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    Let's be real, what would it take? Only short answers please

    This is a bad question there is no single thing that would make it worth the asking price to maker buy it. You would have to change many. It's a great car and good as is. Just drop the price 20k
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    Mopar / SRT - Pay Attention.

    If you want to compare from 1996 inflation matter that is fine. But from 2008-present the whole inflation argument is BS. You can only use that argument when the countries income and salaries have risen with inflation. But they haven't they are stagnant. So being that way it doesn't matter if...
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    2014 Moving Down The Line

    I wish we could get a GTS with the SRT hood and then SRT stripe. The GTS stripes are stupid and don't look good. Red GTS with SRT hood with SRT black stripe or black with red stripe would look amazing.
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    Hello Guys

    Seriously???? The dealer buys the car for a certain price and then marks it up. Unless they are super desperate, they aren't going to sell for less (though for 2013s they happen to be super desperate). I'm fully aware they get holdback if that is what you are referring to but your comments only...
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    Dealer reconnaissance today

    What did you tell her?
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    Hello Guys

    The margin in the GTS model is 8.5k or 7.5k one of those. A dealer showed me the invoice sheet before when I test drove the car.
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    The very best Viper ever built !!

    The base is 2 mode traction control and the interior is still plastic essentially. Now if you were talking about the GTS well then we are 20k higher and the difference is 32k from 2010.
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    Saying bye and giving an apology

    Mercedes and bmw no. But ferrari will give you another ferrari, rolls royce will give you another or bentley and porsche will give you a porsche and lambo will give you a lambo. The problem is SRT has one nice car the viper and the rest are inadequate so no one wants to be given junk when they...
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    Anodized carbon edition

    It sounds like it will look horrible
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    What can SRT engineers do to improve future Gen Vipers?

    Price is the issue because as you said it, at the current price the market sees little value. And there is little value at that price point. At 120k the value is there.
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    What can SRT engineers do to improve future Gen Vipers?

    It seems you 2 are THE ONLY ones who bought an SRT. The perception is simple. The SRT is the cheap viper. So people want the GTS. Most of the pictures being posted here were of LE's or GTS. NOT SRTs.
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    Viper production slowed by one third due to sluggish sales

    I think you guys are missing the point. The point of the new viper was for lack of a better term, not to be so "raw". They fixed that, then priced themselves into the atmosphere of better engineered cars so that is the problem. The base SRT is fine. The GTS is the problem and it is the GTS that...
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    Viper production slowed by one third due to sluggish sales

    I agree with this post. Minus the ferrari part. And this lamborghini post screams for attention, and judging from the location of these pictures it looks like the car is worth more than the home this guy lives in. Either by earning money they just got a big inheritance, or this screams of...
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    Viper production slowed by one third due to sluggish sales

    As far as the shelby, you can't get any car with that kind of HP and performance for under 100k new. That is why it sells so well. And the FGT was the only true american exotic to ever be sold. I consider the viper to be exotic but by european standards it requires the engine to be in the rear.
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    Jalopnik... Why Is No One Buying The SRT Viper?

    This is true with muscle cars and other cars but I don't think so with sports cars. But yes Chrysler has been making leaps and bounds of improvements thanks to Sergio. When I talk to people about the viper, corvette, mustang they always lumped the viper as an exotic and not to be compared even...
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    What can SRT engineers do to improve future Gen Vipers?

    I like all your suggestions but the part in bold has my questioning on a car of this day and age something like the A/C shouldn't have that remark added to it. Maybe even a 7500-8000 RPM limiter because it is an N/A engine.
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    Viper production slowed by one third due to sluggish sales

    If they made it wider they would have to put those side lights or whatever they are that super wide trucks that carry heavy loads use. Ralph already stated this. So it can't be any wider. I mean it is already pretty wide and take up the whole half side of the road. You don't want it to be...
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    Please, stop bashing the gen v

    The gen v is the best viper yet. You are 100% right. But it isn't the best CAR for 130-160k. That is the problem. Maybe this will make them go back to the drawing board and make it better for next year. Track car needs a dry sump oil system for one.
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    Let's try to help SRT save/sell the GEN V.

    It is sad and reflects poorly on the people you are pleading too when you have to state multiple times in your thread that your opinion should not be labeled as a troll because it is negative. But anyways, after nine balls' descriptive stats, he is right. The gen V is not much more expensive...
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    F12 around Laguna Seca

    Again this is not true. Yes they are not as fast around the track but that doesn't mean they don't perform better. Being able to drive fast without chaos and in a comfortable and predictable manner is better engineering than a car you have to wrestle to go fast in. But again the f12 is not a...
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    F12 around Laguna Seca

    It isn't about speed again. Speed is there, more than you need on the street which this car is. It may not be faster but it does everything else better. It is an every day super car while the viper still isn't there yet. It is more refined, has a better interior, exterior, engine, you name it...
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    F12 around Laguna Seca

    You guys the f12 is not a dedicated track car it is a every day DD ferrari. 2nd even a california doesn't have to beat a viper, it is a ferrari plain and simple. It really doesn't matter if it is slower or not. If you are a bench racer who only cares about 0-60 and track mag times then exotic...
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    Looks like the next Vette Hi Po Z07? Will have a twin Turbo?

    What about the 8 and 9 or maybe it was 9 and 10 speed autos they are developing with Ford?
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    "ALERT" Big problems with GEICO Insurance

    State Farm was willing to cover your modifications?
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    Apology to Ralph Gilles

    adrenaline red. viper red. Whatever. I can't keep up with all the different ways car companies call the same color. I'm actually glad he posted up pics of that forgeline lug center nut conversion. I think I'll get that instead of HREs

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