My Stock 06 Vert Does It Again With A New Best E.T. of 11.57 @ 122.41

[WANTED]

Jamie makes a good point here. I think quite a while back on a different thread I said that the average, and I emphasize average, stock Z06 and driver will run and 11.5-11.8 and the average stock Gen 3 driver will run and 11.9-12.2. I still stand by that. The Z06 DOES have some inherent advantages over a Viper in a quarter mile race, namely, less weight, better gearing, and better stock traction. It also has a higher redline and less torque. All of these things help in A STOCK TO STOCK matchup. Now, if we take a great driver in a stock Z06 it WILL turn a low 11 or even a very high 10. This is fact. What has been missing up to now is what will a Gen III do with great driving and the car run to its full potential. I believe that number is probably a high 11.3 to low 11.4 with great weather. If I had made last nights run with -1000 DA weather all things being equal I would have turned an 11.4 and maybe, and I emphasize maybe, a high 11.3. But when that is all said and done it is still 3-4 tenths behind a similarly run z06. In other words if Jamie and I line up in negative 1000 DA weather and he is driving his Z and I am in my Viper, he is going to beat me EVERY TIME by 3 tenths.

But here is what every one keeps missing. These matchups of the driver elite are not what goes on at the track on a typical night. And they virtually never happen with stock to stock cars anymore. As I have also stated I have not seen one remotely appearing stock Z06 at my track turn better than 11.31. I saw one with drag radials and nitrous go 10.98 at 133. Most of what I have seen is 11.40-11.70 on modified cars with traction improvments. Now I will make a prediction. I believe my Gen III with the same DRs these guys are running will put damn near every one of these guys on the trailer. Why? Because NOW we have left the stock category and are starting to cater to the the VIPERs strengths which is massive torque. This is what moves the car and it is NEVER fully utilized in the stock configuration because of traction problems. It gets better. The farther we get away from a stock to stock matchup the better the Viper will fare because the horsepower and torque gained BY THE SAME mods made to a Viper start to leave the Z in the dust. That is why I will bet you money that a Viper Gen III with DRs, headers and exhaust, computer tune, K&N, gears, throttle body, etc. will beat handily a similarly modifed Z. Now when the two "Average" drivers go at it again, the tide has turned and it will be tilting Viper.

So the moral here is if you want to beat Zs or anybody else FOCUS on making mods to the car that favoer the VIPER which are allowing full traction of the power plant, gear it more appropriately, and shed weight (two piece rotors, ACR wheels, battery, aluminum flywheel, etc.) and you will be very surprised how it peforms. Unfortunatley, what everybody does is add some more horsepower and all that does is make it all worse and give the edge to the Z. Without improved traction, improved horsepower is going to pay very weak rewards.

One of the best post I've read about drag racing the viper and comparing it to the Z06.
Speed you really hit it, wtg. Jamie's responce to you was right on it as well.

 

[Speedfreak]

We met at your first outing at the track, I had the red GT-R, I also took my ACR out there and ran 11.6 @ 125 (stock) with a bog off the line, the car was a real PIA to get out of the hole...

I have the belanger system on it's way to me, as soon as it's installed I'll meet you up there....

Yeah, I have been looking for you every time I have been out. You had the pleasure of spanking me good with an 11.50 something in your GTR to my 12.30 in my very first pass in my Viper. By the way I used your dyno guy you recommended a couple of months ago. Real nice guys. I came a day or two after your 08 smoked 540+ RWHP on the dyno. Would love to hook up at the track, just let me know. Gets a little old being the only viper in the place.

 

[Speedfreak]

And the TRACTION issue is the EXACT REASON that Gen 4s trap at or near 130 and no one has EVER put one in the tens yet.We have come to the point with these cars that throwing more horsepower at the problem on stock tires really shows diminshing returns.Cars like the 599 Ferarri out accelerate Gen 4s not because they have better power to weight ratios (they dont ) but because they have technological advantages that allow them to hook up.

