Not surprising...
Very wealthy folks would never consider the Viper (unless they are complete, unabashed Car Geeks).
Great Find....THANX.
Since a Stock 2015 Hellcat w/ DR's Just ran 10.85 @126 ph in the 1/4 Mile...
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Very wealthy folks would never consider the Viper (unless they are complete, unabashed Car Geeks).
I saw that Top Gear post as well. Was curious what all they had heard. Frankly, despite the fact that Ferrari is under the umbrella and theoretically sharing their tech, I doubt much would make it over to the Viper aside from maybe some suspension stuff and interior. I guess hybrid is there, but based on what they experienced with the LaFerrari it sounds like they really don't want to do something like that again.
As far as the gasoline powered stuff, the Ferrari design is a completely different approach to powering a car with its high revs and lower torque. I would really hope that Dodge doesn't sacrifice the amazing grunt and brute force of the current monster V10 just for a horsepower number.
That's another reason I'm not sure I see much Ferrari AWD tech trickling through. The FF front wheels are powered directly off the engine as I understand it, not through a transfer case and front driveshaft like a typical 4WD pickup. There's basically a transmission on either side of the engine in a certain sense, but the front one can't take much torque at all in the FF. I'd doubt they'd be able to use it behind a torque machine like the Viper unless it's just for very limited front wheel assist in certain situations.
As far as the gasoline powered stuff, the Ferrari design is a completely different approach to powering a car with its high revs and lower torque. I would really hope that Dodge doesn't sacrifice the amazing grunt and brute force of the current monster V10 just for a horsepower number.
That's another reason I'm not sure I see much Ferrari AWD tech trickling through. The FF front wheels are powered directly off the engine as I understand it, not through a transfer case and front driveshaft like a typical 4WD pickup. There's basically a transmission on either side of the engine in a certain sense, but the front one can't take much torque at all in the FF. I'd doubt they'd be able to use it behind a torque machine like the Viper unless it's just for very limited front wheel assist in certain situations.
Looks like the Charger is getting the same engine.
http://jalopnik.com/here-is-proof-that-a-707-hp-dodge-charger-srt-hellcat-s-1610846639
http://jalopnik.com/here-is-proof-that-a-707-hp-dodge-charger-srt-hellcat-s-1610846639
05Commemorative
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what is funny about the folks that say put the hellcat in the viper, note the quote below:
"Reminder: Putting a Hellcat engine in a Viper would be silly! While the supercharged 6.2 makes 62 hp and 50 lb-ft of torque more than the Viper V-10, it weighs about 180 pounds more and the blower means it’s too tall to fit under the stock hood. It’s a ridiculous idea, and one that someone will inevitably make real, and we will enjoy its smoky burnouts all the same."
Think about it, besides being the wrong engine for the car anyways, it is a boat anchor weighing 180lbs more and the V10.
"Reminder: Putting a Hellcat engine in a Viper would be silly! While the supercharged 6.2 makes 62 hp and 50 lb-ft of torque more than the Viper V-10, it weighs about 180 pounds more and the blower means it’s too tall to fit under the stock hood. It’s a ridiculous idea, and one that someone will inevitably make real, and we will enjoy its smoky burnouts all the same."
Think about it, besides being the wrong engine for the car anyways, it is a boat anchor weighing 180lbs more and the V10.
And the right engine is?
Bruce H.
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A few laps around a road course would answer that question. I haven't met a McLaren yet on a straightaway, but if one pulled on me it would likely be the first stock production car to do so. But what makes it perfect for SRT's ultimate streetable track day car is that they were able to build a car around it that placed the engine's weight low and rearward enough to optimize handling. It also runs cool as a cucumber under those demanding conditions, lap after lap, and it's surprising how many "track day" cars have to be extensively modified to do that. Corvette and GT-R sure can't.
I find this a little surprising.
Why would this be?
The Corvette Racing Team has been running at LeMans (and roadcourses here in the States) for a very long time.
They have been using V8s from 7.0L down to the current 5.5L and have never been prone to overheating.
05Commemorative
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What is in it. I am not sure if you just pose stuff to stir it up or not. Did you know the V10 was 180lbs lighter, and a much shorter and narrower engine? If building a car to handle, isn't that exactly what you would want? (weight down low). Of course it is.
again, if folks want to get infatuated with a HP figure, I guess all the facts don't really matter. Today, you have a bullet proof motor that is light, low, and great power. with a new PCM (when it comes), all will be good because the packaging is what is critical.
again, if folks want to get infatuated with a HP figure, I guess all the facts don't really matter. Today, you have a bullet proof motor that is light, low, and great power. with a new PCM (when it comes), all will be good because the packaging is what is critical.
danfromohio
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The heavier engine fits right in with the Challenger, that thing is a tank.
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1) A stock Gen 5 can cut 11s on a prepped track with stock tires.
