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Been working on the car for the last couple days checking everything over has the car just seemed a little down on power. Wasn't getting any codes but I could just tell(you know how your car is suppose to feel right?). Decided to take the sills off and check everything out cause it was the only other thing I could think of and I have had a set of these go bad on another car I owned as well. Sure enough one cat is colapsed and the other doesn't look to good either and moves around freely inside the casing. These were on the car when I bought it and have 15,314 miles on them. Car has never seen boost or N20. Not sure what I'm gonna do as I really don't want to put another set of these things in and have them just fail again. Are Roe's made by the same company just rebranded?? Anyone else had these things fail?
 

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Been working on the car for the last couple days checking everything over has the car just seemed a little down on power. Wasn't getting any codes but I could just tell(you know how your car is suppose to feel right?). Decided to take the sills off and check everything out cause it was the only other thing I could think of and I have had a set of these go bad on another car I owned as well. Sure enough one cat is colapsed and the other doesn't look to good either and moves around freely inside the casing. These were on the car when I bought it and have 15,314 miles on them. Car has never seen boost or N20. Not sure what I'm gonna do as I really don't want to put another set of these things in and have them just fail again. Are Roe's made by the same company just rebranded?? Anyone else had these things fail?

And now you know why I don't run cats at all.
 

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I had stock cat failure at low km's, then replaced with aftermarket cats and experienced cat failure again shortly after. I would still be in the dark if it weren't for a VCA member mentioning that if the stock exhaust manifolds have a crack in them you will continue to blow out cats. Apparently Gen III stock headers are known for this cracking problem.
Even if you delete the cats - you would still have the cracked manifolds which causes other headaches. So before you put your money in another set of cats, or delete them - maybe you should look into this first.
Some members have put in aftermarket set of headers, such as Belanger, to avoid this from happening and I am probably going to do the same.

And apparently Random Tech cats won't bolt up to Belanger's without modification - so keep this in mind before you buy another set of Random Tech cats.
I am not a mechanic - I am only passing on the experiences of others on this site.
 
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I had stock cat failure at low km's, then replaced with aftermarket cats and experienced cat failure again shortly after. I would still be in the dark if it weren't for a VCA member mentioning that if the stock exhaust manifolds have a crack in them you will continue to blow out cats. Apparently Gen III stock headers are known for this cracking problem.
Even if you delete the cats - you would still have the cracked manifolds which causes other headaches. So before you put your money in another set of cats, or delete them - maybe you should look into this first.
Some members have put in aftermarket set of headers, such as Belanger, to avoid this from happening and I am probably going to do the same.

And apparently Random Tech cats won't bolt up to Belanger's without modification - so keep this in mind before you buy another set of Random Tech cats.
I am not a mechanic - I am only passing on the experiences of others on this site.

I already have hennessey headers.
 

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Interesting. I am curious as to why Vipers have cat problems then:confused: Out of the other 50 vehicles I have owned - I only ever had to replace the cats on one. But it was a truck. Just so happens though it was a V10 Dodge truck ....... hmmmmmm....:dunno:

I had heard of some Ford V10 trucks having to replace their cats frequently too.
Do you think this has anything to do with large displacement engines - or the heat they generate ????

I already have hennessey headers.
 
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I already have hennessey headers.

What gaskets install between the headers and heads? From factory they use and metal gasket that does not leak. You should buy a factory gasket if you install headers the paper gaskets crack.

It does not matter what vehicle it is. In order for the oxygen sensor to work correctly the exhaust to the sensor needs to be 100% sealed. Or it will send false information to the computer
 

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gotta be something with cubic inches and the amount of fuel being dumped to run it ?
 
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What gaskets install between the headers and heads? From factory they use and metal gasket that does not leak. You should buy a factory gasket if you install headers the paper gaskets crack.
There's metal gaskets in there.
 
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I sent some pics to the folks @ Random Tech. They swear the car has bad injectors on it and is dumping fuel into the exhaust. I guess they don't know how many Viper people have had issues with their products.
 

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Was the Viper recently dyno'd? How was the AFR? Rich, lean or OK? Maybe the O2 sensors are going bad. :dunno:
 
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Was the Viper recently dyno'd? How was the AFR? Rich, lean or OK? Maybe the O2 sensors are going bad. :dunno:

No it hasn't been dynod in a couple years. I'm not getting any 02 sensor codes.

Here's a couple more pics
 

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Just stick a set of the Thunderbolt bullet cats in there and call it a day. Under $50.00 each. Worked great for several years in my ROE'd GTS until the catylist burned out. The cat itself never burned up but it definately stopped "working" after a few years. Just turned into a nice resonator/muffler at that point! I'm running 02 sims anyways so it really didn't matter.
 

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Guyzz,

Compare what came factory on your Vipers to what we are putting on aftermarket. The 2 each per side factory cats are huge compared to the much smaller single random tech cat, also the factory cats are built very well.

