Black Moon
Enthusiast
Excellent idea.
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- Thread starter Twister
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Excellent idea.
Twister, Have you tried to find another Viper owner in Hawaii who has changed his own plug wires? Surely there is another owner out there who can come over and help you out. 
It's not that hard. 
Read this thread and the link in post #8. All found by utilizing the sites "search" feature.
http://forums.viperclub.org/srt10-srt10-coupe-discussions/636257-changing-spark-plug-wires.html
It's not that hard. Read this thread and the link in post #8. All found by utilizing the sites "search" feature.
http://forums.viperclub.org/srt10-srt10-coupe-discussions/636257-changing-spark-plug-wires.html
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Sounds like a pretty expensive fix for something most of us agree probably isn't the problem.
That means they have to remove the cold air intake manifold to get to the coils. I wondered about that, because the coils are right under there and I didn't think there was any way to get to them without removing it. Getting to some of the bolts on that thing takes some creative thinking.
Sounds like a pretty expensive fix for something most of us agree probably isn't the problem.
Shandon
Enthusiast
Its not all that hard to do and it didnt take me 4 hours to remove the intake and replace wires. It is a PIA but.... with a couple cold blue moons waiting in the fridge all wrenching gets easier in my book.
As to the intake gaskets, those are re-usable and don't need replacing unless you damage them somehow. I might be wrong but thats what I was told and did.
As to the intake gaskets, those are re-usable and don't need replacing unless you damage them somehow. I might be wrong but thats what I was told and did.
reuseable....I like that word..
As far as the manifold and changeing the wires I would have tackled it myself or hired someone to do it for 150 bucks and had it done by now..
but if the problem is like we all suspect and bigger than the plugs/wires the dealership will NOT do warranty work until it has done this first..My code as read by the dealer was multiple misfires today...
Due to what the code is saying I saw no way to escape the plugs and wires...
Few years back I had a similar problem that ended up being a loose aftermarket arrow roller rocker on my srt10 viper..But before I ever figured out that it was the roller rocker I went and paid someone to change the spark plugs...total cost was about 60$
Well after changeing the plugs and seeing that the problem was still their I took the car to the dealer to have them find and fix the problem under warranty.
i told them that I had just changed the spark plugs...But guess what. They wouldnt even touch warranty work until I let THEM change the plugs and wires...
So i ate the spark plug bill twice..
So thats why Im almost forced into paying them this outrageous amount to the plugs and wires...
I can pay someone else. But if the problem isnt fixed and i need warranty work done Ill be paying twice for the plugs and wires. So better off just to let them do it...But Hey..Atleaste the yellow 1200 degree wires from Ab will slightly dress the engine bay a little. So not a total loss...
So far 300$ for the plugs /wires and larger looms...And looking like 500$ for the dealer install..
800$ should have been going towards a KN filter intake and BBK throttle body!
As far as the manifold and changeing the wires I would have tackled it myself or hired someone to do it for 150 bucks and had it done by now..
but if the problem is like we all suspect and bigger than the plugs/wires the dealership will NOT do warranty work until it has done this first..My code as read by the dealer was multiple misfires today...
Due to what the code is saying I saw no way to escape the plugs and wires...
Few years back I had a similar problem that ended up being a loose aftermarket arrow roller rocker on my srt10 viper..But before I ever figured out that it was the roller rocker I went and paid someone to change the spark plugs...total cost was about 60$
Well after changeing the plugs and seeing that the problem was still their I took the car to the dealer to have them find and fix the problem under warranty.
i told them that I had just changed the spark plugs...But guess what. They wouldnt even touch warranty work until I let THEM change the plugs and wires...
So i ate the spark plug bill twice..
So thats why Im almost forced into paying them this outrageous amount to the plugs and wires...
I can pay someone else. But if the problem isnt fixed and i need warranty work done Ill be paying twice for the plugs and wires. So better off just to let them do it...But Hey..Atleaste the yellow 1200 degree wires from Ab will slightly dress the engine bay a little. So not a total loss...
So far 300$ for the plugs /wires and larger looms...And looking like 500$ for the dealer install..
800$ should have been going towards a KN filter intake and BBK throttle body!
Twister, call him before you let the dealer loose on your car. One call might save you a bunch of $
SkyBob
Enthusiast
If they choose to change the plugs and wires before beginning warranty work I think the warranty should be paying for them.
TrackAire
Enthusiast
Thank God it is only a plug wire....we should be seeing high quality videos back on the forum by this weekend 
Glad it wasn't something serious, good luck and be safe.
George
Glad it wasn't something serious, good luck and be safe.
George
Questions:
Did they perform a leakdown test?
Did they perform a compression test?
Did they remove both valve covers and inspect the valvetrain?
Did they drop the oil pan and baffle and inspect the rods/bearings?
If so, what was the analysis on the above?
Thx.
Cop Magnet
Enthusiast
Where do I begin?
it looks like you may be correct and the wires appear to be in bad shape. We checked the books and it is a 4 hour job to change the wires...Plus you will need new manifold gaskets. It is 120$ per hour.