2) A stock Gen 5 can cut 10s with a good pair of DRs and a competent driver on a prepped track.
Did you buy your Gen 5 yet? Because I keep seeing you voice such disappointment and it seems like you have an innate knowledge of the car that would only come from owning one.
The Viper can hang with the Hellcat in a drag race, but can the hellcat hang with the viper on a road course? I think we all know the answer to that question.
No, it's not. Force induction is a great way to add power without increasing static displacement...but if you can produce the power and torque your application requires NA, then you will be better off as it's cheaper, more reliable and arguably more consistent under load.
Forged internals have other benefits aside from being able to handle high boost - like being lighter. A 640 HP engine that is every bit as reliable as some modest 4-****** pumping out 150 HP is an engineering feat that commands respect. Really, Viper maintenance is as basic as changing the oil at set intervals - no special tune-ups needed every 5K miles.
And yet the lowly Gen 4 Viper still manages to put the smack down on the high-tech cars like the Lexus LFA and GTR on nurburgering. You keep repeating the same old nonsense over and over again, like having one company offer one supercar that is MANUAL ONLY is such a bad thing. The viper is not losing to its competition, it more than keeps it in line.
Yes, SRT or Chrysler or Dodge or whoever needs to communicate the things that Gen 5 owners know to potential buyers, so whiny non-owners like mamba here don't prevent these people from experiencing one of the greatest vehicles currently available for purchase.
As a Challenger owner (2012 SRT-8) and a Gen V Viper owner (2014 GTS), I don't think it's practical or desirable to put any "Hemi" in my Viper: it is, as someone else has noted, much heavier than the current V-10.
As a Viper driver, and "retired" autocrosser/club racer, I can't fathom what the all of the angst is about not having the highest HP, within or outside of Chrysler. It's a beautiful, fun car to drive just the way it is. I've driven, by virtue of my career and a network of like-minded friends, many cars in the same market-space, and this is the one the my wife and I liked the best.
Is "spec-sheet racing" really that important to so many people? Kinda disappointing to see so much of it here...
As a Viper driver, and "retired" autocrosser/club racer, I can't fathom what the all of the angst is about not having the highest HP, within or outside of Chrysler. It's a beautiful, fun car to drive just the way it is. I've driven, by virtue of my career and a network of like-minded friends, many cars in the same market-space, and this is the one the my wife and I liked the best.
Is "spec-sheet racing" really that important to so many people? Kinda disappointing to see so much of it here...
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pathoguy
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Yes it is. Your second sentence answers your question
The Viper owners I know aren't, but we may not be representative of the norm. If that's what people want...
Less than ten percent of all Viper owners post on Viper related Forums. Total club membership for both clubs, assuming 20,000 Vipers are still out there (quite a few have been wrecked), is less than 20%. I would guess that the Hellcat appeals to a large percentage of the total Viper Nation based on its price point, performance potential, and its ability to carry four passengers. It is a very different car than a Viper.
The Viper performance is exceptional for its intended purpose. I doubt that many would feel comfortable utilizing the full potential of the car. I say this because in my experience, regardlerss of nannytech, most sports/performace car drivers do not have the experience and training to drive a 3350 pound, 640 HP car on a pedal to the metal basis. It scares, or would scare, the hell out of them. Nor should they have to. The Viper, as mentioned many times, can be enjoyed passively or actively.
The Gen V design is magnificent. It is clearly better looking than any other car in its class.
The Viper performance is exceptional for its intended purpose. I doubt that many would feel comfortable utilizing the full potential of the car. I say this because in my experience, regardlerss of nannytech, most sports/performace car drivers do not have the experience and training to drive a 3350 pound, 640 HP car on a pedal to the metal basis. It scares, or would scare, the hell out of them. Nor should they have to. The Viper, as mentioned many times, can be enjoyed passively or actively.
The Gen V design is magnificent. It is clearly better looking than any other car in its class.
pathoguy
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interesting,,,,question. I wish the car had 710 hp when 400 hp would be more than enough for my driving. It's more than what we want.....many potential buyes feed off what the general public have come to expect from a viper. The ooooos and the ahahahahas for a car that had savage good looks, outrageous performance, the most hp or almost.
Today... a 4500 lbs challenger matches its 1/4 mile, a mustang and a corvette can boast more hp. It's all make-believe really but if that is what it takes to sell this product...............
Don't have to convince me. Bought one without a test drive and loving every mile of it
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TrackAire
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And this is why engineers don't make the best marketing people and vice a versa.
Marketing and perception is what sells cars, not what they or the drivers are truly capable of.
Words of wisdom.
Nine Ball
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Nobody needs more hp. But, "need" and "want" are two different things. Nobody "needs" a Viper, either. We buy it because we want it, and most would not complain about having more. My 1300 rwhp Viper is more fun to drive than my Gen 5 is.
Well said, Sir.
