Gen II motor mounts, trashed..

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I just got around to replacing my Gen II motor mounts cause I suspected they were bad due to excessive wheel hop... I removed and installed them from underneath, the passenger side is a bit of a PITA, but I got it out. Both of the OEM motor mounts, the rubber was cracked and they had seen better days.. I replaced them with a nice set of polymounts from Polybushings.com for a reasonable price!!!

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Did you put the car up on jack stands, or did you put the car on a lift. Can they be done when your on your back, with the car on jack stands, and lift the motor with a jack.:usa:
 
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Did you put the car up on jack stands, or did you put the car on a lift. Can they be done when your on your back, with the car on jack stands, and lift the motor with a jack.:usa:

I did it on jack stands. I used a jack with a 2x6 on the bottom of the engine to lift. I unbolted the bottom bolt of the motor mount, then the 2 bolts holding it to the block and lifted the engine and dropped it out. I removed the motor mount from the bracket outside of the car, cause you can not really get to the bolt in the car and get enough leverage to loosen it. I did one side at a time,just make sure you remove the bottom nut on both sides.

Took me about 2 hours working slow and figuring a game plan, originally i was going to remove the exhaust manifold, but that seemed way too much work. The passenger side is a ***** to get out, you have to slide the mount all the way back towards the transmission to drop it out. The new one goes in easier cause it is smaller, it does not have these 2 big metal tabs sticking out of it. Best part about the Polybushings.com ones is they fit perfectly with the stock heat shield and have interlocking metal inside of them..You have to find the viper specific ones on their site, half the price of the other companies and superior design from what I can see.
 
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Here are the pics, note the old ones are almost tore in half..I can actually move them with my hand..
 

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Thanks for the post! What have you removed/loosened to lift the engine (e.g. window cowl, transmission mount ...)?

Replacing Motor Mounts are still on my "potentially to do" list. I am just not sure, if mine are bad. I don't have wheel hop, nor does the shifter move a lot under hard acceleration...so I am a bit reluctant to tackle it at this momemt (I do have purchased replacement Mounts, just in case)...
 
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Thanks for the post! What have you removed/loosened to lift the engine (e.g. window cowl, transmission mount ...)?

Replacing Motor Mounts are still on my "potentially to do" list. I am just not sure, if mine are bad. I don't have wheel hop, nor does the shifter move a lot under hard acceleration...so I am a bit reluctant to tackle it at this momemt (I do have purchased replacement Mounts, just in case)...

All I found you need to loosen was the bolts holding the stock airbox to the front radiator support. You are not really moving the engine up much, perhaps 2-3 inches.
 

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This is common and happened to me years ago. Mark at Woodhouse has THE best replacement mounts for engine and tranny.
Yeah for $300...I paid $136 for a superior designed product from polybushings.com the metal inside of the poly interlocks, so they will not fail..

So, exactly how are the design of the polybushings mounts superior to the Woodhouse mounts? The woodhouse mounts reportedly also have a failsafe retention system and they did work with SRT to develop them. Were the polybushings mounts tested on Vipers and tuned for the V10 idiosynchracies? Is the material (polyurethane and steel) used superior to the Woodhouse mounts? I am not trying to be a contrarian; I just am interested to know why one is a better value than the other. I have read the thread on the Woodhouse mounts.
 
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So, exactly how are the design of the polybushings mounts superior to the Woodhouse mounts? The woodhouse mounts reportedly also have a failsafe retention system and they did work with SRT to develop them. Were the polybushings mounts tested on Vipers and tuned for the V10 idiosynchracies? Is the material (polyurethane and steel) used superior to the Woodhouse mounts? I am not trying to be a contrarian; I just am interested to know why one is a better value than the other. I have read the thread on the Woodhouse mounts.

If your content paying double, then go ahead, I have money left over for something else...You think Woodhouse or Roe manufactures their own Bushings or do they perhaps contract them out to a company such as Polybushings.com or EnergySuspension that all they do is make polyurethane bushings? You think the Viper has some special "idiosyncrasies" (BTW you spelled it wrong) that any other big block engine that had been produced for the past 60 years does not? If their bushings will hold up to high HP diesel trucks and big blocks, Im pretty sure they know what their doing and it will hold up on a Viper..

