Anti-seize torque setting follow-up

[Ron]

A while back there was a vibrant discussion on whether using anti-seize on sparkplug threads was a good thing or not and if so what the new torque setting should be. I just came across this table clarifies the required torque adjustment. Much greater decrease than I suspected. Bottom line, if you use anti-seize you must lower your torque setting by up to 50%. As to whether you should use it of not, refer to the prior post......

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[Steve-Indy]

Interesting stuff, Ron !!

And, now the punchline: Above data NOT as useful without quoting source (product info...professional org. publication...Indy Star newspaper), historical period (WWI...WWII...today), and possible financial ties (or lack of same) of the author

P.S. GREAT job by YOU and Kurt at our Tech Session !!!!

 

[Steve-Indy]

This will take a long while...the book IS online:

handbook of bolts and bolted joints - Google Book Search

 

[Ron]

Source is a little book I found at Fry's this afternoon that has a shiny "Buy Me" sticker on the cover... It worked.

AutoRef by Richard Young & Thomas Glover, Sequoia Publishing. 672 pages of aggregated content from all over. No idea their source. Published April 2005.

Wish I could print off the Google posting you note....

Thanks Steve

 

[Kevan]

Awesome info, Ron!
THANKS!

I don't see Permatex's Anti-Seize on the list.
According to the MSDS on their product, it's:
- 40% Mineral Oil
- 30% Petroleum Distillates (Hydrotreated Heavy Napthenic)
- 25% Calcium Oxide
- 15% Aluminum Powder
- 10% Graphite

Anyone want to tackle that?

 

[dave6666]

Awesome info, Ron!
THANKS!

I don't see Permatex's Anti-Seize on the list.
According to the MSDS on their product, it's:
- 40% Mineral Oil
- 30% Petroleum Distillates (Hydrotreated Heavy Napthenic)
- 25% Calcium Oxide
- 15% Aluminum Powder
- 10% Graphite

Anyone want to tackle that?

That stuff looks more like something you'd use in your biscuits to get them to rise more.

I wouldn't use anything but copper or nickel anti-seize.

 

[ViperTony]

Awesome info, Ron!
THANKS!

I don't see Permatex's Anti-Seize on the list.
According to the MSDS on their product, it's:
- 40% Mineral Oil
- 30% Petroleum Distillates (Hydrotreated Heavy Napthenic)
- 25% Calcium Oxide
- 15% Aluminum Powder
- 10% Graphite

Anyone want to tackle that?

I swear this stuff causes seize more than it prevents it. Throw it out.

 

[Kevan]

Wow.
I didn't expect that.

I've been using the Permatex stuff for years (personally and professionally). Never had an issue with it.
Then again, I only recently found out their math isn't all that great.

I will shop around and try out something new in order to form a comparison.
Suggestions welcome.

 

[Steve-Indy]

Read this MSDS for Permatex Anti-seize to see the list of ingrediants:

http://www.permatex.com/documents/msds/01_USA-English/80078.pdf

Then read their TDS for the same product:

http://www.permatex.com/documents/tds/Automotive/80078.pdf


Please note Permatex's statement in the TDS : "reassemble parts using normal torque values"

I realize that this is just ONE product from ONE manufacturer...BUT, I got the same story from Mr. Moly regarding their "Copaslip" which is MoS2 + Cu.

WISH I COULD SAY THAT I REALLY KNOW THE CORRECT ANSWERS !!!!

 

[dave6666]

Read this MSDS for Permatex Anti-seize to see the list of ingrediants:

http://www.permatex.com/documents/msds/01_USA-English/80078.pdf

Then read their TDS for the same product:

http://www.permatex.com/documents/tds/Automotive/80078.pdf


Please note Permatex's statement in the TDS : "reassemble parts using normal torque values"

I realize that this is just ONE product from ONE manufacturer...BUT, I got the same story from Mr. Moly regarding their "Copaslip" which is MoS2 + Cu.

WISH I COULD SAY THAT I REALLY KNOW THE CORRECT ANSWERS !!!!

No sheep, when using that product I'd use normal torque values. Like I said, that crap looks like the makings of Bisquick!

Where's the copper? Nickel? Molybdenum?

 

[Steve-Indy]

Dave...
Go here, enter " anti-seize " and pick your product:

http://www.permatex.com/tds_search.htm


Same here for ingredients:

http://www.permatex.com/msds_search.htm

Note the same torque advice with was given in the above TDS using the copper product.