Major Dilemma

[OSUbrew]

Ok so today i find out by pulling a carfax that the Viper i'm supposed to pick up next weekend had been in an accident in 01. The detail says:

Accident Reported
in Scott County
Involving left front impact
with parked motor vehicle
Moderate damage reported

Now the purchase agreement i had with the individual said no accidents or paintwork, which he probably didn't know about since it was before he bought it.

So i'm not really sure what to do. I really wanted that color combo and a year with the forged internals. Any suggestions?

 

[Mark Red GTS Cooper]

Find out where the car was repair at, see if they can tell you if the frame was bent. If no bend, hell, it is just body work. If the frame was bent, pass on the car. If you do buy the car, negotiate a new price since it was in an accident.

 

[Russ M]

Many many many Vipers especialy used 2nd 3rd owner cars have been in accidents. The only way to really check out the car is take it to an expert, most accidents dont make it to carfax.

 

[OSUbrew]

It says no frame damage in the carfax, if i do buy it i'll have an inspection done.

No Salvage Auction Record Reported No Crash Test Vehicle Record Reported
No Fire Damage Record Reported No Airbag Deployment Record Reported
No Automotive Recycler Record Reported No Damage Disclosure Record Reported
No Frame Damage Record Reported No Collision Repair Facility Record Reported
Police Accident Record Reported

 

[Mark Red GTS Cooper]

Then, negotiate a new price based on the info, maybe he will go for it!

Mark

 

[DEVILDOG]

It says no frame damage in the carfax, if i do buy it i'll have an inspection done.

No Salvage Auction Record Reported No Crash Test Vehicle Record Reported
No Fire Damage Record Reported No Airbag Deployment Record Reported
No Automotive Recycler Record Reported No Damage Disclosure Record Reported
No Frame Damage Record Reported No Collision Repair Facility Record Reported
Police Accident Record Reported

It also says NO Collision Repair Facility Record Reported...who fixed it? I'd get it well checked out and IF O.K. I'd definately get a lower price since car was not in the condition it was stated. Good luck.

 

[OSUbrew]

I'll definitely find out what happened exactly and how it was repaired. Is it really hard to find a Viper that hasn't had some sort of accident or paintwork?

 

[Warfang]

I'll definitely find out what happened exactly and how it was repaired. Is it really hard to find a Viper that hasn't had some sort of accident or paintwork?

You can try marv rose at http://www.dodgevipersforsale.com or buy from a VCA club member. You're odds will improve, but expect the price to go up a bit.

 

[OSUbrew]

I'll definitely find out what happened exactly and how it was repaired. Is it really hard to find a Viper that hasn't had some sort of accident or paintwork?

You can try marv rose at http://www.dodgevipersforsale.com or buy from a VCA club member. You're odds will improve, but expect the price to go up a bit.

I found the car on the classifieds for this site lol.

 

[C O D Y]

60% + of all Gen 2 vipers have been in an accident.

I totaled one... I do mean TOTALED! and it is still out theredriving around with a clean title and a CLEAN car fax.

My advice..... YOU MUST HAVE ANY USED VIPER INSPECTED prior to purchasing it.

 

[OSUbrew]

Hmmm, maybe i'll still buy it then if it wasn't too bad and if the paint is pristine. I'll definitely get an inspection.

 

[Purdue_Boiler_Viper]

60% + ??? Opinion or do you have any data?

If the car has been in an accident, it is not worth what a pristine car is worth. If the seller is a liar, I would run away from the deal.

 

[C O D Y]

That's a Dodge number. I can't say any more about it. If you don't want to believe it... no worries for me.

Accidents and Totals are different. Find out what happen to the car before you buy.

I have a list of over 40 VIN's (with pictures) of vipers that have been totaled and have been rebuilt with CLEAN titles and car faxes.

60% + ??? Opinion or do you have any data?

If the car has been in an accident, it is not worth what a pristine car is worth. If the seller is a liar, I would run away from the deal.

 

[Purdue_Boiler_Viper]

What do you mean that's a Dodge number? Has nothing to do with belief. Do you have a Dodge link that supports a 60%+ accident rate?

 

[Gerald Levin]

I'd either get a reduction in price or I'd boogie and not buy the car. There are too many other pristine cars out there (definitely more than 40%) and if your intentions are to keep this for a long time, this blemish will haunt (like an ex-wife).

 

[Purdue_Boiler_Viper]

Ditto Gerald.

 

[NHL2133]

60% + of all Gen 2 vipers have been in an accident.

I totaled one... I do mean TOTALED! and it is still out there driving around with a clean title and a CLEAN car fax.

My advice..... YOU MUST HAVE ANY USED VIPER INSPECTED prior to purchasing it.

So what you are saying is that 7176.6 of the 11961 (includes 1996 RT/10) Gen 2 Vipers have been in an accident? That's really hard to believe.

