the Viper the way it is and market it to the track rats that way the masses would also learn what the car is really about.

The cars I mentioned are all at the top or near the top in the catagories mentioned hence they are pretty good all around. Of course the Viper will be better at the track than they are because that is where most of the marbles went whereas the other mfg focused on making an all arounder.

My post is not an attack on the Viper but of course it will be perceived that way unfortunately. What I am saying is that the Viper is supremely track focused and if SRT wanted they could make a model that could excel in the other areas as well. It has its legendary track durability intact so adding to it to make it excel in other areas would not necessarily impede its durability if engineered right. It appears to be comfortable enough for daily driving yet it is a total bully on the track. So SRT has found a way to make those two opposing focuses work together. So with a little more ingenuity why couldn't they make it on par with the other monsters in the straights too?

As it sits, it is one of the best supercars out right now for track rats and for those that just want the best Snake ever. But as you can see by past forum posts, the internet chatter and lately the bait laid out by 05 :) that missing straight line prowess is one factor that is detering some from getting one even at the heavily discounted prices. That does not mean the Viper ***** in any way shape or form, it just means the Viper is not or no longer the car that fits their needs. And that is fine.
 

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Could not have said it better SnakeBitten.
Tough to see from the Video but it does not appear to have stock tires.
Still a great run and props to get into the 10s :)
 

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Nissan GTR and the 991/911 Turbo S....

The Gen.5 just needs a DCT Auto/Updated LC and tect.and it will be able to hang with the consistent under 3 second /10 second club at the red light/test and tune Friday Nights.....

If not,it will continued to be whooped at those venues .....

Correction - you need an auto to cut low drag times. Don't assume all other drivers are as inept as you at operating a clutch and shifting. The porshe and GT-R both score better drag times on street tires due to them being AWD, not because they have a faggomatic transmission that beta males prefer.

Can't help but notice you never bring up lap times for your secretary sports car vs the Viper on a track...you know, something that actually matters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nürburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times#Lap_times

When is your precious 911 going to unseat a Viper from 2010 or even 2009? I mean it's not even close. :rolaugh:

Easy Bob,I know you Love Dodge and whats a better looking car is opinion,not a fact that like the 5 10 second cars mentioned will whoop and Gen.5 in a drag race.

There's no doubt that the Gen 5 is vastly better looking than any model porsche. Aside from the 918 spyder which actually looks decent, all of their models have that soul-less corporate cookie-cutter thing going on like audi does.

Someday you'll realize that rolling up next to a Gen 5 in your 911 at a stop light means you've already lost by virtue of not being the guy in the Viper. LOL
 

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Someday you'll realize that rolling up next to a Gen 5 in your 911 at a stop light means you've already lost by virtue of not being the guy in the Viper. LOL

This must be the first halfway decent car you've ever owned, if you think anyone is jealous you're in a Dodge that is selling like..... coldcakes?
 

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This must be the first halfway decent car you've ever owned, if you think anyone is jealous you're in a Dodge that is selling like..... coldcakes?

Considering that everyone who has seen my car loves it I'd say it's more like a general admiration than jealousy. So besides reminding us that you're an idiot, what was the point of your post? Did you trade in your 'dodge' for a porsche and forget to tack on the in-seat ****** scrubber option?
 

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Snakebitten. Please tell me what cars are faster in the straights?


My God.....

Please let me say this a final time...

That 10.8 or 11.4 ect. Simply tells you how good the traction was and how fast the shifts were.

That 127-130 mph tells you how fast the car actually is based on power to weight.

A 3350 pound car with 570 rear wheel hp that does 127-130 mph in the quartermile is a very fast car.


To put it in perspective the Gtr is in the 123-126 mph range. Meaning the viperis
 

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Actually a lot faster than the gtr. The z06...ect

Its just really sad how many people post on car forums snd dont really understand the concepts of speed
 
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