You may be correct? They are regurgitating something you said to them, because they know you are thinking along these lines and will find this answer the most palatable.
may be correct? They don't KNOW what the problem is.
appear to be in bad shape? More hedging.
Manifold gaskets? Intake or exhaust? I remember you said the exhaust came loose. But you bolted her back up. Is it leaking? Do they know this? Or, as others have suggested, are they talking about the intake manifold? If so, why? Manifold gaskets can be reused, SOMETIMES, but if they are from 2002, meh, I doubt it.
Finally, it sounds like the dealer is a rip-off if they forced you to use their own spark plugs previously when you already changed them out. Worst case scenario, they do the work you ASK for, it turns out you were wrong and didn't gap the plugs or something, and you have to eat the bill after the fact. But a G up front each time you take the car in for "warranty" work is ridiculous.
it looks like you may be correct and the wires appear to be in bad shape. We checked the books and it is a 4 hour job to change the wires...Plus you will need new manifold gaskets. It is 120$ per hour.
You may be correct? They are regurgitating something you said to them, because they know you are thinking along these lines and will find this answer the most palatable.
may be correct? They don't KNOW what the problem is.
appear to be in bad shape? More hedging.
Manifold gaskets? Intake or exhaust? I remember you said the exhaust came loose. But you bolted her back up. Is it leaking? Do they know this? Or, as others have suggested, are they talking about the intake manifold? If so, why? Manifold gaskets can be reused, SOMETIMES, but if they are from 2002, meh, I doubt it.
Finally, it sounds like the dealer is a rip-off if they forced you to use their own spark plugs previously when you already changed them out. Worst case scenario, they do the work you ASK for, it turns out you were wrong and didn't gap the plugs or something, and you have to eat the bill after the fact. But a G up front each time you take the car in for "warranty" work is ridiculous.
Black Moon
Enthusiast
Gentlemen, I think it's time to close this thread or at least unsubscribe from it. Twister is going to do what Twister wants to do, no matter what is suggested to him. He asked for opinions and recommendations but has yet to do any of them so I say he's on his own. Good luck to him. I hope it's not too serious.
I agree!
All this time and no definite answer yet.
I still say it's a cracked valve spring.
Rheeder218
Viper Owner
who actually take ths manifold off to change the plugs and wires? Theres a ton of room to get to the coil packs.
if the dealer is insisting on changing ur brand new plugs and wires just to make sure they make a few bucks, i would call dodge and report that. i would also ask dodge if any other place is authorized or can be authorized to do warranty work.
just a thought. id be really pissed if they were reaching in my pocket like that.
The code is multiple misfires....Multiple misfires is 90% of the time because of bad spark/wire connection...
So my backs against the wall on this one..
Im sure they are just talking out of there a$$ and havent preformed any leak down test or removed the valve covers ect..
They will not spend any amount of time doing those things until after they see if the plugs and wires eliminate the problem..
It's not that Im not listening to you guys....I have to do what I have to do to ensure that if it is a bigger problem that it will be covered under warranty...
800$ for plugs and wires *****...But multiple THOUSANDS for internal damage is what Im really getting ready for..takeing these BS steps with the dealer is what will allow me to just pay my 100$ deductable and have them **** up the 2K..3K...4K...ect if it is internal...
One thing that concerns me is the Arrow roller rockers (harland Sharps I think)...I am really sweating those. Years ago when a few of them became loose the dealership gave me HELL about covering them under warranty...
But hears the kicker...When the car was brand new she had a bad crank failure that was common on the early gen3's...The engine was sent to arrow raceing under the dealerships bill....while this warranty work was being done to rebuild the engine arrow raceing suggested the roller rockers for another 10 HP...The origional owner checked with his dodge dealership to see if his warranty ect would still be honered. They said it was good to go under the build by arrow raceing..
So like I said those roller rockers gave me hell..Eventually the dealership saw in fact that dodge had autherized arrow raceing at one point to do such things. But they still put up a 2 month fight..
I had purchased stock roller rockers from viper specialty so I wouldnt run into the problem again. unfortunetly I never installed them and sold them and kept Arrow roller rockers in..
Im just really hopeing that those rockers have nothing to do with the problem!!!!!!!!!!!!
cause I could be screwed or at a minimum fighting the dealership for some time...Typically from what Ive seen with dodge is that dealership A could care less about what dealership B told you was covered under warranty.
So my backs against the wall on this one..
Im sure they are just talking out of there a$$ and havent preformed any leak down test or removed the valve covers ect..
They will not spend any amount of time doing those things until after they see if the plugs and wires eliminate the problem..
It's not that Im not listening to you guys....I have to do what I have to do to ensure that if it is a bigger problem that it will be covered under warranty...
800$ for plugs and wires *****...But multiple THOUSANDS for internal damage is what Im really getting ready for..takeing these BS steps with the dealer is what will allow me to just pay my 100$ deductable and have them **** up the 2K..3K...4K...ect if it is internal...
