need advise on viper coupes

[ukester]

I have never driven a viper-i have owned a 08 z06 and i am thinking about buying a viper coupe.Many people have told me that they ride well not well and they are slower than the car i had,i just need some owners telling me how well they like there car and how well it performs.
Last the years i am looking at 06-08-09 i know the diff between the 06 and on up but is there any diff on 09 vs 08.

hey thanks a lot for any info.

mark

 

[bmw2nv2000]

I had an 04 viper then went to a C6Z relly liked the C6Z but I sold it to get back in a Viper(06 coupe). Yeah I really like the C6 vette but just got so tired of blending in(and my C6 wasa modded to hell and back so it was not plain by no means). I have driven my viper a lot over the last 7 months and have yet to meet another viper on the road but Ive seen at least fifty C6 vettes on the road in that 7 months. Viper all the way

 

[AZTVR]

Here's a non-Gen 3/4 owner's opinion. (But am a Gen 2 Coupe owner.) If you think that you might want to own one, just buy it, once you figure out which one. You aren't getting married to it ! Not every ********* is worth keeping at home for life; but, almost all are fun for a while !

If you are a car guy, there is no question. If you aren't, that not a problem; but, you will get lots of pro-Viper responses here since we are the ones who stayed with the car.

 

[vancouver-gts]

Who told you that a stock Z06 is faster than a stock Viper ? If the Viper came with 3.42 rear gear like the Vette , the Viper would have embarrassed the Z06 big time . Check the stats here >

SUPERCARS.NET - Comprehensive Specifications, Galleries & Forums since 1996

2008 C6 , 1/4 = 12.4 sec Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z51 lap times and specs - FastestLaps.com
In 2009 the Z06 bettered the 0-60 times to 3.7 from 3.8 of previous models and improved 1/4
times to 11.7 from 12.4 , kudos for that. Vipers should have had at least the 3.42 gears to compete !
I have 4.10's and don't really care if I won't do 187 mph like with stock 3.07's.

Ukester , if you're getting an 08 Viper , you'll like it because it's a lot smoother [just like the Vette you had] with its variable camshafts and improved gearbox/shifter and will beat any non-modified Z06 . I personally like my GTS even if it feels crude to the newer model Viper.

 

[bluesrt]

i have had a ton of corvettes,(all years) have had 2 vipers (08 and 09) corvettes are more user casual friendly- vipers from 03 up are fighterjet type fit to the seat feel. i think the vette is more comfortable-but trade that off for a viper for the rare look and exotic type attraction. older vipers are more comfortable than the newer ones.(imo)

 

[bigmack339]

Corvettes in the Viper forum. Buying a Viper for looks an the rarity....
Hmm..
The SRT-10 is a tight fit; the driver feels like part of the vehicle while driving. The view is obscured by design. The manufacturer only provided the necessities, but the wants are still available for the enthusiast.

The redesigned motor is powerful, even though the exhaust doesn't give evidence. The air conditioner isn't superb, the headroom adequate, trunk space useful, or the radio overwhelming.

The Vette vs Viper argument is opinionated. Owners can be brand loyal. Arguments can be based on what is read rather than from experience. Which car is faster, quicker, or better? Magazine X ran the 0-60 in 3.8 seconds in a Z06 while Bud did this in 3.6.

I've test driven a C5 Z06 and didn't like anything about the car other than its' black paint and chrome rims. The seats didn't hold me in place, the brakes and steering were typical overpowered GM stock, the interior wasn't appealing nor the exhaust note. The whole driving experience was rather dull and seemed pricey for the product.

The Viper was breathtaking. The steering feedback was in tune with the road, the consistent power flow from the pedal, the huge tires holding corners, and the feeling this car could kill me at any moment was enough to change my mind.

It wasn't popularity or rarity. The choice was based on what type of car was right for this driver, and it wasn't GM.

 

[ukester]

ok then is there a difference between the 08 and 09 viper coupe?

 

[Twister]

Trust me.....get the viper..preferably the 2008 unless you want 700 rwhp then get the 06....people always compare the srt and z....but in reality the ownership experiance isnt even close to the same....o8 may have a differant drve by wire than the 09 but i forget

 

[johniew398]

I have never driven a viper-i have owned a 08 z06 and i am thinking about buying a viper coupe.Many people have told me that they ride well not well and they are slower than the car i had,i just need some owners telling me how well they like there car and how well it performs.
Last the years i am looking at 06-08-09 i know the diff between the 06 and on up but is there any diff on 09 vs 08.

hey thanks a lot for any info.

mark

I owned Vettes since 85 and had an 06 Z06 and now have a ZR1. Want comfort? Stick with the Vettes.