Hey man, where you been hiding? I can always count on you for a spirited debate. LOL. I agree with you and I also think (but don't have any experience to say) that the drive by wire does not help the situation. FINESSE is very important the more power there is and the drive by wire seems to eliminate the driver ability to control that very well.

 

[1BADGTS]

McMullan Argus is moving to Tampa Florida inturn their new home track will be Branadton.Speedfreak if you want i will try to get you in for a few sessions on a private rental to see just how low et wise you can get that Gen 3 .

 

[HI-NOS-Viper]

Guys remember one thing stock is stock ,no gears, DR, Ballangers ,Mopar pcms ect.If someone is to try to get a GEN 4 STOCK into the tens the car can not have ANY of the above.

Are you sure . I thought stock meant you can have mods on the car

 

[FikseGTS]

sounds good, if I get my GT-R updated with the latest software from Nissan for the updated non-launch control start (waiting for my VIN to be flagged), I'll bring that up, at least I'll be able to leave the line in the GT-R at 3k RPM instead of 750 RPM and get off the line decently....

whichever is ready first....

are you going to the Viper Club party this Saturday?

Yeah, I have been looking for you every time I have been out. You had the pleasure of spanking me good with an 11.50 something in your GTR to my 12.30 in my very first pass in my Viper. By the way I used your dyno guy you recommended a couple of months ago. Real nice guys. I came a day or two after your 08 smoked 540+ RWHP on the dyno. Would love to hook up at the track, just let me know. Gets a little old being the only viper in the place.

 

[Speedfreak]

One of the best post I've read about drag racing the viper and comparing it to the Z06.
Speed you really hit it, wtg. Jamie's responce to you was right on it as well.

Thanks Wanted! 11.51 at 120 out of an 02. Wow. Give some details. Tires used? Techniqued used? That is a great time.

 

[1BADGTS]

Hey man, where you been hiding? I can always count on you for a spirited debate. LOL. I agree with you and I also think (but don't have any experience to say) that the drive by wire does not help the situation. FINESSE is very important the more power there is and the drive by wire seems to eliminate the driver ability to control that very well.

While i cant speak for Jamie ,Evan had absolutely no trouble feeling out the drive by wire in my Gen 4 the trouble he had was in the leave and the basic senerio of to get the best time out of the car he had to beat on it (something i did not want to do at that part time )LOL

 

[1BADGTS]

Are you sure . I thought stock meant you can have mods on the car

LOL one thing i have learned in 15 plus years of drag racing Vipers is EVERYONES DEFINATION OF STOCK IS DIFFERENT..Years ago for example a guy was running 11.6s in a Gen 2 he claimed was stock even though the car had no cats or rear mufflers

 

[Twister]

I think Ill have to disagree with jamie on one point. He said that if a gen3 can run a 11.5 at 122 then theirs no reason to beleave a c^Z06 cant run a deep 11 at 128 mph....

THERE IS NO WHERE NEAR A 6 MPH DIFFERANCE BETWEEN A STOCK GEN3 AND A STOCK C6Z06!!!!!!

I have read all the reviews and visited all the boards and even had a lil gen3 vrs C6Z06 action my self more than a few times..

The true nembers are as follows...

bad driver in a Z06=12.2 at 120 bad air
bad driver in gen3 =12.6 at 116 bad air

Bad driver in a Z06=12.0 at 122 Average air
Bad driver in gen3 =12.4 at 118 Average air

average driver in a Z06=11.8 at 124 average air
average driver in gen3 =12.2 at 120 average air

good driver in a Z06=11.6 at 125 average air
good driver in gen3 =12.0 at 121 average air

good driver in z06 =11.4 at 126 above average air
good driver in gen3=11.8 at 122 above average air

GREAT driver in Z06=11.0 at 128 GREAT air
GREAT driver ingen3=11.4 at 124 GREAT air

Basically anyway you can slice it I think their is a 4 mph and 4 tenth differance between a gen3 Viper and a C6Z06...

