HEADERS AND EXHAUST

[99 R/T 10]

I love the Belanger hesders that I bought from JonB (awesome street header), but if you're going for 750hp, you need a full race header. This means equal length 1 7/8 tubes ending in a burns 5-1 collector in the SIDESILL. This is not an easy installation, but if you're going for 750hp then easy isn't in your vocabulary.
If you need more help, contact David Weaver at Maxwell Dodge in Austin. He is familiar with this header design and can steer you in the right direction. He's a great guy, and he'll help you out even if he never sells you anything.

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Not completly true, the guys are underground racing (during the V-10 Nationals) took a absolutely stock 96, bolted on a Paxton S/C with a 15lbs pulley and cranked out over 820 HP. Stock manifolds still in place. On that note, I thik any good header will do the job, just some better than others. If your willing to pay $2200 for a full race set up, great. 1 3/4" are great at $1800, but my 1 5/8" B&B will do fine at $1350(selling new ). It's all about what you're willing to pay for that extra 15 HP.

Mike

 

[2002_Viper_GTS_ACR]

I love the Belanger hesders that I bought from JonB (awesome street header), but if you're going for 750hp, you need a full race header. This means equal length 1 7/8 tubes ending in a burns 5-1 collector in the SIDESILL. This is not an easy installation, but if you're going for 750hp then easy isn't in your vocabulary.
If you need more help, contact David Weaver at Maxwell Dodge in Austin. He is familiar with this header design and can steer you in the right direction. He's a great guy, and he'll help you out even if he never sells you anything.

[email protected]

Who cares what 96 rt/10 is saying, where/who makes such a header. I too felt that the 5 into ones were an OK design, BUT they needed to maximize the individual exhuast tube lengths, so YES, a header that has the collector located in the side sill means a LOT more length to the individual runners/primarys, whatever the hell you call them. Tell me more !!

Jon

 

[MbnViper]

im happy with B&B setup the sound that i always wanted to have check the setup and sound file the sound was recorded @2am after installation so its wont justify the setup if you like it loud its for you.

Sound File (Save As)

Click Here for B&B setup pic's

 

[Steve 00RT/10]

Here's what my car sounds like with a full Belanger system--no cats. Tom's car is a '97 with the lumpier cam which adds a little. I've not heard anything else to date that rumbles like this. Listen to the downshifts at the end of the run.

I bought my Belanger system from Tom Welch several years ago. Great guy to deal with. He's hands on with all that he sells and well known in the Viper drag racing arena.

Steve

Belanger video clip

 

[2002_Viper_GTS_ACR]

Unfortunetly Greg was mistaken. I emailed dweaver, and here was his response:

"Jon, I have no idea what Greg was talking about in that post. I don't know of a header that has the collector in the side sills. As far as that goes, I have only ever installed one set of 1 7/8 headers and they were from Vipermed. I have made over 700 to the tires with a Roe supercharger but not 750, yet (working on that now!). I generally use B&B or TNT headers for supercharged applications with 1 3/4 tubes. I normally put Balenger headers on only when the customer brings them to me. I like the sound of the TNT and the B&B systems. I don't buy from TNT anymore. I deal with Roe on most everything. Sorry Greg made it sound like I had some great super secret piece out there but I don't. If I can be of any help to you, feel free to email or call. Thanks,
David Weaver
Shop Foreman/ Viper Specialist
Maxwell Dodge, Austin, TX
512-247-8221 cell phone(best way to get me!)
512-219-3634 switchboard
512-493-8115 Direct
512-219-3622 fax
143*16613*10 Nextel Direct Connect Number


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Jon :-( I was sooooo hoping...

 

[99 R/T 10]

Who cares what 96 rt/10 is saying

Sat what?! Boy, wait till I get your B!tchazz at BG!
See! Now back to my B&B's for sale...................................

 

[2002_Viper_GTS_ACR]

*** is BG ??

Jon

 

[99 R/T 10]

Bowling Green!

 

[opnwide]

torquemonster wrote this last year regarding the lemans V-10s. He talks about the headers that I mentioned. Although David uses the 1 7/8 headers, he doesn't go for the high hp N/A cars. RSI is only 3hours away, and I think the consensus is there that they are the kings of N/A!
So, if David can't hook you up, maybe you can PM Torquemeister or maybe even RSI. I wonder if they're using the same header?


"I took the liberty to make some enquiries with the people who built the V10 engines that ran so successfully at LeMans.

I am confident that for those with the money - they offer you a Viper V10 with the best money can buy.... no offense to any tuners out there doing a fantastic job... but this is endurance race proven and backed by technology and experience well beyond any private tuners budget.

How would you like a Viper that peaks at 7300rpm and makes 765hp and runs flat out for 24 hours without a hitch?! Don't try that at home - these are special engines and you won't do that elsewhere.... I'm pretty sure.

ON top of this for those who just want a top shelf exhaust setup customised for YOUR engine and car combo - they'll run your combo thru their computer and design your very own top shelf header and merge collector setup, with reverse collector to tailpipe arrangement to preserve power after collector. The headers can be stepped and lenghtened according to your engine application needs - there is no "one size fits all"! Their merge collectors are pieces of art (provided to order from Burns) and worth 25hp over normal collectors.

I am working with them to consider adding an Anti-reversion option (A/R Header setup) that will work with their stepped header and merge collector system. By using A/R cones the large LeMans unlimited cams can be used to make the top end power, while the reversion gases during valve overlap are caught by the cones and not reverted back into the port as in all other big cammed engines.

If anyone does not know what I'm talking about re A/R cones - just let me know and I'll explain them. Most engine tuners write them off these days as an old trick that is no longer needed.... this is not quite true... but I digress

The result of A/R cones is a huge increase in bottom end vacuum and torque without the loss of top end power. This trick is not used on race engines because off cam rpm performance is irrelevant. They are not used on most street engines because most customers want a race setup - right or wrong.

A well tuned EFI setup can tame a big cam to some extent and for most that is enough.... but I'm saying that the A/R setup will make a difference to taming a big cam beyond what tuning the MOTEC and unequal length stepped header setup will achieve. The more torque & vacuum at low rpm the better right?

.... anyways - that's in discussion

I am waiting for some more info and will keep you guys informed when that arrives - in meantime - here's the guts re the engines and a contact and website to check... serious buyer enquiries would be appreciated as these guys are flat out building top shelf race engines for factory efforts... here's the email from Devin - the other from Vincent I'll put on another thread "

 

[Herc]

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