The ceramic aftermarket cats have a tendency to fail sooner than later so that's why we run the ARH full metal high flow cats. These are rated to approx 750 HP. You'll find that your new high flow cat life is reduced if driven hard and will last only 2 maybe 3 bi-annual smog checks, so keep in mind that this may become like the clutch, every so often they need to be changed.

Toddy
 
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This is what I put in there to replace it with
 

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Here's how it sounds

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryfV6Q7WCrM[/media]
 

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Here's how it sounds

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryfV6Q7WCrM[/media]

Wow, that sounds pretty quiet and tame compared to what mine sounds like.

Maybe it has something to do with the 3 inch speaker on my computer. :lmao:
 

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I sent some pics to the folks @ Random Tech. They swear the car has bad injectors on it and is dumping fuel into the exhaust. I guess they don't know how many Viper people have had issues with their products.

Talking to Random Tech about a failure with one of their cats is like talking to a brick wall, seriously!! I had problems with some RT cats I bought a few years ago, called them up to get them replaced under warranty and they didn't want any part of that. No way in hell could they make a bad part, basically called me a liar and that was that.

Will never, EVER, buy another Random Tech product again and will bad mouth them and whenever I get the chance. Crappy products and even crappier customer service.
 
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Talking to Random Tech about a failure with one of their cats is like talking to a brick wall, seriously!! I had problems with some RT cats I bought a few years ago, called them up to get them replaced under warranty and they didn't want any part of that. No way in hell could they make a bad part, basically called me a liar and that was that.

Will never, EVER, buy another Random Tech product again and will bad mouth them and whenever I get the chance. Crappy products and even crappier customer service.

Same here, they basically told me that something is seriously wrong with my car blah blah blah. They were right, I had their ****ty parts on it. It's much better now.
 

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THIS was a smart move !

as much as i dislike BBG, he is right about the cats. either leave the OEM on or toss them completely.

Tough Crowd for sure, but it's all good. Back to the machine shop to finish up our new =BAD BOYZZ SERIES= Gen 4 race prepped lower intake for the VCA Nor Cal Regions annual BBQ & Carshow this Saturday.

My son Toddy Jr & I will be manning the booth. He's the brains of the operation & I drive?:drive::usa:


The BAD BOYZZ (Toddy Jr. & Roman)
 
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I wonder how anyone can dislike a kid. For sure he is not running any cats. Just wait till he takes over driving for you Todd. The stress factor will increase 10 fold. No matter what others say, like or dislike you. You do sell quality custom performance parts and seeing all the high rollers from Chrysler in your booth at the VOI liking your products, does it really matter who likes you? The products speak for themsleves. I am still trying to get my new dog to like me. I hope to stop by Saturday and see whats shaking out there.
 

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I had one fail but I also had a bad 02 sensor on the same side.


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I had stock cat failure at low km's, then replaced with aftermarket cats and experienced cat failure again shortly after. I would still be in the dark if it weren't for a VCA member mentioning that if the stock exhaust manifolds have a crack in them you will continue to blow out cats. ....

I want to help -

Random says the MTGTS' inquiry above is not from an original buyer, (as MT also stated) no documentation of years/miles. And the photo does not clearly even display a RT product. MT did not buy cats from us, but maybe the original owner did? But here goes:

1) Cats are mostly passive....their chemical 'catalytic' reaction is a de-facto furnance that cleans and scrubs harmful emissions from auto exhausts, and other industrial applications. They flow clean air faster, dirty air slower.

2) If you put UNBURNED FUEL in a furnace, it runs too hot. Dont Blame The Furnace.

3) As noted by Chad and others: a bad spark plug, coil, wire, injector, oxy sensor, air sensor, manifold, or gasket can lead to a too-rich situation, and put FUEL in the catalytic furnace. This overheats and degrades the substrate. Ceramic fails faster than Metal Honeycomb. But NOT A DEFECT! So many Things Affect what cat has to burn!

4) Random says that UNBURNED FUEL FOULING FINGERPRINTS [like those shown ] are very easy to diagnose. I bet it looks obvious to most of you, too?

5) Auto applications are commonly rated by Cu Inches, but R.T. also rates/tests them by CFM, and guarantees flow rates. Random-Tech does not sell or re-brand cats like some vendors do. Ask your vendor WHO MAKES THE CAT? R.T. are proud of their USA-made name, and their 5-year defects warrantee. They add an extra, costly "wash" of the prime metals, including platinum, to their HiFlow Viper substrates. This causes me to sell them with confidence. And they offered MT a nice discount on out-of-warrantee cats. We would even discount that further, especially if we sold the cats originally. ??

6) But even GREAT, FREE CATS wont fix the problem that fouled and burned out the cats in the first place!

7) Going catless as a solution to unburned fuel is hiding your head in the sand.....and catless has other problems.

8) MT, can I get clear chain of custody on these cats, and get you a deep-discount pair?
 
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