Hood problems are keeping my GTS off the road.

Docta Vipa

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I know the proper procedure for opening and closing the hood on my 2001 GTS ACR. I have been having problems with the latch lately and wonder if someone has some good advice. Currently my snake is stuck in my driveway with the hood open just a couple of inches, since I am afraid to try to shut it since I am afraid that I won't be able to get it open again. So I can't even drive it to the dealers to have them look at it.
Never been damaged, almost new car. The hood when in the down position has been rubbing up against the drivers side headlight. After opening it to check my oil, I tried to close it and it didn't go all the way down on the drivers side, so I had to release the hood and play with the secondary release through the narrow opening under the front of the hood for 30 mins before it finally released the hood. It has been acting like this for a while now.
Is there some place that needs lubrication that might cause this sort of problem?? I am at a loss as to what might fix it.
Thanks!!
 

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Mike -- Make sure you align the hood on the guides located at the top of each fender close to the dash cowling. If one of them gets off you can get the type of bind that you describe. Just lower it slowly and make sure it is aligned on both sides before you make the final push to latch it.
 

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had a similiar thing, the hood was catching on both lights and wearing the hood away creating fine dust, also marked the lights. The hood was hard to close and to much pressure was needed for my liking to lock it in place, thought I'd loose part of the hood or crack the light one day. So Nadine removed the front fascia for me and lowered the lights, be removing spacers under the lights (there were lots of them) Worked a treat, no more rubbing and the hood closes easily now.
 
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Docta Vipa

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Bruce - thanks but, as I said, I am very clear on the proper procedures re: the hood.
Neil - sounds like you da man! The edge of the hood which is rubbing against that driver's side headlamp is showing some fine dust, and the headlight is clearly abraded from contact with the hood. Sounds like I will have to bring it in to the dealership and have them do what you did. Why us???
BTW, I used to live in your neck of the woods - attended Univ of St Andews for two years, and graduated from Welsh Nat School of Medicine in 1978. I had a great time!
Cheers!
 

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Over time, closing the hood causes the hood latches to slide down, making the hood rub against the headlights. To fix this mark the position of the offending hood latch (latch in the engine bay, the side that rubs against the head light) for reference, loosen the latch bolts and slide the latch up in small increments until you are satisfied with the clearance. In the manual I believe it is spec'ed at 5 mils. You may have to do this from side to side since when one side goes up, the other side goes down a bit. Make sure you adjust the rubber bump stops afterwards so that there is no play in the hood when it is closed. You can check for play by grasping the hood from the under the wheel well and pulling up like you would to check if it is closed sufficiently.
 

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Press both hands firmly down atop where the hinges mate to the hood - this is just inboard of the vents - about halfway down the vents (think of the middle vent as the spot, then move inboard on each side about 6 to 8 inches)

Poke your head under the hood and line up where the hinges are to get a good visual. You'll get used to exactly where they are over time.

It does take more force than what I was using originally - I think that my initial force was in direct correlation to the cost of the hood. I found that using a little more force in the right spot did the trick

My logic for this is simple - all stress is being applied to the actual support system for the hood and not in between them, reducing the potential for stress cracking, etc.

Also, I find that first gently closing the hood down completely to where the latch rests against the loop, then opening it up to the intermediate open step before finally shutting it firmly helps. Not sure why but it just does.



After closing the hood down.... press down at both rear corners to make sure they are all the way down before you go to the front to push it down.


Close it with your hands just above the NACA duct. Give it a pretty good, even push


Push slowly 2-3 times to cycle the rollers and springs, then with the hood about 3-4 inches away, push right on the back edge of the naca duct with the knuckles of your fist facing into the hood. This way no finger prints or smudges show up, and it is a real strong part of the hood.

HOOD ADJUSTMENT INFO FROM PRIOR THREADS

"OK, this has been bothering me for several weeks, and I have tried to collect some info on hood/headlight/front fascia adjustment. From what I gather, it will be one heck of an ordeal. If you look at the picture, there is hardly any gap between the hood and the front right side of the front fascia (portion in front of the wheel well). The hood is currently touching the side of the fascia, and I don't want the paint to eventually chip! Which part, looking at the gap around the headlight, hood, etc., would you try to adjust first? How do you do it"?

Open up the hood and take a close look at the hood latch. Mark it and raise it a tad. Close the hood and see if the gap is to your liking. If not, repeat. Then raise the rubber hood stop when you are done.

For every incremental change you do on one side, there will be a slightly smaller incremental change in the opposite direction on the other side. Check and see if the other side has been raised too much. Other than that, these facias sometimes do not come out of the factory very symmetrical. Sometimes you might have to egg out the holes in the inside of the wheel well side of the fascia and try to slide that side of the fascia down to get it to not touch the hood. That is an option I would try to avoid and work with the latches.

