SRT-10 Got Beat By Battery-Powered "T0"!!!

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SRT-10 Got Beat By Battery-Powered \"T0\"!!!

***, I just watched a show called "Tactical to Practical" on the History channel, where they showed a red SRT-10 get beat by some battery-powered little yellow thing called "T0" in a 1/4 mile run. :mad: They did not offer any ET or trap speed, but the driver of the SRT-10 (who happens to be the host of the show) just said the battery-powered thingy was FAST and capable of 0-60 in 3.6 seconds. Maybe it is or maybe it isn't, but why did they run the f*cking thing against SRT-10 to make our Viper look bad? :confused: Freedom of speech, I guess... They did, however, state that the Viper would have ran away from the little thingy beyond the quarter.
 

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I would take the use of the SRT10 as an affirmation of the SRT10's speed. Why test a high tech electro buggy against a sedan, it would not have near the wow factor as going up against a world class exotic.
 

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Well, the great thing about electric cars is the fact that every single ft-lb of their torque is available at 1 RPM. This continues throughout the powerband. So essentially if you put big enough tires on it, and made it light enough then yes, it could quite easily run those numbers. But, after 4 or 5 1/4 passes, you would have to wait 8 hours to recharge.

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Lithium Ion battery power, electric motors driven on over voltage, and amperage, very short life on components.

Very interesting.

Maybe we could add a shot of this kind of juice to the Viper.

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Re: SRT-10 Got Beat By Battery-Powered \"T0\"!!!

How about a steam powered hybrid electric? Just wrap a water jacket around the exhaust and instant free steam! Might even help keep the interior a degree or two cooler :D
 

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Three phase electric motors rotate at the speed (in hertz) of the applied AC. (Depending on the number of poles the motor has)

The beauty about this is, that the speed can be very efficiently controlled by varying the frequency applied to the motor, from 0 rpm to max rpm of maybe 20,000 rpm or so. The speed of the motor is infinitely variable, providing a smooth, stepless acceleration. You already know the big difference between granny shifting, and staying on the gas as you bang the gears, well thats the difference with a vehicle that doesn't shift at all. It spends more time accelerating, since it doesn't pause to shift.

These type of motor drives are called VVVF, for Variable Voltage, Variable Frequency. They take the DC from the storage battery, and produce an "artificial" AC by using two power transistors back to back, one PNP, and one NPN. These two power transistors comprise one "phase board", usually on a big heat sink with cooling fins. The GM Impact, or EV1, had a water cooling system for them, to dissipate the heat. Each transistor takes its turn at gating the DC either in a positive curve, or a negative curve, thereby making the "artificial" AC, in a single phase. Add two more phase boards, and you have 3 phase power. The transistors on the phase boards are gated, or switched on and off, by cicuits that produce the desired profile of acceleration.

And since maximum torque is available throughout that RPM range, an electric car can start out from 0 MPH with maximum torque, accelerate to its maximum speed, without the need to change gears. With a max RPM on the order of 20,000 RPM, and a flat torque "curve" throughout its RPM range, gear changes are not neccessary. Yes, they do have some gear reduction to multiply the torque, but they don't change the ratio on-the-fly, like a gas engined car does, as the driver is obligated to go through several gears to get the most acceleration from the torque and HP characteristics of the engine. No "transmission" in an electric car means less wasted energy.

Most all-electric cars have some form of dynamic braking, coupling the motor to the wheels, forcing the motor to rotate turns the motor into a generator, that harnesses some of the kinetic energy of the moving vehicle back into electricity to charge the batteries. The braking action usually is combination of friction material and regeneration, since not all the kinetic energy can be converted and applied to the batteries. (They just don't accept such a rapid influx of electrons!) On a side note, there are municipal busses in Europe that recover almost ALL the kinetic energy by turning a big flywheel, that aids in take-off. Compare this efficiency to the common brake, that just wears out pads, dusts rims, and makes crazy heat, making no good use at all of the kinetic energy of the vehicle. Sort of like a modern day tail skid, just dragging the load to a stop. Not too bright. Add to that the fact that internal combustion engines make massive amounts of wasted heat, take horsepower just to rotate the mass, wear themselves out internally, require frequent oil changes, etc, and the total picture of energy usage looks pretty dimwitted. I forgot the numbers, but I think something like 25% of the energy of a gallon of gas is actually converted to moving the vehicle, and the rest is wasted in heat, and combustion byproducts. That is still practical, since there is so much energy in the gasoline. Even with such a dismal conversion efficiency, the gasoline internal combustion engine still performs very well. And every year, manufacturers learn how to harness more of the power available in the gasoline. Todays' small block V8s are producing as much as some of yesterdays' big blocks. But there is still a long way to go before automotive technology catches up to the best available technology of mankind.

In an electric car, the energy from the batteries is converted more directly to forward motion, compared to internal combustion engines. But the biggest drawback of all this is the weakest link, the storage battery. Until this technology improves, the all-electric car remains impractical because of its relatively short range, and long recharging time, regardless of battery type.

Hydrogen fuel cells sound great as a source of electric, but no one mentions that hydrogen takes a lot of energy to make, energy that comes from oil or nuclear sources.

Hybrids make use of the flexibility of electric power, and the range and shear explosive energy of gasoline. But no Prius for me just yet!

Someday, if they make an electic car that does 3.5 seconds 0-60, and tops out at 200 MPH, maybe I'll buy one! :D
 

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How about a steam powered hybrid electric? Just wrap a water jacket around the exhaust and instant free steam! Might even help keep the interior a degree or two cooler :D

Now you're thinking! Good idea, harness the wasted heat.
 

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Re: SRT-10 Got Beat By Battery-Powered

there's an electric drag car here that runs silent 10's all night long
 

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Here is the website for the T-Zero:
http://www.acpropulsion.com/tzero_pages/tzero_home.htm
They claim 0-60 in 4.1 and 1/4 mile in 13.2 seconds.
In the video section, you can see the car beating a Corvette in the 1/4 mile.

It could easily be that they have advanced the car to run mid-11s in the 1/4 mile with new controller and battery technologies.

It's more of an experimental electric kit car than anything else, but it would be a fun toy to drive around in, IF it didn't cost more than a SRT-10 Viper!

GM is adding a "hybrid" technology to their upcoming cars by having the alternator work as a motor to generate 8HP, offsetting accessories losses. It's more than a stretch to call it hybrid technology, but GM probably will.

The newest twist is the ultra capacitors that have developed from computer and car stereo power storage advancements. These can store a LOT of energy quickly, and are relatively small and light.So potentially you could have a super-generator that added say 100HP for a short 10-second boost of power, recharging itself quickly from energy now lost in braking.

-Dean.
 
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