Speed Freak ran a 11.5 at 122.5..I beleave that on the same night a equally gifted Z06 driver could have pulled out a 11.1 at 126.5 ( wich would be very high on the C6Z06 list in tenths as well as mph since a 11.1 at 127 mph is currently the second place holder..

I have never and will never beleave that a well driven Viper will trapp 122 mph and a well driven Z06 will trapp 128 mph...No way and no how..

They both dyno around the 445 rwhp mark
The srt10 verts are at 3390 pounds while the C6Z06 is around 3190 pounds

Then 3.42 gears verses the Vipers 3.07's...

The Z06's 7200 rpm redline vs the Vipers 6000 rpm redline

The 200 pounds less weight/better gearing and more revsadd up to 4 mph ( wich in it's self is a healthy advantage)

But 6 mph more???? No way and no how

 

[Speedfreak]

sounds good, if I get my GT-R updated with the latest software from Nissan for the updated non-launch control start (waiting for my VIN to be flagged), I'll bring that up, at least I'll be able to leave the line in the GT-R at 3k RPM instead of 750 RPM and get off the line decently....

whichever is ready first....

are you going to the Viper Club party this Saturday?

No, I would sure like too. I have to go to Orlando this weekend. But I am hoping to attend some of the other events especially viper days and one of the keys drives.

 

[1BADGTS]

I think Ill have to disagree with jamie on one point. He said that if a gen3 can run a 11.5 at 122 then theirs no reason to beleave a c^Z06 cant run a deep 11 at 128 mph....

THERE IS NO WHERE NEAR A 6 MPH DIFFERANCE BETWEEN A STOCK GEN3 AND A STOCK C6Z06!!!!!!

I have read all the reviews and visited all the boards and even had a lil gen3 vrs C6Z06 action my self more than a few times..

The true nembers are as follows...

bad driver in a Z06=12.2 at 120 bad air
bad driver in gen3 =12.6 at 116 bad air

Bad driver in a Z06=12.0 at 122 Average air
Bad driver in gen3 =12.4 at 118 Average air

average driver in a Z06=11.8 at 124 average air
average driver in gen3 =12.2 at 120 average air

good driver in a Z06=11.6 at 125 average air
good driver in gen3 =12.0 at 121 average air

good driver in z06 =11.4 at 126 above average air
good driver in gen3=11.8 at 122 above average air

GREAT driver in Z06=11.0 at 128 GREAT air
GREAT driver ingen3=11.4 at 124 GREAT air

Basically anyway you can slice it I think their is a 4 mph and 4 tenth differance between a gen3 Viper and a C6Z06...

Speed Freak ran a 11.5 at 122.5..I beleave that on the same night a equally gifted Z06 driver could have pulled out a 11.1 at 126.5 ( wich would be very high on the C6Z06 list in tenths as well as mph since a 11.1 at 127 mph is currently the second place holder..

I have never and will never beleave that a well driven Viper will trapp 122 mph and a well driven Z06 will trapp 128 mph...No way and no how..

They both dyno around the 445 rwhp mark
The srt10 verts are at 3390 pounds while the C6Z06 is around 3190 pounds

Then 3.42 gears verses the Vipers 3.07's...

The Z06's 7200 rpm redline vs the Vipers 6000 rpm redline

The 200 pounds less weight/better gearing and more revsadd up to 4 mph ( wich in it's self is a healthy advantage)

But 6 mph more???? No way and no how

4 tenths and 4 mph is a ton in a drag race probably 4 full car lengths difference.

 

[Speedfreak]

McMullan Argus is moving to Tampa Florida inturn their new home track will be Branadton.Speedfreak if you want i will try to get you in for a few sessions on a private rental to see just how low et wise you can get that Gen 3 .

That would be Great!!! Let me know!

 

[1BADGTS]

That would be Great!!! Let me know!

They move in June so i try to set it up.Hopefully by then i will have another Gen 4 to bring down.

