quick question on engine swaps...

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just wondering if you can drop in a gen 3 or gen 4 motor into a gen 2.

im thinking you cant for some reason because id imagine id be reading more posts on it.
sorry if its a dumb question.
 

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There are a few threads on this subject. Gen 3 swap is apparently easier than Gen 4 but both are non-trivial because the wiring/electronics have to change A LOT.
 

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Can you do it? Yes. But, it is much easier to build a Gen 2 motor and put it in. I just went through this decision, all the mechanicals work and are pretty straight forward. Wiring and electronics are where things get tricky.
 

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you can do anything if you have money sonny- why not just buy a gen 3 or 4- its alot of money for the transplant, more than you know what kind of bag of worms you will be getting into, then it will be a over invested pile of metal
 
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you can do anything if you have money sonny- why not just buy a gen 3 or 4- its alot of money for the transplant, more than you know what kind of bag of worms you will be getting into, then it will be a over invested pile of metal

ive actually had a couple of gen 3s and a gen 4.
i have a gen 2 now and i know its thousands and thousands of dollars to do anything with the engine, just doing head work and cam you can almost just buy a used engine. "almost." heck, most folks would pull the motor to do heads and cam anyway.
why is the wiring such a can of worms?
 
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Its very time oriented for all of the whole transplant if you want it to look and be right..the vca has new motors for the price of peanuts
 
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Its very time oriented for all of the whole transplant if you want it to look and be right..the vca has new motors for the price of peanuts

i know its time consuming, im assuming no one has come out with a universal wiring harness for the vipers.
still unclear on specifically why its economically ill advised. i understand its time consuming, so are most engine swaps from one gen to another but i would think the wiring would be easier going gen 3 motor to gen 2.
i dont know, i admit im a bit naive to some of the nuances of a viper. in the past ive supercharged a mustang and had to get a wiring harness, makes the job much easier. ive put together a superformance gt40, again the wiring wasnt all that hard. not saying its easy, but certainly not a deal breaker. as long as the motor bolts up to the original mounting points i cant see where this is such a mount everest of a project to drop in a gen 3 motor ecu and all.
i suppose if i was gonna do all that id probably clean the heads up and swap cams anyway. :)
 

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FWIW, I have a Gen 3 intake on a Gen 2 engine and found that the torque builds more gradually and the top end power is slightly higher than with the Gen 2 intake. I don't have a strict apples-to-apples comparison because other minor stuff was changed at the same time the Gen 3 intake swap happened but I believe the long runners on the Gen 2 do sponsor a big torque-blast at lower rpms.

If its a street car and you like the torque blast, keep the Gen 2 manifold...if you prefer slightly more power above 5000, the Gen 3 swap may be the ticket.
 
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FWIW, I have a Gen 3 intake on a Gen 2 engine and found that the torque builds more gradually and the top end power is slightly higher than with the Gen 2 intake. I don't have a strict apples-to-apples comparison because other minor stuff was changed at the same time the Gen 3 intake swap happened but I believe the long runners on the Gen 2 do sponsor a big torque-blast at lower rpms.

If its a street car and you like the torque blast, keep the Gen 2 manifold...if you prefer slightly more power above 5000, the Gen 3 swap may be the ticket.

in that case i think ill skip swapping out manifolds. i like how torquey the gen 2 is i just think it needs a little more top end.
 
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