2001 GTS w/ 100k miles

BradH

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Hi guys,

Anyone familiar with this car or close to Sacramento and willing to check it out?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mint-Condition_W0QQitemZ320007359673QQihZ011QQcategoryZ6209QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Please PM me if you have any comments or info.

I haven't seen too many 01's with mileage this high so I'm honestly not sure if it's priced reasonably or not. I imagine its a decent deal if the car has been really well maintained, but a bad deal if it needs any major replacements.

-Brad
 

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Thats gotta be a typo. He means 10,000 miles, right? But if it does have 100k on it, congrats to the owner for havings the balls to drive it that much. I almost feel guilty at times for putting miles on mine (but that doesnt stop me! :) ) But with the crappy photos and low feedback of the seller, be careful on this one!
 

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100k mile, $30k, 2001 GTS - i think its cool if you know what your getting. says original owner.
 

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if you are (((very))) serious about the car, i could meet him half way. im about 1HR from Sac. Im sure he would have no issues driving to meet me with the 100k odo. haha
 

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does anyone in this club even have a 100k+ mile car? if so, what did you replace at 50-100k miles?
 
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Keprght, thanks for that offer. At the moment it's not looking positive - I e-mailed the seller a couple of days ago and he still hasn't responded.

High miles + low feedback + bad pictures + unresponsive seller = :nono:
 

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That is a driver for sure. Good luck with the purchase; LOW LOW 30's would be a good price for this car. If you decide to go with this car, just get it checked at a local dealer with a good Viper tech first to make sure everything is okay.
 

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You could track that car, and if you *** it up, the loss is less than the gain would have been if you had to replace it before resale, assuming the insurance doesn't cover non track events, or maybe even driving schools, if the deductible isn't too much.
 

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Too bad Vipers are not like the NSX's. Those guys still get a premium for 91-92' cars with 100K+ miles.
 

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Too bad Vipers are not like the NSX's. Those guys still get a premium for 91-92' cars with 100K+ miles.

Hehehehehe...just sold my '91 NSX with a 160K on the Odo for high $20K. Those cars are absolutely bulletproof. Not one thing went wrong during those miles. The only thing I had to do was routine maintenance and reglue a corner of my windshield weather strip. :cool:
 

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You could track that car, and if you *** it up, the loss is less than the gain would have been if you had to replace it before resale, assuming the insurance doesn't cover non track events, or maybe even driving schools, if the deductible isn't too much.

Dang! Does this mean I can post gibberish and nobody notices? Didn't even raise an eyebrow, it seems... :)
 
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You could track that car, and if you *** it up, the loss is less than the gain would have been if you had to replace it before resale, assuming the insurance doesn't cover non track events, or maybe even driving schools, if the deductible isn't too much.

Dang! Does this mean I can post gibberish and nobody notices? Didn't even raise an eyebrow, it seems... :)

Haha - actually, that's pretty funny.

When you originally posted that I re-read it like 5 or 6 times thinking "Seriously, [******] does that say?! Am I expected to translate this nonsense back into a coherent sentence? Gahhh!!!"

But as a noob on these forums I didn't want reply and insult some established member with 5000 posts. :smirk:

-Brad
 

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You could track that car, and if you *** it up, the loss is less than the gain would have been if you had to replace it before resale, assuming the insurance doesn't cover non track events, or maybe even driving schools, if the deductible isn't too much.

Dang! Does this mean I can post gibberish and nobody notices? Didn't even raise an eyebrow, it seems... :)

Short Answer: Yes

Long answer, I read it and said "WT FREAK(replace as appropriate) is he talking about.. D@mn!!"
 

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I look at it this way. Assuming well taken care of through 100k miles, the value of the parts like the hood, side sills, rims, fascia, headlamps, etc, together add up to at least $30k.
 

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Brad, if you go see that car, take a compression tester with you. (You will need a long stem one, to reach the area where the spark plug threads in) Take a plug out, push the compression tester down in tight, and have someone crank the engine over briefly, with no throttle. You only need a couple of revolutions to get a reading. I'm not sure what a stock Viper should read, but it should be at least 100psi, probably more. I'll see if I can find the proper value. If it reads low, might be worn valves, or worn rings. You can determine if its the rings by squirting just a little oil into the cylinder, and try the test again. If it makes a dramatic improvement, the rings are likely bad, because if the rings are good, adding the oil won't make that much of a difference in the ring sealing.

