Okay Viper owners, enough is enough

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Alright everyone, I'm tired of all the doom and gloom. Everyone is singing the funeral dirge for the Viper before it's even gone. Aren't we supposed to be its strongest supporters? Didn't you buy your car or admire them because you love them? Why are you so ready to roll over and give up? Why does everyone always think the worst? Let's set a few things straight. The articles coming out saying the Viper is officially dead? They're wrong and blown out of proportion. What has happened is the UAW ratified a contract with a tiny section that talked about production at the Conner Avenue plant. What did it actually say? Read below:

"Current product build out in 2017. No future product has yet been identified beyond the product lifecycle"

What does this actually mean? It means we are guaranteed two more years of one of the coolest cars around. Real, brutal, aggressive V10 power with tires as wide as a bus. What else does it mean? To me it sounds like the car is due for a refresh/overhaul post-2017. Look at the wording? Does it say the Viper is unequivocally dead, never to be replaced? No. It says "current production will end in 2017". The next part is the important bit. "No future product has yet been identified beyond the product lifecycle. This can mean a couple things. One is that they are still working on some new model to be built at the plant. Maybe there will have to be a one or two year gap if they are doing a significant redesign. Maybe they're still working on something and have to make sure it will pass emissions/performance requirements. Maybe they are moving the production to a different plant. Regardless, these two tiny lines in a contract don't say the Viper is gone for good. All they state is that the current iteration is slated for something to happen in 2017. They could very well extend production as well, it's not like this contract forbids them.

Regardless, you people should be ashamed of yourselves. If something you love is on the verge of leaving, you should be doing everything you can to fight for it instead of just giving up. If your dog runs away, do you just shrug your shoulders and let it go or do you go out looking for it? Let's organize a huge event at the plant or FCA headquarters as a national club. Throw affiliations aside. I don't care if you're VOA, VCA, V_A, whatever. If you love Vipers and want them to stay around, do something about it. Rally the troops and show Dodge the support they deserve for such an amazing car. At one point or another the car must have touched your life and left and impression or you wouldn't be here talking about it. I've heard stories of the amazing events the club used to do. Sadly I wasn't around back when the club was in its heyday, but there's no reason we can't bring that back. Take pride in what you have. If Viper owners and enthusiasts and saying the Viper is done, there is something wrong. We should be the last ones to throw in the towel. Kick and scream and fight to the bitter end. Stop saying it's over until the day the project is officially dead.

Sorry for the rant, but I am just incredibly tired of the negativity I see about this subject. This is the last place I should be hearing people say the Viper is done for. Plan events, get your cars out there in the public. Let the masses know that the Viper still lives. We hold the flame for the Viper's future, not FCA. If we get people talking about the car, we get more people buying them and production has to continue to keep up with demand. Have you ever heard a disappointed Viper owner? I drive mine everywhere. I let people sit in it all the time. I'll give rides whenever anyone asks. All it takes in one spark to get someone interested. They have a reputation for being wild, but they're not really as bad as people paint them to be. They demand respect and you can't toy with them, but they're not hard to drive normally. Tell people how much fun they are. Don't scare them away with horror stories. Do you really want your dream car to stop being made?
 

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Thank You

The Viper is by far my drug of choice and even in the off years my enthusiasm continued. I don't see that changing
 

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Mopar Map, I'm glad you said it. I too was not around during the "hey day". I feel the same. It seems that this club is dedicated to moving forward and that the other club is content to focus on eating sour grapes. Some of the "trolls" that creep over here now and again, like to keep trouble going. I have a few interest in my life, but non have given me the feeling that Viper has. The very first time I saw one it made me feel excited. Something I could only dream of. Now ownership has opened a whole new world. I Love it. It sometimes seem to me that
there is a gap between the old gen viper and the new. I have appreciation for both. I think there should be more events that tie clubs from all over together. Right now there are only limited engagements. It's kinda like having a family reunion every couple of years. If you have
them rarely people loose touch. If it takes kicking and screaming to get them to listen then so be it. I'm right there kicking and screaming with ya. :drive:
 

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I like my Viper. Am I going to "rally" with VOA members and picket FCA headquarters? No. MoparMap, people are just trying to figure out what the hell is going on. Nobody on here is speaking "doom and gloom"....just trying to accumulate facts. It is what it is and quite frankly, your over exuberant fanboi letter was a difficult read.
 