 

[Speedfreak]

I think Ill have to disagree with jamie on one point. He said that if a gen3 can run a 11.5 at 122 then theirs no reason to beleave a c^Z06 cant run a deep 11 at 128 mph....

THERE IS NO WHERE NEAR A 6 MPH DIFFERANCE BETWEEN A STOCK GEN3 AND A STOCK C6Z06!!!!!!

I have read all the reviews and visited all the boards and even had a lil gen3 vrs C6Z06 action my self more than a few times..

The true nembers are as follows...

bad driver in a Z06=12.2 at 120 bad air
bad driver in gen3 =12.6 at 116 bad air

Bad driver in a Z06=12.0 at 122 Average air
Bad driver in gen3 =12.4 at 118 Average air

average driver in a Z06=11.8 at 124 average air
average driver in gen3 =12.2 at 120 average air

good driver in a Z06=11.6 at 125 average air
good driver in gen3 =12.0 at 121 average air

good driver in z06 =11.4 at 126 above average air
good driver in gen3=11.8 at 122 above average air

GREAT driver in Z06=11.0 at 128 GREAT air
GREAT driver ingen3=11.4 at 124 GREAT air

Basically anyway you can slice it I think their is a 4 mph and 4 tenth differance between a gen3 Viper and a C6Z06...

Speed Freak ran a 11.5 at 122.5..I beleave that on the same night a equally gifted Z06 driver could have pulled out a 11.1 at 126.5 ( wich would be very high on the C6Z06 list in tenths as well as mph since a 11.1 at 127 mph is currently the second place holder..

I have never and will never beleave that a well driven Viper will trapp 122 mph and a well driven Z06 will trapp 128 mph...No way and no how..

They both dyno around the 445 rwhp mark
The srt10 verts are at 3390 pounds while the C6Z06 is around 3190 pounds

Then 3.42 gears verses the Vipers 3.07's...

The Z06's 7200 rpm redline vs the Vipers 6000 rpm redline

The 200 pounds less weight/better gearing and more revsadd up to 4 mph ( wich in it's self is a healthy advantage)

But 6 mph more???? No way and no how

Twister, glad you brought this up. I forgot to mention this in my first long response. Although I agree with much of what Jamie, 1BadGTs, 9Ball and others have indicated about the Z, this is the one area I don't for many of the reasons you have stated. I have stated several times that if a Z is trapping 6 mph more than Viper on the same night at the same track IT AIN'T STOCK. I believe about 3 MPH and maybe 4 MPH is the difference between stock cars and average drivers and that is what my first hand knowledge at my track has supported. Now if Furman gets ahold of the car in -1300 DA weather on a good tract you are going to see an 10.9-11.1 at 128. And if I am there in my Viper you are damn well going to see at trap in the 124+ range if I run a similarly excellent e.t. for my car. These guys showing up in Zs in average or worse weather traping 126+ are just not stock cars. Period. I am lucky to see a 119-120 in those conditions. It just aint so. But goes ask them AND THERE ALLLLLLLLLL STOCK! Just like that ZR1 a few days ago.

 

[vipeuup]

thats what twister basically said. 4mph difference stock for stock.

 

[black mamba1]

You are exactly right and what I don't understand is why Viper owners continue to put themselves at this disadvantage when virtually every z06 I see has DRs ( AND THEY DON'T NEED THEM HALF AS BAD AS WE DO). I just don't get it. Maybe when I put a set on mine and turn some unexpected times with a stock motor it will help drive the point home. Based on the times I am seeing at my track WITH MODDED Zs I should beat most of them and I haven't touched my motor and THEY have!!!!

Short shifting is where you shift into the next gear somewhere before redline as would be the normal case. This is usually done where the engine is so torquey that traction at a full redline shift simply blows rubber everywhere. So instead of shifting at 5800-6000 in the 1-2, try at 5500, then 5250, then 5000 with each run and see how the car reacts. Leave all other shifts at redline if traction is not a problem. This will trade optimum power for better traction and hopefully a quicker e.t.

