I accompanied my parents last week to go look at an LHS for my mother. While there, I was talking Vipers with the salesgimp. They were hot to try to sell a Viper to a certificate holder, and although I will be buying through Woodhouse, they insisted that I allow their manager to call to give me a "better deal". He just called. They are "accepting certificate holders" and will be pricing the cars "at a later date" and will write a contract for "fair market value". I said ANYONE putting $$'s down would need a firm number, and after some pressuring, he said they were going to be selling 2003 SRT's to certificate holders for..... ready for this? $20,000 OVER MSRP! He said I should get in line now to partake in this special deal, because once SRT's start selling to the public, the price will probably be more like $50,000 over MSRP. WHAT A GREAT DEALER!!! This is Herb Chambers Dodge in Danvers, MA. They also claim that Fitzgerald Motorsports has gone out of business due to a lot of "bum deals" and that they had to take Fitz's entire stock of Vipers off their hands due to this. Now, Dan Fitzgerald is a member of our local Viper club, and I know this to be entirely BS. The moral of the story? Just to back up what Steve Ferguson said earlier - deal with someone good who will look after you and who supports the club, even if you end up paying a few bucks more (but still well below MSRP!).