 

[C O D Y]

Believe what ever you want. Not my problem...

Some people think there is a space ship behind Haleys comet. Drink all the Cool Aid you want.

Here are just some VIN's for you to have fun with..... Enjoy!

1B3BR65E7PV200328 Red 43,176 Salvage
1B3BR65EXRV102154 Red 39,741 Salvage
1B3BR65E8RV102203 Black 62,000 Clear
1B3BR65E7RV100247 (Now) White w/ Blue stripes 42,734 Other
1B3BR65E2RV101614 Black 37,000 Salvage
1B3BR65E1RV102107 Red 15,170 Salvage
1B3BR65E0SV200664 Black Salvage
1B3BR65E3SV201419 Red Salvage
1B3BR65E2SV201458 Now Yellow 22,000 Reconstructed
1B3BR65E6SV200166 Red Salvage
1B3BR65E6TV100120 Red with Yellow wheels 12,648 Clear
1B3ER69E7TV200704 Blue w/ White stripes Unknown
1B3ER69E2VV302513 Red 27,000 Unknown
1B3ER69E6VV302420 Red Unknown
1B3ER65E6WV400127 Red 13,000 Salvage
1B3ER65E5WV400443 Red 39,461 Clean
1B3ER65E8WV400498 Red 8,043 Salvage
1B3ER65EXWV401118 Silver 18,000 Salvage
1B3ER65E6WV401312 Silver 12,500 Clear
1B3ER65E0XV503531 Now Yellow (Not stock) 13,250 Salvage
1B3ER69E7XV503455 Silver with burgundy stripes 33,000 Salvage
1B3ER69E2XV503654 Silver 10,000 Salvage
1B3ER69E6XV503706 Black w/ Yellow Stripes 14,879 Salvage
1B3ER69E0XV504527 Black 18,484 Clear
1B3ER65E5YV604713 Black 19,000 Salvage
1B3ER65E2YV605351 Steel grey 10,500 Salvage
1B3ER69E3YV602968 Black 11,000 Salvage
1B3ER69EXYV604913 Black 9,000 Salvage
1B3ER69E5YV602874 Now Red 5,400 Rebuilt
1B3ER65E91V700804 Yellow 5,200 Salvage
1B3ER69EX1V702863 Red ACR 2,200 Clean
1B3ER69EX1V702989 Steel Gray 27,000 Salvage
1B3ER69E81V703459 Steel Gray w/ Stripes 12,242 Salvage
1B3ER65E91V703475 Wrecked
1B3ER69E61V703217 Yellow w/ Black stripes ACR 9,000 Salvage
1B3ER69E41V704754 Yellow w/ Black stripes 15,000 Salvage
1B3ER69EX1V704709 Yellow w/ Black stripes 16,781 Clear
1B3ER65E52V101352 Repainted Gamma Gold 6,200 Salvage
1B3ER65E32V100801 Graphite Grey / Connolly 6,000 Salvage
1B3ER65E32V101270 Yellow 3,200 Salvage
1B3ER65E12V102403 Red 22,536 Clear
1B3ER65E52V102517 Graphite grey 13,000 Salvage
1B3ER65E92V101578 Graphite Grey 12,494 Clear
1B3ER69E12V102153 Yellow w/ Black stripes ACR 6,300 Salvage
1B3ER69EX2V102975 Red w/ White Stripes FE 10,209 Salvage
1B3ER69E92V102224 Yellow 1,800 Salvage
1B3JR65Z13V500083 Red 2,445 Salvage
1B3JR65Z23V500481 Red 3,825 Clear
1B3JR65Z53V500667 Red 881 Salvage
1B3JR65Z03V501774 Red 2,536 Rebuildable
1B3JZ65Z14V100560 Silver 387 Clear
1B3JZ65Z24V100566 Red 15 Salvage



This is just a sample.

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Yes, they are all totaled Vipers.

BUT AGAIN I say believe what ever you want.

 

[2MANYTOYS]

Find another car. I wouldn't buy it.

 

[ryan94rt10]

hey osu

there are too many vipers out there to except one that has been wrecked...so i would keep looking! if you ever go to sell that thing the accident will definitely lower your value later!...but if you decide to buy it, the owner now should lower the price...and if they aren't willing to lower the price significantly (several thousand $'s) i wouldn't buy it all together...if they are willing to lie about the accident...what else are they lying about????????

if they are telling you they didn't know the car had been in an accident...they are really lazy and didn't research the car before purchase, or they are just plain lying to you...either way it spells for a disaster of a purchase from that owner...imo

 

[DEVILDOG]

Believe what ever you want. Not my problem...

Some people think there is a space ship behind Haleys comet. Drink all the Cool Aid you want.

Here are just some VIN's for you to have fun with..... Enjoy!