Powershifting is where you do not let your foot off the gas to shift. You just clutch it and that its. Pedal to the medal then when it gets near redline depress the clutch quickly and grab the next gear. You will see the tack jump (flash) about 300 RPM when you do this and then reduce to the normal RPM of the next gear. That is why it must be fast or you are essentially running the engine wide open in neutral. But it is the fastest form of stick shifting and plants tremendous power to ground on the release into the next gear.

1000 negative DA - refers to density altitude of the air at the track. This is a little hard to understand. I am a private pilot also and we get this drilled into our heads for that but the average guys never heard of it. What they consider sea level air density, which would be a 0 density altitude is 59 degrees, 29.92 barometric pressure and 40% humidity. Anything higher or lower than these values is considered positive DA (BAD FOR PERFORMANCE) or negative DA (great for performance). Example - if it is 85 degress, humid and 29.90 barometric the DA would be the equivalent of 2000 feet elevation. In other words that is what the engine sees in terms of usable oxygen in the air because it is thinned from the heat and humidity (which is water) which displaces some oxygen also. That is why your car runs like crap up in the mountains with much less power. By contrast, Negative DA means the air IS DENSER than what would be at the normal sea level temp measured above. A -1000 DA means it is the equivalent of the air density if you WENT 1000 feet below sea level. Oh yeah, the car acts like it has a second motor because the oxygen content and density of the air is very high and very dry and barometric pressure (the downward force on the air) is also above normal. Example 45 degrees, 20% humidity, 30.20 barometric. This makes the car SEE air much more oxygen rich than normal (even though we are still at sea level). The computer compensates by adding more fuel and you feel lots of extra HP. So to make those record passes you want low temperatures, high barometric pressure and low humidity.
Hope this helps.

This helps a tremendous amount! Thanks! I definitely need to invest in some drag radials. Which ones are the best?

Also short shifting may be necessary for my 1-2 shift. Shifting at redline for me just causes massive fishtailing. Power shifting sounds dangerous, but it must not be much different than what I used to do when I motorcrossed. My buddy Tony Viper is coming down to NC to join in the March 14-15 racing at Rockingham. We can practice together, it seems like I will deff need it.

Thanks for the psychrometic lesson! Took me back to my engineering classes and it all makes perfect sense. So now, I deff know what to look for, and what nights to go after those really good times. There have been many guys in here that have run some impressive times, but I dont know if anyone else has been as instructive and helpful in teaching other VCA members in how you obtain such fast times in Vipers!

 

[black mamba1]

Do people still use that chemical stuff on their tires during burnout to make their tires stickier? Is that allowed at tracks?

 

[Twister]

Im pretty sure VHT is still alowed

 

[Twister]

Twister, glad you brought this up. I forgot to mention this in my first long response. Although I agree with much of what Jamie, 1BadGTs, 9Ball and others have indicated about the Z, this is the one area I don't for many of the reasons you have stated. I have stated several times that if a Z is trapping 6 mph more than Viper on the same night at the same track IT AIN'T STOCK. I believe about 3 MPH and maybe 4 MPH is the difference between stock cars and average drivers and that is what my first hand knowledge at my track has supported. Now if Furman gets ahold of the car in -1300 DA weather on a good tract you are going to see an 10.9-11.1 at 128. And if I am there in my Viper you are damn well going to see at trap in the 124+ range if I run a similarly excellent e.t. for my car. These guys showing up in Zs in average or worse weather traping 126+ are just not stock cars. Period. I am lucky to see a 119-120 in those conditions. It just aint so. But goes ask them AND THERE ALLLLLLLLLL STOCK! Just like that ZR1 a few days ago.

And I agree with you as well..I read many head to head reviews were the Viper trapped 121.0 mph and the C6Z06 trapped 122.9 mph

Or 120 for the Viper and 123 for the Z06

Or a few 122 evens and one road and track review were they ran 118 in the Z06 and 119 in the viper..

