Gilles said Gen5 will have paddle shift down the line, ANY IDEA/Guess when ??

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Ralph Gilles mentioned in a video interview with Roman Mica that the Gen5 will have an automatic transmission.

Does anyone possibly have any idea or any inside info as to what the timeline might be ?

Video link below and discussed at 7:00 into the video.

http://youtu.be/7XjKfXbUO0g
 
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I think they will need to change the frame to fit the current available transmissions into the Viper so I would think that could be a ways out when they are making enough profit to invest in the development IMHO.
 

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The previous vipers only had to put a minor notch in the frame, is it possible the new frame already accounted for that.
 

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*IF* it is being developed it would be 2015 (Viper refresh) at the earliest.

Ralph already stated the cost of developing an auto box would be very expensive.

Ralph Gilles: There will be a time in the future when I’d like to have an automatic. But the cost of developing it right now would have equaled the cost of the whole program.

Ralph would need a really strong business case to proceed with an auto box that costs as much as the rest of the development of the Gen V.

My guess is that Ralph has approached GM's Corvette group to share the cost of development of a flappy paddle version of the TR6060 for the next Z06 and ZR1 as well. Or possibly Ford even.

The GT500, CTS-V, Corvette and Vipers all currently use the TR6060 so it would make sense to share the development costs if all those groups are interested.
 

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Didn't Ralph also state the 8-speed auto on the new 392's are designed with "plenty of margin"? The 8 speed came from the truck platform, correct?

Here it is, 5:50-6:10 in this video http://youtu.be/EantmmF2Mao
 

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Chrysler's biggest development in business has been transmission design and transmission factories. Not far off of feeling that investment needs a real halo showpiece. Why not on the Viper, also for sale to others. GM is not the one running the show on that. They are doing their own thing.
 

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I would also hope that 'if' indeed the paddle shifting automatic is adopted in the Viper, it is NOT in any way copied from the Corvette's (of which I do have a 'paddle'-shifting Corvette/long story :drive:).
The 'paddles' :rolleyes: need to be on the STEERING COLUMN and not the steering WHEEL (as in the Vette's). Just my own .02 here for whatever it is worth.
~juli
 

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Imagine the 640HP V10 with a paddle shifter ? OMG what that could do in the 1/4 mile !!

Even if it is not a dual clutch auto it would be amazing....
 

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No thanks.

I think Fiat was afraid the new Viper would perform better than the new Ferrari f12 berlinetta and that is one of the major reasons Fiat held back. I mean, Fiat owns Ferrari and already has a transmission capable to handle 700hp in its line up that is used by Ferrari in the f12 berlinetta. So its NOT like Fiat group had to spend the cash on development of a new paddle shifter for the Viper....
 

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As a point of interest, when Corvette moved the trans to the rear, they too used a variation of planned a four-wheel drive truck transmission. For Corvette, the key element was the stiffness of the bell housing between the engine and the transmission. Corvette too reported that to develop their own transmision would have cost more than the whole C5 development budget. The truck division paid for the tooling for the automatic transmission case with a separate bell housing for both the trucks and the C5. And the C5 was able to use it for a whole year before the truck people released it for their own vehicles.

Long way of saying that this sort of shared development cost and design is a doable thing. However, I don't believe that putting the trans in the rear is as easy a thing for the Viper. According to Mr Ralph, such a design was considered for the Gen V and rejected because to do so would have changed the proportions of the car and therefore the styling icon. I think that's because putting the trans in the rear would have required a lengthened wheel base and moving the cab forward.

So, most probable is, a front mounted automatic variation of the truck trans for the Viper. As another poster suggested, it is possible that the chassis design already has provision for that mounting. :dunno:
 

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I think Fiat was afraid the new Viper would perform better than the new Ferrari f12 berlinetta and that is one of the major reasons Fiat held back. I mean, Fiat owns Ferrari and already has a transmission capable to handle 700hp in its line up that is used by Ferrari in the f12 berlinetta. So its NOT like Fiat group had to spend the cash on development of a new paddle shifter for the Viper....

The whole Ferrari holding back the Viper is pretty doubtful, and even Ralph has said it wasn't true.

The f12 peaks at 509 lb-ft, while the Viper is 600 lb-ft. No idea how much the f12's trans can handle or what the duty cycle is like, but it is also rear mounted like the Vette. I don't know who supplies it but we also don't know the cost of such a unit either.

Apadting the f12 trans might be an option they are considering, but it may not be beefy enough for the Viper.
 

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