Bucking Viper....Yee Ha

Cal Cobra

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Mine does it a little, typically when the car is "cold" like the first mile of driving. After it warms up, it's typically ok. I've always been under the impression this is fairly normal. It does require a little throttle feathering in some stop and go / low speed travel as well, but the clutch isn't as bad on this as it was on my Saleen.

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I disagree completely with the 3.54 idea. That's what I have and the bucking was the same with both stock and 3.54 gear. Now if you want to put something like a 5.11 or something where you cruise the parking lot at 3000 rpm that would smooth it out.
I have done the throttle bodies and cleaned out the air control valve- same results.
Tom -your idea about the fuel shutoff soumds interesting. Any ideas on how to fix this?
 

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I never had bad bucking until I put the SCer on. I used the supplied plugs, which I am guessing are a range cooler. This really makes the car buck when it is not fully warmed up and tries to take off in 1st. Gets much better when it is warmed up.
 

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My SRT-10 bucks at low speeds too and it doesn't have two separate.
That is very interesting. I thought for sure the single t-body would solve the issue.

My 2005 SRT-10 has bucked since the first day. I always thought cars bucked from lots of cam overlap and such. I had a 1996 LT-1 F-body that ran smooth and didn't buck until I put a ZZ-9 camshaft in it. After that cam install, it bucked just like my SRT-10 does now.
 

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When I bought my '94, I loooked at several Vipers and most of them had the bucking problem. When I found mine, it had absolutlely no bucking at all which was a factor in why I bought this one (more on this later).

After owning it for a few weeks (and driving it extensively with no hint of bucking, ever), I went to my first Viper get-together. The local chapter president (an old friend from my DeLorean days) and I inspected various parts of the car and found that the (I think) passenger side throttle body was only opening ~75% when the pedal was at WOT. We adjusted the cables (per Dodge procedures). As soon as I left the parking lot, the bucking started. The car has bucked ever since.

I've tried adjusting the throttle cables many times with varying success. One of the wizards on this site (maybe not THE wizard) suggested that the root problem may be a stretched throttle cable, which would prevent the system from adjusting properly. The extreme mal-adjustment we found originally was a means of compensating for the stretched cable. I haven't tried the new cables yet as my driving style has adjusted itself to alleviate the problem.

As for the "driver-induced" theory, that can't be the problem in this case. My car will buck violently even when I remove my foot from the gas pedal completely and place it in the middle of the floor. Only by having the pedal down slightly at all times when the clutch is engaged is the problem remedied. I've become used to this and the problem doesn't surface but this can't possibly be good for gas mileage. ;)

I've also replaced my motor and transmission mounts recently (for other reasons) and the problem didn't change.

Now, as for why the bucking was such a big issue for me even though this site (and others) said it's a common thing with Vipers, my DeLorean started bucking in a very similar fashion the day before the transmission failed catastrophically. Twice. Hence the reason I got rid of the DeLorean.

As for the "37%" theory, total BS. The technician was hoping to get the "glazed-eyes" look from the customer in the hopes he wouldn't be held responsible for not being able to actually fix the problem. Happens all the time. Find a new Viper tech.

Another point, I think we need to define "bucking" as we may be talking about several different things inadvertently. What I'm talking about sounds and acts alot like a large amount of play somewhere in the drive train. The car seems to "bounce" between the drivetrain being "engaged" and "disengaged" about 2-3 times per second. This is accomponied by a clunking sound from, well, everywhere. I've had the transmission, rear-end, half-shafts and other various parts out of my car and have always checked them for play and found nothing out of spec.

Someone else suggested that "the Viper transmission is manufactured with a large amount of play in order to make the transmission last longer when dealing with the large amount of torque and HP the Viper produces". Again, BS. Not only is it wrong, it's completely backwards. A drivetrain with excessive play and large amounts of torque and HP will eat itself quicker than a tight setup. Just ask any transmission specialist or even machinist. Extra play in the dog-legs, shifter forks or gear synchros might make sense but none of these would be felt in the drive-train.

If we're talking about GEN I's, it's probably worth trying new throttle cables assuming you've already tried the adjustment. GEN II's have only 1 cable but there's still an adjustment there. GEN III's with one throttle body...well, that's a whole different animal.

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As I said,

The bucking my 94 does at parking lot speed can be stopped by bracing the right foot against the trans tunnel carpet.

This keeps me from getting bounced back off the gas a little and causing the bucking.

It sounds as if there might be more than one cause for this bucking since mine will not do it with my foot off the gas or in a right foot braced position.
 

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I just got back from the dealer and the technician said that the Viper has 2 coils packs. One is a 6 cylinder coil pack, and it doesn't fire the other 4 cylinders until after 37%.

I would stay away, far away, from this technician; sound like he is only 37% there (at most), and 63% in outer space. :confused: :confused:

Later,
 

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Adding to all the other good replies, my '97 GTS will downright scare you if the throttle is just barely cracked open in 1st gear. HOWEVER, letting the clutch out at idle with no throttle input is very smooth; no bucking at all.

There aren't many other coupes out there where you can just lift the clutch with no gas and inch along in traffic, even uphill. GOD I love low-end torque!

I can do the same thing with my Z06. I also have no problem starting out in second or third if I have to, loads of low end torque.
I also get some slight bucking at low speed so I think it is just the nature of a high hp manual trans car and has nothing to do with 2 throttle bodies or being out of synch. It does sound like the Vipers are a little worst in the bucking area than the vettes but I think it is normal.
 
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