1B3BR65E7PV200328 Red 43,176 Salvage
1B3BR65EXRV102154 Red 39,741 Salvage
1B3BR65E8RV102203 Black 62,000 Clear
1B3BR65E7RV100247 (Now) White w/ Blue stripes 42,734 Other
1B3BR65E2RV101614 Black 37,000 Salvage
1B3BR65E1RV102107 Red 15,170 Salvage
1B3BR65E0SV200664 Black Salvage
1B3BR65E3SV201419 Red Salvage
1B3BR65E2SV201458 Now Yellow 22,000 Reconstructed
1B3BR65E6SV200166 Red Salvage
1B3BR65E6TV100120 Red with Yellow wheels 12,648 Clear
1B3ER69E7TV200704 Blue w/ White stripes Unknown
1B3ER69E2VV302513 Red 27,000 Unknown
1B3ER69E6VV302420 Red Unknown
1B3ER65E6WV400127 Red 13,000 Salvage
1B3ER65E5WV400443 Red 39,461 Clean
1B3ER65E8WV400498 Red 8,043 Salvage
1B3ER65EXWV401118 Silver 18,000 Salvage
1B3ER65E6WV401312 Silver 12,500 Clear
1B3ER65E0XV503531 Now Yellow (Not stock) 13,250 Salvage
1B3ER69E7XV503455 Silver with burgundy stripes 33,000 Salvage
1B3ER69E2XV503654 Silver 10,000 Salvage
1B3ER69E6XV503706 Black w/ Yellow Stripes 14,879 Salvage
1B3ER69E0XV504527 Black 18,484 Clear
1B3ER65E5YV604713 Black 19,000 Salvage
1B3ER65E2YV605351 Steel grey 10,500 Salvage
1B3ER69E3YV602968 Black 11,000 Salvage
1B3ER69EXYV604913 Black 9,000 Salvage
1B3ER69E5YV602874 Now Red 5,400 Rebuilt
1B3ER65E91V700804 Yellow 5,200 Salvage
1B3ER69EX1V702863 Red ACR 2,200 Clean
1B3ER69EX1V702989 Steel Gray 27,000 Salvage
1B3ER69E81V703459 Steel Gray w/ Stripes 12,242 Salvage
1B3ER65E91V703475 Wrecked
1B3ER69E61V703217 Yellow w/ Black stripes ACR 9,000 Salvage
1B3ER69E41V704754 Yellow w/ Black stripes 15,000 Salvage
1B3ER69EX1V704709 Yellow w/ Black stripes 16,781 Clear
1B3ER65E52V101352 Repainted Gamma Gold 6,200 Salvage
1B3ER65E32V100801 Graphite Grey / Connolly 6,000 Salvage
1B3ER65E32V101270 Yellow 3,200 Salvage
1B3ER65E12V102403 Red 22,536 Clear
1B3ER65E52V102517 Graphite grey 13,000 Salvage
1B3ER65E92V101578 Graphite Grey 12,494 Clear
1B3ER69E12V102153 Yellow w/ Black stripes ACR 6,300 Salvage
1B3ER69EX2V102975 Red w/ White Stripes FE 10,209 Salvage
1B3ER69E92V102224 Yellow 1,800 Salvage
1B3JR65Z13V500083 Red 2,445 Salvage
1B3JR65Z23V500481 Red 3,825 Clear
1B3JR65Z53V500667 Red 881 Salvage
1B3JR65Z03V501774 Red 2,536 Rebuildable
1B3JZ65Z14V100560 Silver 387 Clear
1B3JZ65Z24V100566 Red 15 Salvage



This is just a sample.

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Yes, they are all totaled Vipers.

BUT AGAIN I say believe what ever you want.

All the more reason to keep my non-wrecked Viper.

 

[OSUbrew]

Well hell, i don't know what to do now. I was really looking forward to getting my Viper next weekend.

Anyone know of any Vipers for sale in great shape for under $55,000 and low miles?

I'm looking for:

97 Blue and White GTS
99 Black and Silver GTS or ACR
01 Sapphire Blue and Silver GTS or ACR

 

[Bonkers]

What do you mean that's a Dodge number? Has nothing to do with belief. Do you have a Dodge link that supports a 60%+ accident rate?

It's a fact. I have hundreds of verified VINs and about a thousand cars I haven't been able to match to a VIN. Those numbers comprise the ones that A) I could find, B) had a VIN listed with it, C) were released to the public as salvage, and D) were even reported as damaged. Mathmatically since about 50% of totaled vipers never reach the insurance company (racers and grossly affluent never get insurance companies involved in a claim) they cannot be totaled. With that estimate my numbers jump into a solid 3000 range and I've only been doing this since 2003 - ten years of tracking unaccounted for (mostly.)

7,000 totaled vipers... unlikely but possible. Not far off.

7,000 vipers in accidents? Easily. I'd bet honest money on that figure.

 

[C O D Y]

Bonkers, if you see any VINs in that list that you don't have on your list, let me know and I'll send you the pictures of the wrecks.