The worse I ever saw period in a head to head was car and drivers 120.9 for the viper and 125.4 for the Z06..

These were all head to head comparisons...On average the Z06 was 2-3 mph faster..

Were people come up with the belief that the SRT10 trapps up to 122 and the Z06 trapps up to 128 mph is beyond me

Id say more like 123 and 127

I wrote a great review on this in another forum with head to head links and ect.Ill post it up...Seems like just yesterday I said a 11.4 at 123 was possible and you already got an 11.5 at 122.5..

WOW

 

[vipeuup]

We need to put speedfreak in a gen4,08 Viper.

 

[Twister]

Here you go speed freak....I created this about a year ago when I had a SRT10 vert..Some people were telling me how awesome and fast the C6Z06 was and how slow my srt10 was ( ls1 guys ) They also said how much better handling the C6Z06 was..So I made this list..funny thing was that it only took filters/roller rockers/no cats and no mufflers to put a c6Z06away straight line for me personally.

here ya go...

HMMMMM...

http://www.motortrend.com/features/s...12_0306_spdint
2003 Motor trend speeding shoot out.
.03 SRT10 vert=11.7 at 123
VS 2003 Z06=12.4 at 116

dayum what a smoking


Audi R8 vs. Corvette Z06, Dodge Viper SRT10 Coupe, Porsche Turbo - Supercar Comparison Test with VIDEO - Popular Mechanics
2007 popular mechanics
SRT10 coupe=12.1 at 121.2 mph=lap=1.15.59
VS C6Z06=12.0 at 120.9 mph =lap=1.15.74

looks like the 1/4 mile was very close with the SRT10 trapping a lil higher and being a little faster on the road course


http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...s_pricing.html
2007 MotorTrend
SRT10 coupe=12.1 at 120.9 mph=Lap=24.4
VS C6Z06=11.7 at 125.2 mph=Lap=24.8

Looks like the C6Z06 dominated at the strip but again the Viper was a lil quicker around they're course


http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...2&Profile=1008
Autoweek
SRT10 coupe=12.3 at 117 mph=Lap=46.8 mph
VS C6Z06=12.0 at 121 mph=Lap=45.6 mph

Again the C6Z06 beats the SRT10 handily at the strip but is a lil slower through the slalom


http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...7/pageId=67637
Edmonds american exotics
SRT10 coupe=12.6 at 117 mph =Lap=133.30
VS C6Z06=12.0 at 123 mph=Lap=133.04

Man the C6Z06 just dusted the viper at the strip this time..But look at those track times. Pretty impressive that a car that was significantly slower at the strip was within 2 tenths of the Z06..Wonder wich one handles better?


http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...owersTrack.pdf

This time The C6Z06 barely edges out the SRT10 vert in the quarter mile with a 12.2 at 118 VS the Vipers 12.3 at 116 mph...But on the road course they both pull 1.19.5 second lap times..The review then says that they preferred lapping the SRT10 vert over the C6Z06 due to it track mannerisms

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...per/stats.html
Automobile
SRT10 coupe =12.4 at *** mph=lap=1.33.95
VS C6Z06=12.0 at *** mph=Lap=132.75

Finally the c6Z06 beats the SRT10 by 1.2 seconds around a road course...So out of the "HEAD2HEAD"reviews I could find..Viper3...Vette2...and 1 tie...So please just remember that the next time you wanna say how the "old" SRT10's cant handle...Well theve proven the be faster than your C6Z06 more than one half the time during head to head comparisons around the road course/slalom...

 

[black mamba1]

We need to put speedfreak in a gen4,08 Viper.

That would just be sick. He would cause a massive decline in Zr1 sales! You are easily talking 10.8's or so. BUT...the Gen 4 has less hp and less tq than the Gen 3 below 2500 rpm. I think Speed is making up most of his time 0-70 mph. I wonder if the Gen 4 is as difficult to launch as the Gen 3?