Did you look at the picture of the Polybushing I posted? Do you see their fail safe design inside the urethane? Here it is again, Stock bushing on the left, Polybushing (before poly) on the right. Oh and their made out of high grade Stainless Steel..If you break these motor mounts you have issues..
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Not here to debate with you or anyone. I been around the block a few times and know all the smoke and mirrors..Also the Woodhouse thread you mentioned, are you referring to the one with all the failures?

And BTW These bushing have been around a bit,
http://forums.viperclub.org/threads/602263-Viper-Polyurethane-Engine-Mounts-and-Transmission-Mount
 

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I think that you misunderstood. I was asking what made the polybushing's mounts a superior design to the Woodhouse mounts. If they are, then that is an excellent reason to buy them. That would be good information. I am not as concerned about price as I am about performance. Information is good to have. It sounded like you had some comparative information that you could share. (BTW, thanks for catching the spelling error. I now know my place.)


If your content paying double, then go ahead, I have money left over for something else...You think Woodhouse or Roe manufactures their own Bushings or do they perhaps contract them out to a company such as Polybushings.com or EnergySuspension that all they do is make polyurethane bushings? You think the Viper has some special "idiosyncrasies" (BTW you spelled it wrong) that any other big block engine that had been produced for the past 60 years does not? If their bushings will hold up to high HP diesel trucks and big blocks, Im pretty sure they know what their doing and it will hold up on a Viper..

Did you look at the picture of the Polybushing I posted? Do you see their fail safe design inside the urethane? Here it is again, Stock bushing on the left, Polybushing (before poly) on the right. Oh and their made out of high grade Stainless Steel..If you break these motor mounts you have issues..
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Not here to debate with you or anyone. I been around the block a few times and know all the smoke and mirrors..Also the Woodhouse thread you mentioned, are you referring to the one with all the failures?

And BTW These bushing have been around a bit,
http://forums.viperclub.org/threads/602263-Viper-Polyurethane-Engine-Mounts-and-Transmission-Mount
 

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Thanks DaJersey and Jwolf, great info, I am sure my mounts need to be replaced. The car is already up on stands, I will just slide under it when I get the new mounts.:usa:
 
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I think that you misunderstood. I was asking what made the polybushing's mounts a superior design to the Woodhouse mounts. If they are, then that is an excellent reason to buy them. That would be good information. I am not as concerned about price as I am about performance. Information is good to have. It sounded like you had some comparative information that you could share. (BTW, thanks for catching the spelling error. I now know my place.)


Here is why IMO they are superior. They have the same or similar interlocking design as the $300 ones, and they are made out of stainless steel. Plus Im paying half for a motor mount that I along with 99% of viper owners will most likely never break.. For me, THAT means superior... Plus there was a thread from 2007 about these motor mounts, and the dude from Woodhouse came on and trash talked the product with no provocation. That in itself is enough for me to NOT buy Woodhouse ones.
 
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Thanks DaJersey and Jwolf, great info, I am sure my mounts need to be replaced. The car is already up on stands, I will just slide under it when I get the new mounts.:usa:

Its a little bit of a PITA, but can be done with some patients. Im gonna attempt the tranny mount today, but my shoulder is killing me. (Just had surgery in November and I did the install using mostly my left hand..)
 

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Its a little bit of a PITA, but can be done with some patients. Im gonna attempt the tranny mount today, but my shoulder is killing me. (Just had surgery in November and I did the install using mostly my left hand..)

Well if you managed the motor mounts with your bad shoulder, the tranny should be a piece of cake hope your shoulder will get well soon!
 
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Well if you managed the motor mounts with your bad shoulder, the tranny should be a piece of cake hope your shoulder will get well soon!

Well I am in pain all day today after finishing them up yesterday :) I have been putting off the tranny mount cause my neck and shoulder is killing me now..lol..
 