Want a pure sports car? Go with the Viper. It's like a muscle car should be, loud, not as soft as the Vette but a lot more fun to drive. The Viper isn't an every day car for most of us but on weekends or on Fridays when I take my Viper to work it's all smiles (that's me smiling) (and stares).

 

[JohnnyViper]

its what you want not what others say, if you wanted a viper you would know it definitively, if you have to ask stay with the vette

 

[Paul Hawker]

Vipers and Vetts have totally different driving experiences.

Standard Vetts are smoother, quieter, and easier to drive. (Mini Vans are even quieter and smoother)

Vipers are more driver connected, with a more engaging experience. (Fighter Jets are even more connected and engaging.)

Gotta ask yourself which turns YOUR crank.

 

[351carlo]

Who told you that a stock Z06 is faster than a stock Viper ? If the Viper came with 3.42 rear gear like the Vette , the Viper would have embarrassed the Z06 big time . Check the stats here >

SUPERCARS.NET - Comprehensive Specifications, Galleries & Forums since 1996

2008 C6 , 1/4 = 12.4 sec Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z51 lap times and specs - FastestLaps.com
In 2009 the Z06 bettered the 0-60 times to 3.7 from 3.8 of previous models and improved 1/4
times to 11.7 from 12.4 , kudos for that. Vipers should have had at least the 3.42 gears to compete !
I have 4.10's and don't really care if I won't do 187 mph like with stock 3.07's.

Ukester , if you're getting an 08 Viper , you'll like it because it's a lot smoother [just like the Vette you had] with its variable camshafts and improved gearbox/shifter and will beat any non-modified Z06 . I personally like my GTS even if it feels crude to the newer model Viper.

This post is quite wrong. The Fastest Lap time you posted is for a base model Z51 car, not a Z06. The Z06 has gone consistent low 11s in stock form and some have cracked 10s with just a tire.

The 2009 Z06 is no faster than the 2008,2007 or 2006 Z06. You're just making stuff up at this point.

A Z06 makes more power, with a smaller motor, a higher redline and about 300lbs lighter than the Gen III Viper.

Anyhow there is no comparsion between the Viper and Vette. The Z06 is the higher performing car vs. the GenIII but the GenIII is much more rare and the intangibles from owning the Viper are very cool.

 

[FLATOUT]

Owned a blown Z06 and it was great, but the Viper to me atleast is on a different level. No going back for me.

 

[vancouver-gts]

This post is quite wrong. The Fastest Lap time you posted is for a base model Z51 car, not a Z06. The Z06 has gone consistent low 11s in stock form and some have cracked 10s with just a tire.

Had a few Vettes myself [ this one is an oldie with 427 tripower

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and not a hater . Haven't heard of a bonestock Z06 with stock tires going low 11's

 

[swexlin]

A Z06 makes more power, with a smaller motor, a higher redline and about 300lbs lighter than the Gen III Viper.

Not quite right. The final (SAE-net revised)rated power figure for the 8.3L motor was 510 hp, with 525 lb ft, I believe (not the 500/500 you often see quoted). The C6 Z06 remains at 505/470. So, while lighter, it does NOT make more power, and is lower in torque than at GenII 8.0L , let alone the 8.3 liter.

Z06 vs GenIII pretty much preferance and a drivers' race.

 

[ViperGTS]

buy the car you want to nothing else matters.

There will be always something faster on the roads - although I did not encounter many cars being faster so far in 10 years.

 

[vipertanz]

Why does everybody compare the stock viper to the z06 vet? Wouldn't a better comparison be the acr to the z06? The vet IMHO is for old blue haired ladies and the viper is the most badass machine on the planet.

 

[crazyspeed]

Yea,, listen to the people, Vettes are they way to go ...faster and better...ya don't want folks to call you eccentric??

I have never driven a viper-i have owned a 08 z06 and i am thinking about buying a viper coupe.Many people have told me that they ride well not well and they are slower than the car i had,i just need some owners telling me how well they like there car and how well it performs.
Last the years i am looking at 06-08-09 i know the diff between the 06 and on up but is there any diff on 09 vs 08.

hey thanks a lot for any info.

mark

 

[351carlo]

Had a few Vettes myself [ this one is an oldie with 427 tripower
and not a hater . Haven't heard of a bonestock Z06 with stock tires going low 11's

No problem. I'm a fan of C2s myself but have a little more experience with C6Zs....