I wasn't able to correct the slight contact between the fascia and the hood by adjusting the hood alone. I did make progress, but raising the hood enough to prevent contact after hood slam, the front edge of the hood was raised and looked bad. I had some 3m clear tape on the fascia for weeks to prevent scratching until I got up enough nerve to tackle the fascia removal. It wasn't complicated, just daunting. Getting the pushpins out was a treat without removing the hood, but I did it with the help of a long handle X-mas tree fastener removal tool from Pep boys.

After the pushpins, a few easy access bolts in the grille opening, and a few electrical connectors for the fog lights, the fascia came off easily. There is a bracket that supports the side of the fascia right where you are having the contact. I just loosened the bolts to the bracket and angled it down a bit. You can then put the fascia back on with a few bolts to check it before putting all the push pins back.

Getting the pushpins back in wasn't too bad, but there are 2 pins, 1 each right above the headlight assembly that I gave up on. Never got them back in, but no ill effects. You can barely see them, let alone getting a hand or tool in there and apply a downward force.

Looks to me like the fascia needs to be raised up via the slotted holes behind the fiberglass bumper support, but the headlight pods may "sink" if you do that. To address the hood corner gaps, you can slip a 10 or 11mm wrench in beside the outer pods and the fascia corners. Loosen the two bolts slightly and you can play with that hood/fascia gap.

No, I don't believe I had to enlarge any of the fascia holes. What I did was loosen the inner plastic panel (which has the coolant bottle window in it) and adjusted that enough to get a decent alignment of the fascia wheel well screws. You really don't need much to get the fascia and hood alignment correct. Additionally, since the wheel well screws act like self-tapping, a slight mis-alignment of those screws weren't a problem. Honestly, the hardest part was removing the x-mas tree fasteners under the front edge of the hood. I invented all kinds of crazy profane words during that part, and felt incomplete when I couldn't get the two outer ones back in. (make sure you use new ones, as you'll likely break and/or distort the original ones).

The tool has a "V" type head and a long handle. They are common, you can find them at Northern Tool, or Pep boys/Napa. It's called a long handle door trim removal tool. The short handle version is about 6" long. The long handle version that I have is about 12+" long.

Contrary to what most people have suggested (raising the hood) I think the adjustment needs to be at the outer corners of the fascia. On some cars, it is possible to get a 10 or 11-mm open-end wrench between the headlight bucket and the fascia. There are 2 bolts on each side to loosen, and then the corners can be moved slightly to control the gap. You can gain a little more clearance for the wrench by pulling the fascia screws out of the fender well and pulling the fascia clear of the inner splash shield/core support.

The headlight bucket looks to me like it needs to be shimmed up. Getting to the back nut is a real pain with the fascia on.

That gap should be 4 millimeters. +2MM -1MM tolerance I believe. This doesn't mean they actually come with factory spec tolerances from the factory though! I have seen many with large gaps. Usually the hood is just a hair lower than the fascia in the front though. Not a big deal though. This could be adjusted although vipers are a pain to get everything to factory spec gaps.

When I purchased my Viper three weeks ago, I noticed that the hood rattled slightly on the passengers side at slow speeds and a little at idle. If you picked up on that corner closest to the door, you could actually wiggle it slightly and it would make the same noise.

The hood always fit well, but it was a little tight near the headlights.

So... I adjusted the brackets attached to the frame near the doors, and it came out perfect.

I adjusted it by loosening the two 1/2" bolts and moving the whole bracket about 1/8" forward on the passenger's side. Not only did I get the hood to seat properly, but the alignment is now awesome. No more rattle.

It appeared as though the brackets were aligned this way from the factory, since I found no evidence that they had ever been loosened or shifted before. So I guess you could say it even better than factory now!
 
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Docta Vipa

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Ulysses & Viper Joe -
Thanks very much for your great help. I had a bit too much to do today to start fooling with the hood (kids, kids, kids) but tomorrow I am going to go out and see what I can do. I will keep you posted!
Thanks again.
Man I love this car.
 

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found this thread via a search...

2 questions:

1. is it okay to leave the hood open? i have my battery tender hooked up and just wonder if it is bad to keep it open too much...

2. my hood latches have moved down. it was like this when i bought it in december. the hood closes fine and seems to be aligned properly, just curious if this could be a problem now or in the future.... :eek:

thanks!
 

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If the hood is fitted correctly, and the headlights still touch....you can move the headlights towards the outside of teh car enough to clear...and you don;t have the remove the fascia to do it.

I had two Vipers where one head light touched the hood. But removing the foglamp and the rubber plug in the wheelhouse, you can reach in with the right combination of sockets and open wrenches. Then, simply loosen the headlamp retaining nuts and slide the units towards the outside of the car...the tighten. It takes some creative reaching, as well as a mirror and flashlight...but I've done it twice.
 
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