Cap & Trade set for Floor vote. Contact your Rep!

[GTS Dean]

This is kalifornication/Obamination of the US at its absolute worst. It will kill what's left of our economy.

OPPOSE Waxman - Markey "American Clean Energy and Security Act (ACES)" Bill

Find your rep here:
https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml

 

[Ulysses]

This is very important. Or has everyone just rolled over and given up?

 

[Ratical2]

I just let my anti-Representative know my position on the Bill. I really don't expect to hear back from her....

 

[GR8_ASP]

How to make the US into a third world country part 2

 

[01ACR/VIPER]

He DID promise CHANGE.

 

[GTS Dean]

This is very important. Or has everyone just rolled over and given up?

The Greens are out buying radio airtime on the local rock stations trying to push this as a "jobs bill" with meaningless industry growth statistics. Nowhere do they mention the costs to the US economy.

 

[GTS Dean]

The legislative debate will move to the Senate where leaders are looking at considering the issue before October.

Congress now enters a week long recess where congressional members will return to their districts. On July 7th Congress will return to Washington where health care reform will dominate the legislative agenda until August.

Be sure and let them know how you felt about their vote on your behalf while they are home.

The final vote was 219 FOR, 212 AGAINST and 3 Not Voting
A listing of those who crossed party lines to vote on the bill:

Republicans voting FOR:

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Bono Mack
Castle
Kirk
Lance
LoBiondo
McHugh
Reichert
Smith (NJ)

Democrats voting AGAINST:

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Altmire
Arcuri
Barrow
Berry
Bright
Childers
Costa
Costello
Dahlkemper
Davis (AL)
DeFazio
Donnelly (IN)
Edwards (TX)
Ellsworth
Griffith
Herseth Sandlin
Holden
Kirkpatrick (AZ)
Kissell
Kucinich
Marshall
*****
Matheson
McIntyre
Melancon
Minnick
Mitchell
Mollohan
Nye
Ortiz
Pomeroy
Rahall
Rodriguez
Ross
Salazar
Stark
Tanner
Taylor
Visclosky
Wilson (OH)

 

[Detlef]

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[Detlef]

Need some of that Obama Kool Aid
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[eucharistos]

This is very important. Or has everyone just rolled over and given up?

just resigned to the fact that it (this and other things that are destroying the American Dream) is not affected by We the People anymore

so it looks like rolling over and giving up

 

[GR8_ASP]

Obama is not politicing against the only measure in the bill to help protect US based businesses. that is the abaility to employ import duties on nations that do not achieve similar levels of carbon levels. The intended date for the duties is no earlier than 2020. Given the lateness and Obama's desire to remove that possibility the US business competitiveness is gllomy. I like the fact that left wingers are using some NY power supply company to make it sound good. But they do not have off-shore competition and pass on 100% of added costs to the businesses that use the power. Duh, how stupid the government thinks we are!

 

[PatentLaw]

Having renewable energy is not a bad thing. Making more nuclear power plants that solve environmental problems is not a bad thing.

It may not be great for Texas, a large producer of oil, but the US is not only Texas. Having a great mass transportation system (high speed rail) is not a bad thing.

Working out tariffs is a political thing. Having a highly skilled and trained work force that promotes advanced electric technologies is a good thing. Our energy policy has been screwed up for decades. No new nukes.....no new technologies.......nothing. The Europeans have us beat hands down. It's stupid, frankly. Forcing new technology, sometimes, is good. Painful for some......but good overall.

 

[Ulysses]

Having renewable energy is not a bad thing. Making more nuclear power plants that solve environmental problems is not a bad thing.

It may not be great for Texas, a large producer of oil, but the US is not only Texas. Having a great mass transportation system (high speed rail) is not a bad thing.

Working out tariffs is a political thing. Having a highly skilled and trained work force that promotes advanced electric technologies is a good thing. Our energy policy has been screwed up for decades. No new nukes.....no new technologies.......nothing. The Europeans have us beat hands down. It's stupid, frankly. Forcing new technology, sometimes, is good. Painful for some......but good overall.

Yes, having those things would be nice. BUT, those are not the main goal of this bill. It is the goal of this bill to make energy more expensive!!!!

President Obama’s OMB director, Peter Orszag, told Congress last year that “price increases would be essential to the success of a cap and trade program.”

And that is just one of many nightmares that could result from this poorly put together bill.

Read about it here:

Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress) American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009

 

[GR8_ASP]

Obama is not politicing against the only measure in the bill to help protect US based businesses. that is the abaility to employ import duties on nations that do not achieve similar levels of carbon levels. The intended date for the duties is no earlier than 2020. Given the lateness and Obama's desire to remove that possibility the US business competitiveness is gllomy. I like the fact that left wingers are using some NY power supply company to make it sound good. But they do not have off-shore competition and pass on 100% of added costs to the businesses that use the power. Duh, how stupid the government thinks we are!

Just noticed that as I typed this out on the 'ole blackberry I made some important typos. it should have read:

Obama is now politicing against the only measure in the bill to help protect US based businesses. that is the ability to employ import duties on nations that do not achieve similar levels of carbon levels. The intended date for the duties is no earlier than 2020. Given the lateness and Obama's desire to remove that possibility the US business competitiveness is gloomy. I like the fact that left wingers are using some NY power supply company to make it sound good. But they do not have off-shore competition and pass on 100% of added costs to the businesses that use the power. Duh, how stupid the government thinks we are!