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Just a couple hanging out....

As far as low 11s bone stock with stock tires, they've actually gone 10s as well.

Bone stock on stock tires:
1~~~~ 10.981 128.90 1.77 Jamie Furman~ 2006 details~~ thread
2~~~~ 11.025 127.25 1.70 Ranger ~~~~~ 2006 details~~ thread video
3~~~~ 11.177 127.08 1.79 walterm32~~~ 2008 details~~ thread
4~~~~ 11.242 122.38 1.68 Dr.Ron ~~~~~ 2006 details~~ thread
5~~~~ 11.311 122.89 1.80 BLU-BY-U ~~~ 2006 details~~ thread

Obviously I have a Viper, so I'm not going to say the 'vette is the car to buy. Simply pointing out that the 'vette is not the slower car compared to a Gen III

 

[351carlo]

Not quite right. The final (SAE-net revised)rated power figure for the 8.3L motor was 510 hp, with 525 lb ft, I believe (not the 500/500 you often see quoted). The C6 Z06 remains at 505/470. So, while lighter, it does NOT make more power, and is lower in torque than at GenII 8.0L , let alone the 8.3 liter.

Z06 vs GenIII pretty much preferance and a drivers' race.

Ok, I was referring to the 2003-2006 SRT10 Convertibles which were rated at 500. The 505 Cubic Inch motor made 500hp, the LS7's 427 CID made 505. The LS7 does indeed make more power than my 8.3L, regardless it isn't a ******* match or a dick measuring contest just refuting the claim that the 'vette was slower. To claim the stock Z06 would be slower than a stock Gen III is laughable.

 

[JohnnyViper]

 

[Twister]

Carlo 351...gotta disagree with you on several things...first and foremost in head to head handling rwevies the gen3 viper actually beat the z06 more than half the time on road courses and figure eights/skidpads ect....so in this respect the gen3 actually handled better than the 2006 z06...but keep in mind the 2007 and 2008 z06s added improved steering ect but those models were never tested against a gen 3 viper

secondly all gen3 vipers are 510 hp...sae adjustment standards showed that the viper was underatwd by 10 hp and all 2003 through 2006 vipers hp rateing was changed from 500 hp tp 510 hp...the z06s 505 hp rateing was found to be correct and the number stayed the same..


thirdly....300 pounds is far from correct in weight differance but it really depends on wich year you are talking about...example is a 2006 z06 weighed Pounds while a 2007 z06 with added sound deadening and and steering changes weighs 3190 pounds...and a 2011 z06 with the zr1 suspension carbon package weighs 3320 pounds...in compari

 

[Twister]

Son...a 2003 through 2006 viper convertable is 3380 pounds...even against the lightest 2006 z06 at 3140 pounds this is only a 240 pound weight differance...against the 2007 through 2011 z06 your talking a 50 through 200 pound advantage in weight for the z06.......Race a 3380 pound 2003 vert viper against a 2009 z06 with the sound deadening and steering/handling improvement plus a few options at 3220 pounds and it is very close...your talking 160 pounds...far away from 300...

with that said yes the z06 is a faster straightline car...the light weight 2006 z06 is a legitimate 125-126 mph car while a 2006 viper vert is a legitimate 121-122 mph car...but again every year it seems like they add weight to the z06...so 2008 z06 is a legitimate 124-125 mph car...while the +06 carbone with its 3320 pounds is a legitimate 123-124 mph car...

point im trying to make is the z06 just really depends on the year and options..ive got plenty of vids of my 03 viper.squareing off againt a 2007 z06...very close

 

[Twister]

As for quartermile times..well just think about this.....viper is not a car you buy to quartermile...it is an low end exotic car at 85-112k....their are 6k gen 3 srt's in the world from 2003-2006....5k of them are convertables that arent even allowed to drag race without a roll bar or certified hard top...so the very few srt owners who wanted to drag their verts.......many were booted off the track the first time they broke 13's..

in comparison the 2006 z06 at 7k produced the first year (now 40k) already had more z06s then srt's...all 7k of them had hardtops that could drag at any strip....as well theirs nothing exotic about the z06...many of the owners had previous vettes that they drag raced and then bought the newest fastest vette to go drag race......

is the z06 a solid 3mph faster and 3tenths faster in the 1/4 mile....yes it is....but only now in 2010 are we finally getting a few guys to drag their gen3s...one guy with just a tune and exhaust and airintake has ran 11.2s on stock tires...rant over

 

[PDCjonny]

As if any of that matters to the OP, comparing micro second differences that dedicated track rats with 50 passes a day on perfect tracks run.

