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Viper outruns the ZR1
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DJ'sviper
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If that is true, name them. Every car a the French made was a POS.
Rear brake calipers
black mamba1
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I think the 17.1 sec to 150 mph for the Zr1 is a misprint or some other kind of error unless the car was badly heat soaked. I have the C&D issue showing all 3 vettes going up against each other and the Zr1 got to 150 mph in 16.4 sec. 7/10th of a sec at 150 mph is like 15 car lenghts.....
I dont believe the article.
The Z06 gets to 150 mph in 17.3 sec, so w/ another 133 hp, the Zr1 could only manage 2/10th of a sec faster? I dont buy it. I love the Vipers, but 17.1 for the Zr1 to 150 mph is hogwash.
I dont believe the article.
The Z06 gets to 150 mph in 17.3 sec, so w/ another 133 hp, the Zr1 could only manage 2/10th of a sec faster? I dont buy it. I love the Vipers, but 17.1 for the Zr1 to 150 mph is hogwash.
trumper Z06
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Hhmmm... Car & Driver's magazine's March issue.... page 33 shows:.................0-60... 0-100 0-140.... 1/4 mile
Corette ZR1 3.6... 7.8 ......14.0 ..... 11.7 @127
Viper SRT10 3.6... 7.8 ....14.2 ..... 11.8 @128
Unless I missed it... No 0-150 times are shown in the article.
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rcl4668
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0-60 0-100 0-140 1/4 mile
Vette ZR1 3.6 7.8 14.0 11.7 @127
Viper SRT10 3.6 7.8 14.2 11.8 @128
Unless I missed it... No 0-150 times shown in the article.
Trumper --
If you follow the link to C&D's online version of the article (posted further above), the artciel has links to downloadable test and data sheets from the comparison. One set of the files is the actual handwritten test data taken by the C&D test drivers during testing and the 0-150 mph numbers are listed there.
trumper Z06
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Took some "digging" but I found the "test sheets",THANKS !!!
While looking up this info... I ran across C&D's 5/15/08 results for the Viper ACR and the Z06 Vette.Interesting numbers:
0-140...... 14.8 (ACR), vs, 15.3 (Z06),
0-150..... 17.5 (ACR), vs. 17.9 (Z06).
The Z06 took 2.6 seconds going from 140 to 150.
Viper's ACR took 2.7 seconds to reach the 150 mph.
The ACR would have more Aero drag... but it still seems that a 638 hp. ZR1 wouldn't accelerate slower than a 505 hp. Z06...
A ZR1's time... 14.0 @ 140mph. then 17.1 @ 150mph. = 3.1 seconds for additional 10 mph.
Compared to the Z06 only needing 2.6 seconds !!!
Having run with ZR1's @ VIR, I can assure you the ZR1 does accelerate quicker down the back straight than my Z06...
Cya @ the track,
Trumper
Kevan
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"140.....150....Whatever it takes."
Grab a couple of Midols too...quick.
black mamba1
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Car & Driver Dec 08
Z51: 0-60 4.1 sec, 1/4 mile 12.4 @ 117 mph, 0-150.. 22.2 sec
Z06: 0-60 3.6 sec, 1/4 mile 11.7 @ 124 mph, 0-150.. 17.3 sec
Zr1: 0-60 3.4 sec, 1/4 mile 11.5 @ 128 mph, 0-150.. 16.4 sec
The non Acr Gen 4 is a better comparison for the Zr1 b/c the Gen 4 non ACR is not further designed for road course racing, as the ACR is. The ACR is not designed for straight line performance as is the Zr1. If you were to remove the aero package of the ACR thereby eliminating significant drag, and keep all the other mods (weight reduction, stickier tires, stiffers suspension) the ACR would defeat the ZR1 in a race from 0-205 mph.
But if anyone believes it takes a Zr1 17.1 sec to get to 150 mph, I can recommend a bank you should buy stock shares in.
Z51: 0-60 4.1 sec, 1/4 mile 12.4 @ 117 mph, 0-150.. 22.2 sec
Z06: 0-60 3.6 sec, 1/4 mile 11.7 @ 124 mph, 0-150.. 17.3 sec
Zr1: 0-60 3.4 sec, 1/4 mile 11.5 @ 128 mph, 0-150.. 16.4 sec
The non Acr Gen 4 is a better comparison for the Zr1 b/c the Gen 4 non ACR is not further designed for road course racing, as the ACR is. The ACR is not designed for straight line performance as is the Zr1. If you were to remove the aero package of the ACR thereby eliminating significant drag, and keep all the other mods (weight reduction, stickier tires, stiffers suspension) the ACR would defeat the ZR1 in a race from 0-205 mph.
But if anyone believes it takes a Zr1 17.1 sec to get to 150 mph, I can recommend a bank you should buy stock shares in.
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Just as a note you really cant take times run from two different days, years, type of weather, surfaces etc and compare em and then pick a winner. This current test by C&D was run on the same day, same weather, drivers, surface etc so its much more relavant that picking out the best times for either from different days and determining the winner. In this "head to head" test the Viper was faster to 150mph given both cars were subject to the same conditions etc. Head to heads are better because you can control some of the variables unlike testing the cars on seperate days, surfaces, weather etc.
Someone on CF mentioned that maybe the 3.1 sec between 140-150mph for the ZR1 included a shift? These cars are close and I wouldnt be surprised if you see another test where the ZR1 comes out faster. This is just one test but it proves that at least up to 150mph they are very close and the winner would come down to driver. Im more interested in seeing owners of both line up on a highway roll, in Mexico, and see where the chips fall. I believe the ZR1 would pull the non ACR Viper a bit as speeds approach 180-200mph. I believe they had a test at Nardo[?] where the ZR1 absolutely beat the Viper up top and had a much faster top speed. That was also a head to head I believe so take that for what its worth.