One thing that concerns me is the Arrow roller rockers (harland Sharps I think)...I am really sweating those. Years ago when a few of them became loose the dealership gave me HELL about covering them under warranty...
But hears the kicker...When the car was brand new she had a bad crank failure that was common on the early gen3's...The engine was sent to arrow raceing under the dealerships bill....while this warranty work was being done to rebuild the engine arrow raceing suggested the roller rockers for another 10 HP...The origional owner checked with his dodge dealership to see if his warranty ect would still be honered. They said it was good to go under the build by arrow raceing..
So like I said those roller rockers gave me hell..Eventually the dealership saw in fact that dodge had autherized arrow raceing at one point to do such things. But they still put up a 2 month fight..
I had purchased stock roller rockers from viper specialty so I wouldnt run into the problem again. unfortunetly I never installed them and sold them and kept Arrow roller rockers in..
Im just really hopeing that those rockers have nothing to do with the problem!!!!!!!!!!!!
cause I could be screwed or at a minimum fighting the dealership for some time...Typically from what Ive seen with dodge is that dealership A could care less about what dealership B told you was covered under warranty.
Cop Magnet
Enthusiast
I just think it's odd that well before you took the car in, you called it on them insisting on replacing these specific parts. It's either like you are really Steven-Hawking-smart, or they know you are Lindsay-Lohan-dumb. I'm not saying I have an opinion on that, just weird how this is one big self-fulfilling prophecy for you.
OK copmagnet....i bring my car to you and the code is multiple misfires..what would you suggest?
Plugs and wires are not covered under warranty. But I have no choice. They were gonna make me do it..trust me..
I talked to them again 15 minutes ago and they said if the intake gaskets are reuseable they wont charge me...140$ for both gaskets though..jeeze..
They are also gonna conduct a leak down ect test once the plugs are out.So we will know pretty soon..Im dreading that phone call LOL...
Plugs and wires are not covered under warranty. But I have no choice. They were gonna make me do it..trust me..
I talked to them again 15 minutes ago and they said if the intake gaskets are reuseable they wont charge me...140$ for both gaskets though..jeeze..
They are also gonna conduct a leak down ect test once the plugs are out.So we will know pretty soon..Im dreading that phone call LOL...
xlrashn
Viper Owner
Focus: You've been given much advice about what should be checked. You were also given the phone number of Chuck Tator (914-763-3136). I find it incredibly funny that you're excited about reusing used gaskets to save $140 but you won't pick up the phone to call the man himself for...get ready for this...you ready?....FREE EXPERIENCED ViperTech ADVICE that could possibly save you more time and headaches down the immediate road. But then again...what would we know? Also pray that your dealer does not decide to search this or other boards you've been posting on regarding your 'driving' experiences. I wouldn't be worried about plug wires voiding your warranty.
xlrashn
Viper Owner
Black Moon
Enthusiast
and your car???????
Is it fixed yet?????
Is it fixed yet?????
Great! But did you specifically talk to him about your redline problem?
I have not read all the posts. What was the consensus on the shifter dancing around violently in sixth gear. I doubt that has anything to do with wires or plugs. It could be a cracked transmission and/or engine mount. As for a multiple misfire code, it can also be from too much or too little fuel.
Also, if your exhaust was loose, I strongly recommend that you learn to inspect your car visually, soundwise, ad "feel" wise before you use it. You should know what the normal sounds and "feel" of your car are so that you can tell when something is abnormal. To drive a car in a spirited manner without this klnowledge is dangerous to you and anyone around you on the road.
Good luck with the dealer. It sounds like they do not have a clue what is wrong but I hope that you luck out.
Also, if your exhaust was loose, I strongly recommend that you learn to inspect your car visually, soundwise, ad "feel" wise before you use it. You should know what the normal sounds and "feel" of your car are so that you can tell when something is abnormal. To drive a car in a spirited manner without this klnowledge is dangerous to you and anyone around you on the road.
Good luck with the dealer. It sounds like they do not have a clue what is wrong but I hope that you luck out.
Black Moon
Enthusiast
I was thinking transmission mount when I first read the post but forgot about it when the and check engine were discussed. I'm curious if that's a separate issue or related?????
Twister,
Any word from the dealer? I would think they had the wires/plugs changed by now. They're Viper tech can't be that busy.
Keep us posted.
Twister,
Any word from the dealer? I would think they had the wires/plugs changed by now. They're Viper tech can't be that busy.
Keep us posted.
dave6666
Enthusiast
I did just read this entire thread. I have come to the following conclusions.
--> Danno is dead and we should all be in mourning.
--> I want to be a rent a cop too so that I can afford to spend what appears to be ridiculous amounts having ripoff artists work on my car.
--> Danno is dead and we should all be in mourning.
--> I want to be a rent a cop too so that I can afford to spend what appears to be ridiculous amounts having ripoff artists work on my car.
RevHeat
Viper Owner
I think the engine is done.
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