 

[Speedfreak]

This helps a tremendous amount! Thanks! I definitely need to invest in some drag radials. Which ones are the best?

Also short shifting may be necessary for my 1-2 shift. Shifting at redline for me just causes massive fishtailing. Power shifting sounds dangerous, but it must not be much different than what I used to do when I motorcrossed. My buddy Tony Viper is coming down to NC to join in the March 14-15 racing at Rockingham. We can practice together, it seems like I will deff need it.

Thanks for the psychrometic lesson! Took me back to my engineering classes and it all makes perfect sense. So now, I deff know what to look for, and what nights to go after those really good times. There have been many guys in here that have run some impressive times, but I dont know if anyone else has been as instructive and helpful in teaching other VCA members in how you obtain such fast times in Vipers!

I think for the stock rims it a hoosier R6 but don't quote me on that. I have the same questions as I want to get some too. Maybe some others could chime in here that use them.

Don't worry about short shifting with DRs on the car only if you run street rubber. Just hang on for dear life and try an keep the grin off your face and where a neck brace. LOL. They will hook and you will never have felt the car accelerate like that before.

Your anlalogy on the motorcycle is perfect. If you have ridden bikes then it is the same thing. Remember cranking the thottle wide open and just quickly snapping the clutch as you changed gears but kept her wide open. Same deal in the car except a little more coordination required.

On the density altitude, go to dragtimes.com. They have a simulator in there that keeps track of the weather at every track in the country. You simply select your track and pick the time from the listings and you will get the DA for that time and day. But this only works going backwards, meaning you already ran and want to see what the weather was while you where there. You can also manually enter the data to get an idea of the DA at the time of day and track you select. I often go to weather.com and get a forecast of the temp, humidity and barometric and then enter it into there calculator. If I like the number it spits out I start planning to go racing!!! It will also correct your time for 0 DA if the DA is above zero. This great at comparing times under different conditions. The calculator will correct the atmospherics to 0 DA so you can compare the times apples to apples. Pretty cool, give it a look!

 

[SnakeBitten]

Magazine head to heads are nice but arent the end all. Im pretty sure its safe to say that Speedfreak and Jamie are much much better than the mag drivers in the quartermile in there respective cars. That being said if Speedfreak ran against someone of Jamies calibur the mph difference and et would favor the Z06 easily vs the gen III Vipers. Thats not taking anything away from your incredible time Speedfreak just stating the obvious to me since Im seeing mag times being posted. Comparable drivers in both will show multiple mph and et advantage to the Z06.

120mph Z06 trapspeeds is Mags are just as capable of underdriving the Z06 as they are the Viper.

 

[1BADGTS]

Do people still use that chemical stuff on their tires during burnout to make their tires stickier? Is that allowed at tracks?

Its the tracks themselves that apply the VHT during daily prep.

 

[1BADGTS]

You guys are throwing around 4 tenths and 4 mph (some have agreed is the difference between the two cars -same day track driver)like its nothing.Once again thats a VERY LARGE DIFFERENCE.

 

[1BADGTS]

That would just be sick. He would cause a massive decline in Zr1 sales! You are easily talking 10.8's or so. BUT...the Gen 4 has less hp and less tq than the Gen 3 below 2500 rpm. I think Speed is making up most of his time 0-70 mph. I wonder if the Gen 4 is as difficult to launch as the Gen 3?

Believe me no driver in the country is going to get into a Gen 4 and run an easy 10.8.Two of the absolute BEST DRIVERs out there are Jamie Furman and Evan Smith(their records support this fact ) .Both have run 08 Vipers (Furman ran an 11.0 Smith ran an 11.3)The cars have been out for years and as of yet no one has broken 10s because of the traction issues with the Pilots.With all due respect to Speedfreak (the man ran great times in the Gen 3) i dont think hes going to get in a Gen 4 and be a half second faster than Evan .(if he does then he should be getting paid to run cars not Smith )

 

[Speedfreak]