As to Patentlaws comments I agree that stimulating new energy sources is for the good of the US. Yes to nuclear, yes to renewable forms, etc. But not by taxing American businesses alone and making American business even further uncompetitive with the rest of the world. I see nothing with regards to reducing the red tape and complex approval processes that have prevented many newer, lower energy and cleaner facilities to be built. Much could be done to improve refineries, coal and gas power plants and building nuclear. But the principle prevention has been the government and environmental groups. How does additional taxes alleviate those issues???

 

[PatentLaw]

Agreed that it will make electricity more expensive. I have worked in and around the electric power industry for decades. Leaving up the cost element to the higher ups is like leaving the fox to guard the hen house. These guys would burn anything, pollute the atmosphere, for a few bucks.

We really need to rethink how we produce power in this country. There has been an entire generation of people who have basically "lived" off of the economic progress made by others. Very few power plants have been built of ANY type.....not just nuclear. Environmental regulations hamper everything. Time to start building. Time to start growing. Time to stop talking. Action is needed.

Plants only have a 50 year life. We are running out of time. The cost of doing nothing is even more expensive.

I agree that the bill stinks. It is the first comprehensive plan for energy in decades. When Carter took us off the energy independence road it was a grave mistake. (And he was a nuclear engineer). We have to get our ducks in a row. Coal, nuclear, bio, solar, wind, hydro. Everything should be used.

 

[George Farris]

Having worked for the Feds for 30 years in DC, I did realize that writing your Congresman does have an impact.

Nothing scares them more than not getting elected.

Also, you realize that Term Limits are a MUST!!!

Since the Fools on The Hill will not establish them, it is up the people to do it ... now more than ever.

 

[eucharistos]

Having renewable energy is not a bad thing. Making more nuclear power plants that solve environmental problems is not a bad thing.

It may not be great for Texas, a large producer of oil, but the US is not only Texas. ....

hey, why the cheap shot at Texas? (he said in a nice way )


Texas has nuclear power ,

the South Texas Project -- is a two-unit nuclear power plant that federal and industry officials have commended as a state-of-the-art and model facility

STP nuclear power plant


and as long as we are a net importer of oil, Texas is free to produce and sell domestically all the oil it can produce, i.e., is not impacted by other energy sources.

seems to me the problem is all the "green" idiots that prevent the best mix of energy sources. most of us are for whatever makes us energy independent and not out to hurt the country by "making y'all buy our oil"

peace

 

[eucharistos]

Also, you realize that Term Limits are a MUST!!!

Since the Fools on The Hill will not establish them, it is up the people to do it ... now more than ever.

i'll support that.....

but hasn't happened to this point so not optimistic it will ever happen as power has already shifted - can you say motor voter

 

[GTS Dean]

Very few power plants have been built of ANY type.....not just nuclear.

There have probably been 7-10 new gas turbine cogernation plants built in Texas over the past decade. There are several coal plants being expanded and new ones in the pemitting process.

Plants only have a 50 year life. We are running out of time. The cost of doing nothing is even more expensive.

50 year life? What?

We have to get our ducks in a row. Coal, nuclear, bio, solar, wind, hydro. Everything should be used.

Agreed.

 

[Detlef]

This Cap and Trade thing is a fiasco up there with Global Warming.

Read this article! (about 20 minutes) BTW, it's a lot easier to read in 'Full Screen' mode (small icon on right side of article screen)

It is getting a lot of discussion lately. It's a pretty disturbing expose of Goldman Sachs. Even if some of this is untrue it makes you think-
Taibbi-Goldman-Sachs

I'm beginning to believe that before America can ever get on track again, the first order of business is major campaign reform legislation.

 

[PatentLaw]

Average life cycle of a power plant in the US is about 50 years. Many of the power plants that we use today were built in the late 1960's early 70's. The "base load" plants started, for the most parts, in the early 1970's. If you do the math, these plants are getting very old. Almost to the point of being beyond their service life.

Many of the nuclear power plants are now asking for extensions to their operating lives. Something originally never considered.

Thanks for the quote on the South Texas Plant. While it is true that it is a great facility, there are many more nukes in the center part of the nation. Ohio, Illinois, etc. Texas gets a large amount of its power from the combustion process. No slight to the Texans here. The other states don't have your natural resources. Nuclear and renewables are better options in other places. You can't ship power for very long distances. Shipping large amounts of coal is similarly difficult and expensive.

Nukes are the way to go. Did you ever see the way that Obama flip flopped on the nuclear issue? Against it....then for it? Wonder why? The middle part of the country.......where lots of people are employed by the power companies. He needed it to get elected. He is trying to help his constituency here by doing this. This is a payback. Obama is giving the electric utilities their way out of the situation. The fed gov will give loan guarantees on the building of the plants.

These things better be done quickly, however. If it takes 5 years to permit a site and 5 years to build it, you are already at 2020! That is the magic 50 years.

We have 100 nuke plants that will END their life then. We have to build 100 plants JUST TO STAY EVEN. At 6 billion per plant, that is 600 billion to maintain the same electrical capacity that we currently enjoy.

If we INCREASE the electric usage by 4 percent per year, we will need 40% more by the time we are building the plants. We will then need to spend for the additional 40 plants.

Our inaction over time has really hurt our competitive position in the world. We need long term base load power plants that don't or minimally pollute. It is that simple.