Before you put the plugs back in, look at the carbon buildup on the end of the plugs, it can tell a bit about how the engine is running. If they are all fouled, oily, etc, the engine might need some work.

Look at the brake calipers, is the "Viper" wording yellowed, or is it still white? If its yellowed, the car may have been tracked. That is not necessarily a bad thing, but it should alert you to check other things. Is the brake fluid really dark, or burnt? Does the brake pedal have a spongy feel? Anyway, you get the idea, if you find the calipers yellowed, its best to check some other things as well, in case the owner didn't maintain the vehicle while tracking it.

Look at the oil pan, has it been leaking? While you are down there, look at the frame, the belly pan, etc, do you see any damage, or recent repair work? Look down past the intake plenum runners, into the "V" of the block, (use a flashlight if necessary), are there pools of coolant there?

If you don't get to visit the car, maybe someone can look at these things for you.

I've tracked my GTS, and my calipers are yellowed, but I also took care of the car. I changed the brake fluid, all other fluids, pads and rotors, put an Accusump on so it wouldn't starve for oil. I always put Mobil 1 20-50 in it, always warmed it up, and in short was just totally anal about making the engine survive the track usage. The results are good, as it doesn't burn any oil even after 37K miles, and last week when I took the plugs out to change them, they were spotlessly clean, even after 20K miles since the last change.

Why am I telling you all this?

I like the sound of my own voice.

But also to let you know what to look for, if you decide to buy a high milage Viper. And also to give you confidence, that the mileage alone is not the most critical aspect of the purchase, but rather its the overall condition you should look at. Best of luck to you!

Now, back to the silliness!

I read this forum quite a bit, and it seems some posters are just barely literate. (Not on this thread!) Makes you wonder how they got so far in life, to reach a point where they can get a Viper. Anyway, its been wearing me out, reading daily, and I thought I'd take a break from trying to make sense, stop fighting it, and get in touch with my incoherrent side! Let it all hang out, you know? Just blurt random stuff out left and right....Mmmm, I feel so much better now. Now no one will expect me to read and write intelligently, and I will be free of the shackles of civilization.

Oooops, I mean, "reed and rite".

Ah, thats better! :D
 
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It's going on 4 days and the seller still hasn't replied to my original e-mail, so I've pretty much dropped any interest in this car.

The seller would have needed to be responsive and have all the right answers for me to seriously proceed on this one. (Yes, I have receipts. Yes, it was maintained by a certified Viper tech. Yes, I'd be happy to let a VCA member inspect the car prior to purchase. Etc etc.)

Add in the inconvenience factor due to the distance (California to Pennsylvania) and it's just a flat out no-go.
 

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It's gotta be a scam. Even though the pictures aren't that great, the car doesn't appear to be as worn as a 100K mile car should be.
 

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Id jump on that car for 30, shoot you could even try and bargain him more...
 

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Haha - actually, that's pretty funny.

When you originally posted that I re-read it like 5 or 6 times thinking "Seriously, [******] does that say?! Am I expected to translate this nonsense back into a coherent sentence? Gahhh!!!!
Short Answer: Yes

Long answer, I read it and said "WT FREAK(replace as appropriate) is he talking about.. D@mn!!"<br />

Hah hah, I love it! Its much more fun to keep people guessing, than it is being clear! :)
 

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If the guy isn't responding, there is probably something wrong. Scam perhaps.

But on top of that...
Exactly what is it about 100,000 miles on a 2001 that would make the car worth so much less than a car with 25,000 miles?

Do you think anything in the engine is shot after 100,000 miles?

Anyway, the car will not be sold on Ebay for $30k. The auction will be closed or the scammer will go away. There isn't any way in the world that a 2001 GTS will be sold at a big discount just because it has high miles.

If it is a real auction, I'm betting $40k
 

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Thats gotta be a typo. He means 10,000 miles, right? But if it does have 100k on it, congrats to the owner for havings the balls to drive it that much. I almost feel guilty at times for putting miles on mine (but that doesnt stop me! :) ) But with the crappy photos and low feedback of the seller, be careful on this one!

No typo here is what carfax has on this:


2001 DODGE VIPER GTS
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04/17/2003 27,387 California
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There isn't any way in the world that a 2001 GTS will be sold at a big discount just because it has high miles.

If it is a real auction, I'm betting $40k

What? How does 100,000 miles not result in a big discount? $40k is WAY too high given the mileage.
 
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