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I like my Viper. Am I going to "rally" with VOA members and picket FCA headquarters? No. MoparMap, people are just trying to figure out what the hell is going on. Nobody on here is speaking "doom and gloom"....just trying to accumulate facts. It is what it is and quite frankly, your over exuberant fanboi letter was a difficult read.
Oh Free, he is just tired of the pi***ING and moaning of the trolls.
 

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Oh Free, he is just tired of the pi***ING and moaning of the trolls.

I've seen a lot of inquiring and gossiping. Some people don't keep up with the current threads before they post their own threads, which makes them appear as trolls. Here's an example of a troll thread: The Viper is dead, who gives a $hit.
 

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Oh, and driving your Viper everyday, encouraging people to sit in it, giving them rides whenever they ask etc. definitely does not lend itself well to "exclusivity". :D
 

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Oh, and driving your Viper everyday, encouraging people to sit in it, giving them rides whenever they ask etc. definitely does not lend itself well to "exclusivity". :D
Well, if it was someone one I knew it create the influence to go buy one, or give a great kid a memory I would. To each his own. I am guilty if not keeping up with
every single thread ever posted. I hope no one would ever start a thread about not giving a s***t. But hey I guess some people just dont. I think arguing among
Ourselves about demise or not, doesn't solve anything.
 

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I think arguing among Ourselves about demise or not, doesn't solve anything.

Agreed. You know what might be a kick ass silver lining in all of this? Maybe the 2017 Viper Final Edition will be a 10 liter factory BEAST. That wouldn't take too much to accomplish. Then one of those with a polished Sledgehammer package on there....that would be pure Viper **** right there baby.
 

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Only Silver lining will be 80 people building the next gen of Vipers.... the 1000 HP version
 

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Only Silver lining will be 80 people building the next gen of Vipers.... the 1000 HP version

How in hell's creation are we gonna afford a "FACTORY" thousand horsepower car? It'd be a million bucks. $hit only Bob could afford it.
 

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we???????????

I've been called a 1 percenter, so I must be loaded
 

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Agreed. You know what might be a kick ass silver lining in all of this? Maybe the 2017 Viper Final Edition will be a 10 liter factory BEAST. That wouldn't take too much to accomplish. Then one of those with a polished Sledgehammer package on there....that would be pure Viper **** right there baby.
Viper exchange is working on a Sledgehammer pkg now. I believe it will be out in 2016. Maybe this little missy should mosey on down and get one hahahahaha:D
 
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I like my Viper. Am I going to "rally" with VOA members and picket FCA headquarters? No. MoparMap, people are just trying to figure out what the hell is going on. Nobody on here is speaking "doom and gloom"....just trying to accumulate facts. It is what it is and quite frankly, your over exuberant fanboi letter was a difficult read.

There are already something like 4 threads were people are saying "I guess it's over". Everywhere I look here it's "the Viper is dead", "it was a good run", "Viper production is over", etc. Come one people, this is the car's #1 fan site. I just don't get why everyone seems to want to write it off so easily. I'm not saying picket the headquarters as much as a rally for support. If one day all the workers in Conner Avenue left for the day only to see 100s of Vipers in the parking lot, I think it would make a statement that the car is truly loved and worth keeping going. Granted I think the people at Conner already know that, so that's why FCA headquarters came to mind.

It's also just the jumping to conclusions that gets me. The contract does not state the Viper project is over. That has nothing to do with the UAW agreement. Something like that is entirely within FCA's management realm, not the people that build the car. When FCA puts out a press release that says Viper production and development is over, then I agree that it's done. One line in a union contract is not nearly the same.
 