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So, exactly how are the design of the polybushings mounts superior to the Woodhouse mounts? The woodhouse mounts reportedly also have a failsafe retention system and they did work with SRT to develop them. Were the polybushings mounts tested on Vipers and tuned for the V10 idiosynchracies? Is the material (polyurethane and steel) used superior to the Woodhouse mounts? I am not trying to be a contrarian; I just am interested to know why one is a better value than the other. I have read the thread on the Woodhouse mounts.

There's a reason that there are a few Woodhouse mount failures documented. They are more popular and more widely used. Um, make that abused, as in track cars and race cars. On the other hand, the cheap mounts are the ones people stay away from or they simply fit in the street poser niche.
 
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You are arguing with someone that thinks inside a very small box when it comes to mechanical and engineering intellect.

There's a reason that there are a few Woodhouse mount failures documented. They are more popular and more widely used. Um, make that abused, as in track cars and race cars. On the other hand, the cheap mounts are the ones people stay away from or they simply fit in the street poser niche. Plus, after a thread about how much coin you saved, rarely does one want the embarrassment when you post how your bargain parts failed.

Engineering and design coupled with how to discuss statistics are not within the grasp of the OP. Owweeee it's shiny. Gets 'em every time :lmao:

Please do not follow me on to this board and start your nonesense, I respectfully left your sandbox so you can play in the cat poop.
 

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I used to buy joy couplers for my machines from the company that manufactured the machines. That is...until I figured out that I could get the same joy coupler from Purvis Bearing for less than half of what I was originally paying. There is nothing that has led me to believe that the OP is "thinking inside a small box". If anything, I get the impression he is thinking outside the box and is quite resourceful in the way he has approached fixing his vehicle ...with apparent physical ailments...and saved money to boot. You Dave, are known to swoop in with a condescending remark to anyone who threatens your inebriated intellect.
 

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On another note about these mounts. I am currently working on an old Pontiac and I do plan on doing poly mounts on the Viper eventually though. I do like to save where I can so I will be doing polybushings. I see no reason to pay double for the "brand name" just because some say I should.

I did post on that polybushings thread from a while ago. The guy was pumped that he got them for such a good price. Years later (I think something like 5 years later) he updated his thread and the bushings were completely shot and crumbled so they aren't flawless either. The woodhouse mounts could go to crap after 5 years as well or quite possibly sooner (considering they offer NO warranty whatsoever on their mounts, even they aren't confident in any time frame) That being said choose what you want according to price or how the Woodhouse mounts make you feel all tingly inside.
 

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Please no personal attacks, Dave has been asked to edit the post, as I don't wanna do it... Please keep it respectful of others... Thanks
 
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I will reply to Dave's comments once and only once in regards to the motor mounts. First and foremost, he is correct, I do not have a degree in engineering and or chemical engineering. what I do have is about 20 year experience tinkering with cars and a drag racing back ground. My last car was a 2003 Nissan 350z that was twin turbo and with a TH400 that I had a company design a mounting solution to my specifications, the car would run 10.0@138mph in the 1/4 mile.

That being said, I do not know how chemical and molecular functions and design work, what I do know is how Bull$hit works having been in the automotive business for myself at one point.... And if you are telling me that paying double for a product makes it superior, then you honestly are as ignorant as you make yourself sound. Allow me to reply as to WHY I personally feel these motor mounts are superior to Woodhouse at twice the price..

1) Woodhouse is a car stealership with a racing background, and if you expect me or anyone to believe they have the ability to manufacture their own motor mounts in house, you are mistaken. If you think they have done repeated harmonics and stress testing of the Viper engine to determine a secret proprietary "Viper formula" of Polyurethane used in their mounts, once again you are CLEARLY MISTAKEN.. This is how it works, they contract a company who's primary business is manufacturing polyurathane mounts to make their mounts for them, be it Polybushings, energy suspensions, Joe Blow's poly bushings, ect ect.. The end goal is profit for both companies, keep that in mind. They may have designed and manufactured a bushing and it failed in one of their cars or race cars, they may have went back and added a stronger Poly to the design, and that one or two failed...So they added internal interlocking bracing (same exact as polybushings) and those held up..That is the extent of their R&D. There is no magic to it that Woodhouse holds a patent to..