Believe me no driver in the country is going to get into a Gen 4 and run an easy 10.8.Two of the absolute BEST DRIVERs out there are Jamie Furman and Evan Smith(their records support this fact ) .Both have run 08 Vipers (Furman ran an 11.0 Smith ran an 11.3)The cars have been out for years and as of yet no one has broken 10s because of the traction issues with the Pilots.With all due respect to Speedfreak (the man ran great times in the Gen 3) i dont think hes going to get in a Gen 4 and be a half second faster than Evan .(if he does then he should be getting paid to run cars not Smith )

I agree. While I appreciate the confidence I am quite sure I would need practice in a GEN IV like any other car to turn some good times. I have mastered the Viper idiosyncracies but 100HP as well as the other differences in the car would take some time. Furman and Smith have been doing this a long time and are the kings of the Gen IV, but I would like a shot sometime.

As to a 10.8 that is another story. PUT SOME TRACTION on a Gen IV and a 10.8 won't surprise me a bit. But with stock tires it would take one hell of a run and some awesome weather and all the stars to align.

 

[Speedfreak]

Here you go speed freak....I created this about a year ago when I had a SRT10 vert..Some people were telling me how awesome and fast the C6Z06 was and how slow my srt10 was ( ls1 guys ) They also said how much better handling the C6Z06 was..So I made this list..funny thing was that it only took filters/roller rockers/no cats and no mufflers to put a c6Z06away straight line for me personally.

here ya go...

HMMMMM...

http://www.motortrend.com/features/s...12_0306_spdint
2003 Motor trend speeding shoot out.
.03 SRT10 vert=11.7 at 123
VS 2003 Z06=12.4 at 116

dayum what a smoking


Audi R8 vs. Corvette Z06, Dodge Viper SRT10 Coupe, Porsche Turbo - Supercar Comparison Test with VIDEO - Popular Mechanics
2007 popular mechanics
SRT10 coupe=12.1 at 121.2 mph=lap=1.15.59
VS C6Z06=12.0 at 120.9 mph =lap=1.15.74

looks like the 1/4 mile was very close with the SRT10 trapping a lil higher and being a little faster on the road course


http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...s_pricing.html
2007 MotorTrend
SRT10 coupe=12.1 at 120.9 mph=Lap=24.4
VS C6Z06=11.7 at 125.2 mph=Lap=24.8

Looks like the C6Z06 dominated at the strip but again the Viper was a lil quicker around they're course


http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...2&Profile=1008
Autoweek
SRT10 coupe=12.3 at 117 mph=Lap=46.8 mph
VS C6Z06=12.0 at 121 mph=Lap=45.6 mph

Again the C6Z06 beats the SRT10 handily at the strip but is a lil slower through the slalom


http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...7/pageId=67637
Edmonds american exotics
SRT10 coupe=12.6 at 117 mph =Lap=133.30
VS C6Z06=12.0 at 123 mph=Lap=133.04

Man the C6Z06 just dusted the viper at the strip this time..But look at those track times. Pretty impressive that a car that was significantly slower at the strip was within 2 tenths of the Z06..Wonder wich one handles better?


http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...owersTrack.pdf

This time The C6Z06 barely edges out the SRT10 vert in the quarter mile with a 12.2 at 118 VS the Vipers 12.3 at 116 mph...But on the road course they both pull 1.19.5 second lap times..The review then says that they preferred lapping the SRT10 vert over the C6Z06 due to it track mannerisms

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...per/stats.html
Automobile
SRT10 coupe =12.4 at *** mph=lap=1.33.95
VS C6Z06=12.0 at *** mph=Lap=132.75

Finally the c6Z06 beats the SRT10 by 1.2 seconds around a road course...So out of the "HEAD2HEAD"reviews I could find..Viper3...Vette2...and 1 tie...So please just remember that the next time you wanna say how the "old" SRT10's cant handle...Well theve proven the be faster than your C6Z06 more than one half the time during head to head comparisons around the road course/slalom...

Very interesting and informative!!!