Someone on CF mentioned that maybe the 3.1 sec between 140-150mph for the ZR1 included a shift? These cars are close and I wouldnt be surprised if you see another test where the ZR1 comes out faster. This is just one test but it proves that at least up to 150mph they are very close and the winner would come down to driver. Im more interested in seeing owners of both line up on a highway roll, in Mexico, and see where the chips fall. I believe the ZR1 would pull the non ACR Viper a bit as speeds approach 180-200mph. I believe they had a test at Nardo[?] where the ZR1 absolutely beat the Viper up top and had a much faster top speed. That was also a head to head I believe so take that for what its worth.
black mamba1
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It would be an interesting race. Again, if u remove the weight from the ACR aero kit and the big air brake of a rear wing, I think u have a good race to top end. The lower gearing of the Viper is an advantage over 150 mph. But the torque to overcome air drag is an advantage for the Zr1. However, stock vs stock, the Vette wins. But I still think 7/10 of a sec difference is pure hogwash, I dont care what the weather conditions are. All the Zr1 times are in line with all other Zr1 test data except the 17.1 sec to 150 mph. The guys at C&D screwed up, plain and simple or there was something wrong w/ the Vette. Guys can cling on to this one test all they want, but I guarantee you, if a stock Viper, any stock Viper, lines up w/ a Zr1 with this latest test data in mind, you are in for a very disappointing day.
But really, what difference does it make? Most Vipers are not stock, and Vipers are better road course cars, better looking rarer, and exotic...and you can take a Viper up to 1500 rwhp w/ f/i...do that to a Vette and you got pieces flying all over the highway.
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It would be an interesting race. Again, if u remove the weight from the ACR aero kit and the big air brake of a rear wing, I think u have a good race to top end. The lower gearing of the Viper is an advantage over 150 mph. But the torque to overcome air drag is an advantage for the Zr1. However, stock vs stock, the Vette wins. But I still think 7/10 of a sec difference is pure hogwash, I dont care what the weather conditions are. All the Zr1 times are in line with all other Zr1 test data except the 17.1 sec to 150 mph. The guys at C&D screwed up, plain and simple or there was something wrong w/ the Vette. Guys can cling on to this one test all they want, but I guarantee you, if a stock Viper, any stock Viper, lines up w/ a Zr1 with this latest test data in mind, you are in for a very disappointing day.
But really, what difference does it make? Most Vipers are not stock, and Vipers are better road course cars, better looking rarer, and exotic...and you can take a Viper up to 1500 rwhp w/ f/i...do that to a Vette and you got pieces flying all over the highway.
Agreed. I heard Malu[?] ran a intake and tune Z06 in an 08 Viper and lost on a highway pull. If true then the ZR1 should beat the Viper no question on a highway pull. I think 0-150mph with cars of this power will always be close. Highway pulls or roll races will show whos boss. All this speculation is driving me nuts. Wish some of the owners would get together and settle up with a nice, non ego driven set of runs to see what these two great cars can do to each other.
Nine Ball
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Wow, what a bunch of magazine racing going on in here. I have a better idea, put away the magazines and go drive your cars at the track and post your own results. No need to argue about stupid magazine tests. This, coming from a car magazine writer (me). I still prefer to do my own racing.
black mamba1
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Yeah, the Z06 and the Gen 4 are close, but these results seem odd. What speed did they start at? What gear was Malu and what rpm was he at when he started? The Gen 4 stretches out its lead significantly over the Z06 at higher speeds. W/out knowing the rwhp of the Z06 and these other variables, the Z pulling away in this one race doesnt mean much. When the Gen 4 first came out, a member posted video of him and a Z racing (in Mexico of course), and the GEn 4 won 2 out of 3, and when the Gen 4 won, he won very convincingly, but like 5 cars or so before they quit. But when he started at the wrong rpm in the second race, he lost. So...there u have it.Agreed. I heard Malu[?] ran a intake and tune Z06 in an 08 Viper and lost on a highway pull. If true then the ZR1 should beat the Viper no question on a highway pull. I think 0-150mph with cars of this power will always be close. Highway pulls or roll races will show whos boss. All this speculation is driving me nuts. Wish some of the owners would get together and settle up with a nice, non ego driven set of runs to see what these two great cars can do to each other.
trumper Z06
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Sixty to 130 mph. doesn't do much... both these cars are designed for a road course.Having run & instructed @ Viper Days (VIR & SEBRING)... both the C5 and C6 Z06's are competitive with the Vipers.
I haven't had the opportunity to run with the latest 600hp Vipers... but I expect the results between the latest 600 hp. SRT-10 and a C6 Z06 to still be driver dependent !!!
Best comparision is... head to head...Cya @ the track,
Trumper
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Yeah, the Z06 and the Gen 4 are close, but these results seem odd. What speed did they start at? What gear was Malu and what rpm was he at when he started? The Gen 4 stretches out its lead significantly over the Z06 at higher speeds. W/out knowing the rwhp of the Z06 and these other variables, the Z pulling away in this one race doesnt mean much. When the Gen 4 first came out, a member posted video of him and a Z racing (in Mexico of course), and the GEn 4 won 2 out of 3, and when the Gen 4 won, he won very convincingly, but like 5 cars or so before they quit. But when he started at the wrong rpm in the second race, he lost. So...there u have it.
I was told that in those videos the Z06 in question lost because it had some problems. When they ran after the problems were fixed the Z06 won. Maybe Malu can elaborate if he feels like.