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Oh, and driving your Viper everyday, encouraging people to sit in it, giving them rides whenever they ask etc. definitely does not lend itself well to "exclusivity". :D

I only care about exclusivity in that I don't like seeing another version of my car coming down the street at me. It doesn't have to be an expensive sports car, it can be a regular ******, but I just like something you don't see every day. I'm not saying the Viper needs Corvette production numbers, I'd rather it not. But getting people interested in the car never hurts. If you were a kid and saw a "bedroom poster" car, wouldn't you want the owner to be a nice guy and not a rich snob? Frankly, I got my Viper for less than a lot of families pay for a well optioned 4 door sedan, so I've never fit in the "exclusivity" crowd in that way. I pick different cars because I want to be different, not because I'm trying to show off.
 

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There are already something like 4 threads were people are saying "I guess it's over". Everywhere I look here it's "the Viper is dead", "it was a good run", "Viper production is over", etc. Come one people, this is the car's #1 fan site.

If something is over, or coming to an end, there's no harm in people attempting to validate rumors they are hearing. I would ESPECIALLY expect to hear this type of banter at "the car's #1 fan site".
 

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If you were a kid and saw a "bedroom poster" car, wouldn't you want the owner to be a nice guy and not a rich snob? I pick different cars because I want to be different, not because I'm trying to show off.

As a kid, when I saw a "bedroom poster car", the thought never crossed my mind about wether or not the owner was a snob. The car stands alone, regardless of the windbag that owns it. And by the way, if you purchase a car because you "want to be different", you want to stand out. If you stand out, multitudes of people will think you are showing off. Ergo, if you purchase a Viper, you WILL be viewed as a show off. Your opinions of yourself are irrelevant. I bought my car because I AM a bit of a show off. Just look at the car....it's screaming to be showed off. I also purchased the car for MY enjoyment and I don't like to share, especially with grubby little kids and their boogery little fingers.
 

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In part I agree with MoparMap that people are stepping over facts and running with the headline that is not fact based
 

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Free, to your point

I could care less about the owner also when looking at a poster. My problem has been when they place a beautiful girl in the poster I lose focus and end up checking out those feminine curves
 

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Free, to your point

I could care less about the owner also when looking at a poster. My problem has been when they place a beautiful girl in the poster I lose focus and end up checking out those feminine curves


I'm pretty sure one of my favorite videos growing up did nothing at all for Jaguar. I never even knew what car it was until long after puberty......

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i3MXiTeH_Pg
 
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As a kid, when I saw a "bedroom poster car", the thought never crossed my mind about wether or not the owner was a snob. The car stands alone, regardless of the windbag that owns it. And by the way, if you purchase a car because you "want to be different", you want to stand out. If you stand out, multitudes of people will think you are showing off. Ergo, if you purchase a Viper, you WILL be viewed as a show off. Your opinions of yourself are irrelevant. I bought my car because I AM a bit of a show off. Just look at the car....it's screaming to be showed off. I also purchased the car for MY enjoyment and I don't like to share, especially with grubby little kids and their boogery little fingers.

One example I have of "being different" was driving around my 67 Dart after I just bought it that was still covered in 1/8" of dust from the body shop that didn't have a carpet or a headliner and I had to throw a towel over the seat because it was so roached out. I was embarrassed for people to see the inside of the car, but I had a smile on my face the whole time I was driving it and you will almost never see another one driving down the road shy of a car show. My dad has a 93 Stealth that is barely worth the tires that are on it, but you don't see them on the road very often. That's the kind of stuff I like. I like cars you don't see on the other side of the intersection on a regular basis. It doesn't have to do with value or showing off. You can be unique without showing off. I don't need the car to stand out, I just don't want it to get lost in the crowd.
 
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In part I agree with MoparMap that people are stepping over facts and running with the headline that is not fact based

Right, this is what's getting me more than anything else. Most of the headlines and thread titles are proclaiming the car's death, not asking about it. The news outlets aren't helping the matter either as they are jumping to the same conclusions and sensationalizing it. One article I read even made it sound like the UAW killed the Viper off themselves, like they actually specified that the plant close. That's ridiculous. What union worker would voluntarily demand that the plant they are working in get shuttered?
 

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