 

[swexlin]

secondly all gen3 vipers are 510 hp...sae adjustment standards showed that the viper was underatwd by 10 hp and all 2003 through 2006 vipers hp rateing was changed from 500 hp tp 510 hp...the z06s 505 hp rateing was found to be correct and the number stayed the same

This is what I was trying to tell him, but he seems to have ignored it when he replied to my post!

I love the Z06s, and wouldn't kick one out of my garage! Both are great, but different, cars.

 

[swexlin]

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Originally Posted by swexlin
Not quite right. The final (SAE-net revised)rated power figure for the 8.3L motor was 510 hp, with 525 lb ft, I believe (not the 500/500 you often see quoted). The C6 Z06 remains at 505/470. So, while lighter, it does NOT make more power, and is lower in torque than at GenII 8.0L , let alone the 8.3 liter.

Z06 vs GenIII pretty much preferance and a drivers' race.

Ok, I was referring to the 2003-2006 SRT10 Convertibles which were rated at 500. The 505 Cubic Inch motor made 500hp, the LS7's 427 CID made 505. The LS7 does indeed make more power than my 8.3L, regardless it isn't a ******* match or a dick measuring contest just refuting the claim that the 'vette was slower. To claim the stock Z06 would be slower than a stock Gen III is laughable.

Not claiming anything. As I said, drivers' race. Did you read what I wrote? Original ratings were 500 until the 2006 MY, when the SAE standards for all cars were revised, and all Gen III motors were re-rated at 510 hp. As I recall, some Toyotas and other cars actually "lost" HP due to the new ratings. Regardless, 500,505,510, doesn't really matter. It's all good. I love the Z06s, and wouldn't mind owning one. Too many toys already though.

 

[Roysviper]

Why does everybody compare the stock viper to the z06 vet? Wouldn't a better comparison be the acr to the z06? The vet IMHO is for old blue haired ladies and the viper is the most badass machine on the planet.

NO, a better comparison is ACR VIPER and ZR1, the Z06 is small potatoes.

 

[351carlo]

Not quite right. The final (SAE-net revised)rated power figure for the 8.3L motor was 510 hp, with 525 lb ft, I believe (not the 500/500 you often see quoted). The C6 Z06 remains at 505/470. So, while lighter, it does NOT make more power, and is lower in torque than at GenII 8.0L , let alone the 8.3 liter.

Z06 vs GenIII pretty much preferance and a drivers' race.

My apologies, if this is the case I can find no documentation on it to verify. The only information I can find is that they increased the HP/TQ by 10 when they produced the Coupe in '06.

Who told you that a stock Z06 is faster than a stock Viper ? If the Viper came with 3.42 rear gear like the Vette , the Viper would have embarrassed the Z06 big time . Check the stats here >

SUPERCARS.NET - Comprehensive Specifications, Galleries & Forums since 1996

2008 C6 , 1/4 = 12.4 sec corvette_c6_z51.html[/B]]Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z51 lap times and specs - FastestLaps.com
In 2009 the Z06 bettered the 0-60 times to 3.7 from 3.8 of previous models and improved 1/4
times to 11.7 from 12.4 , kudos for that. Vipers should have had at least the 3.42 gears to compete !
I have 4.10's and don't really care if I won't do 187 mph like with stock 3.07's.

Ukester , if you're getting an 08 Viper , you'll like it because it's a lot smoother [just like the Vette you had] with its variable camshafts and improved gearbox/shifter and will beat any non-modified Z06 . I personally like my GTS even if it feels crude to the newer model Viper.

Guys you're blowing this WAY out of proportion. Look at the statement bolded above. All I was doing was disputing this claim.

Again I have a GenIII Viper in my garage, and you can see our shop pictured above.

 

[351carlo]

thirdly....300 pounds is far from correct in weight differance but it really depends on wich year you are talking about...example is a 2006 z06 weighed Pounds while a 2007 z06 with added sound deadening and and steering changes weighs 3190 pounds...and a 2011 z06 with the zr1 suspension carbon package weighs 3320 pounds...in compari

2006 1LZ is 3080 lbs. 2006 2LZ jumps to 3130. I'm not incorrect in this regard.