Do I have a Gen 2 engine in my car?!?!

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Ok, here's the deal...

I spoke to the 2nd owner of my car today and he told me when the headgaskets went out, the engine was replaced with a 1999 engine?! I called the dealership that did the work but was told they have a different computer system now and they can't go back and look at tickets from that far ago (1999). The copy of the RO I received from owner #3 when I bought the car says:

R.O. Opened: February 12, 1999
Customer notified: March 22, 1999

Temp gauge is running hotter than normal
Cause: R&R eng to repair head gasket

09000135 Short Engine- Replace (A)
176 WD4
FC: UC Part#: Count:
Claim Type:
Auth Code:
1509

Parts: $0 Labor: $0 Other: $0 Total Line: $0

(sorry for no punctuation, but this is exactly how the repair order reads):

"19889 Coolant Leak at Head Gaskets Remove Engine From car remove all necessary components per Viper warranty center send engine to warranty center reinstall all removed components reinstall engine"

So at the top of the repair order, it looks like they say they replaced the short block, but then at the bottom, it sounds more like they rebuilt the engine, which is what I thought was normal on head gasket warranty jobs.

Here's what I know about my engine: 3 rib intake manifold, dual throttle cable linkage, still has old paper style gaskets (Tator told me before they updated to MLS sometime in 99', so I always assumed my engine was rebuilt before the new MLS style gaskets came out, but wouldnt a Gen 2 automatically come with the MLS style???).

The VIN on my Viper is 1B3BR65E1TV100672 if someone can run the VIN and see if they can pull anything up. The Dodge dealership I spoke to tonight, said they could only check warranty work done in the past three years.

The confusing part to me is why is the 2nd owner telling me it has a 1999 engine in the car and why does the R.O. say "09000135 Short engine- Replace (A)"? Is it possible they replaced the shortblock w/a 99' block but put my 96' intake manifold on it? (are they interchangable)? This is really gonna rattle my brain until I have a definite answer, so someone please help :eek:
 

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1996 DODGE VIPER RT-10
1B3BR65E1TV100672
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8.0L V10 SFI OHV / REAR WHEEL DRIVE
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Owner 1
Purchased: 1996
Type: Personal
Where: Alabama, Georgia
Est. miles/year: 8,395/yr
Est. length owned: 11/15/96 - 9/4/02
(5 yrs. 9 mo.)


Date: Mileage: Source: Comments:
11/15/1996 Alabama
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Lafayette, AL Registered as
personal vehicle
12/19/1996 6 Alabama
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Lafayette, AL
Title #20483921 Title issued or updated
First owner reported
03/03/1998 Georgia
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Lithonia, GA
Title #34208619 Title or registration issued
11/24/1998 17,094 Georgia
Inspection Station
Decatur, GA Passed emissions inspection
07/30/1999 Georgia
Police Report Accident Reported
in Fulton County
Involving a front impact
with another motor vehicle
Moderate damage reported
12/13/2000 35,632 Georgia
Inspection Station Passed emissions inspection
12/19/2001 43,177 Georgia
Inspection Station Passed emissions inspection
07/25/2002 O'Brien Mitsubishi Chamblee
678-987-1800
www.obrienteam.com Vehicle serviced
07/25/2002 Kia Atlanta South
Morrow, GA
770-363-0949
www.kiaatlantasouth.com Vehicle serviced
07/30/2002 Keffer Dodge
Charlotte, NC
704-535-5330
www.kefferdodge.net Vehicle serviced

Owner 2
Purchased: 2002
Where: North Carolina
Est. miles/year: 1,460/yr
Est. length owned: 9/4/02 - 5/3/05
(2 yrs. 7 mo.)


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09/04/2002 47,188 North Carolina
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Waxhaw, NC
Title #772401022476122 Registration issued or renewed
New owner reported
01/31/2003 North Carolina
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Waxhaw, NC
Title #773886030315909 Title issued or updated
Loan or lien reported
09/11/2004 Keffer Dodge
Charlotte, NC
704-535-5330
www.kefferdodge.net Vehicle serviced
09/11/2004 51,015 North Carolina
Inspection Station
Charlotte, NC Passed emissions inspection
04/06/2005 51,303 Keffer Dodge
Charlotte, NC
704-535-5330
www.kefferdodge.net Vehicle serviced

Owner 3
Purchased: 2005
Where: Georgia
Est. miles/year: ---
Est. length owned: 5/3/05 - present
(1 yr. 3 mo.)


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05/03/2005 Georgia
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Macon, GA
Title #776152051238005 Title issued or updated
New owner reported
Loan or lien reported
05/04/2005 Georgia
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Macon, GA
Title #776152051238005 Registration issued or renewed
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07/26/2005 53,715 Bill Butler Chrysler Dodge Jeep
Warner Robins, GA
478-971-7777
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I don't think the throttle bottles of a gen I (dual throttle c ables) will fit the gen 2 because the gen I alternator is right where the gen 2 throttle shaft goes. I think you've got a gen 1
 
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I don't think the throttle bottles of a gen I (dual throttle c ables) will fit the gen 2 because the gen I alternator is right where the gen 2 throttle shaft goes. I think you've got a gen 1

I'm thinking the same thing too, but when the previous owner said it had a 99' engine in it and then I saw on the RO where it looks like the short block was replaced, I got really confused. I'm hoping Tator or Tom Sessions or some other dealer/Viper expert will chime in
 

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Gen 1 thermostat housing bridges heads in back of the intake , Gen 2 is up front and mounts right on the block. You can't change that!
 

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Gen 1 block :
5Jays-block_is_ready-time_for_new_lifters-med.jpg


Gen 2 block:
186Gen_2_block_B-med.jpg
 
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My thermostat housing is on the back of the block (near the windshield), so I guess I have a Gen 1 engine afterall. I'm actually happy, now I dont have to worry why I only dynoed 378RWHP a couple weeks ago :)
 

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Just a few things that REALLY interest me with this report:



1996 DODGE VIPER RT-10
1B3BR65E1TV100672
CONVERTIBLE
8.0L V10 SFI OHV / REAR WHEEL DRIVE
Standard Equipment | Safety Options
CARFAX Safety & Reliability Report

07/30/1999 Georgia
Police Report Accident Reported
in Fulton County
Involving a front impact
with another motor vehicle

Moderate damage reported


Vehicle serviced
07/25/2002 Kia Atlanta South
Morrow, GA
770-363-0949
 
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Just a few things that REALLY interest me with this report:



1996 DODGE VIPER RT-10
1B3BR65E1TV100672
CONVERTIBLE
8.0L V10 SFI OHV / REAR WHEEL DRIVE
Standard Equipment | Safety Options
CARFAX Safety & Reliability Report

07/30/1999 Georgia
Police Report Accident Reported
in Fulton County
Involving a front impact
with another motor vehicle

Moderate damage reported


Vehicle serviced
07/25/2002 Kia Atlanta South
Morrow, GA
770-363-0949

I knew about the accident before I bought the car. Not sure about Kia, but I've had the car for 1.5 years and no problems to mention, so Kia obviously didnt mess up anything :)
 

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