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This is Polybushings design, look familiar? Same as woodhouse, except high grade Stainless steel for half the price. Read here :http://polybushings.com/pages/2710.html


3) Failure rates of the Woodhouse exist, as this thread proves http://www.viperalley.com/forum/viper-discussions-gen-i/176777-woodhouse-poly-motor-mounts.html it even seems that your friend and highly respected Viper tuner, Dan Lesser would agree on the Woodhouse failures http://www.viperalley.com/forum/2784153-post14.html

4) Furthermore I simply do not like the general attitude of Woodhouse as shown in this old thread where they invited themselves and their superior, condescending attitude (similar to yours) on this guys thread and took a crap on Polybushings unprovoked and used it as a soap box to grand stand and promote their bushings. Here : http://forums.viperclub.org/threads/602263-Viper-Polyurethane-Engine-Mounts-and-Transmission-Mount and here: http://forums.viperclub.org/threads...ission-Mount?p=2392826&viewfull=1#post2392826

5) Last but not least I can not find any threads with a high failure rate of the Polybushings mounts..




So in review, Woodhouse does not manufacture anything on their own, Polybushings are superior in my eyes due to design being superior or equal to, and price being 1/2 that of the ones sold by a car stealership. I will never break these mounts or Woodhouse mounts for that matter and in fact 99% of Viper owners probably will never break either set of mounts, therefore why would someone pay double for the same exact product???

PS, the motor mounts are NOT shiny but they do offer them in chrome I hear..

That being said, Im done replying to you so please do not waste your time.
 

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Why are these free loading trolls allowed to post in the first place, they do not do the club any good, whats the point.:usa:

Fair point, but for a small group of people to decide what is "any good" easily devolves into censorship. And I'm sure in 14k posts, Dave has added value somewhere, it's statistically impossible to have 0% value added with that many keystrokes. Trust me, it's these guys that will be first to cry censorship when their post(s) are rightfully censored in any way (or OMG put on mod where we have to view the post before it is posted, wanna talk about a PITA). When you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one...

If it's not fixed by tomorrow, I'll do it, but I HATE doing it! :)
 
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Fair point, but for a small group of people to decide what is "any good" easily devolves into censorship. And I'm sure in 14k posts, Dave has added value somewhere, it's statistically impossible to have 0% value added with that many keystrokes. Trust me, it's these guys that will be first to cry censorship when their post(s) are rightfully censored in any way (or OMG put on mod where we have to view the post before it is posted, wanna talk about a PITA). When you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one...

If it's not fixed by tomorrow, I'll do it, but I HATE doing it! :)

Isn't taking a thread off topic with useless banter against the forum rules and regulations?
 

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Dave is a staunch RSI nut *******. Because of this and several other qualities I won't discuss here, it is easy to deduce that his morals are corrupt and his logic flawed. Also, if Woodhouse can sell the same mounts at a premium than good for them. Perceived value is a good thing and I've heard nothing but rave reviews about Woodhouse.
 

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Fair point, but for a small group of people to decide what is "any good" easily devolves into censorship. And I'm sure in 14k posts, Dave has added value somewhere, it's statistically impossible to have 0% value added with that many keystrokes. Trust me, it's these guys that will be first to cry censorship when their post(s) are rightfully censored in any way (or OMG put on mod where we have to view the post before it is posted, wanna talk about a PITA). When you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one...

If it's not fixed by tomorrow, I'll do it, but I HATE doing it! :)


There's no way in hell I'd censor or ban Dave. It's WAY too much fun kicking him around.
 

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When you put it that way, I see your point, can be lots of fun.:D
 

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Fair point, but for a small group of people to decide what is "any good" easily devolves into censorship. And I'm sure in 14k posts, Dave has added value somewhere, it's statistically impossible to have 0% value added with that many keystrokes. Trust me, it's these guys that will be first to cry censorship when their post(s) are rightfully censored in any way (or OMG put on mod where we have to view the post before it is posted, wanna talk about a PITA). When you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one...

If it's not fixed by tomorrow, I'll do it, but I HATE doing it! :)

I guess your right, you are a good man, to have to look over all this crap all the time, there is no way in Hell I could do it. For the record I think this is a great club, even with the few butt holes.
 

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