Reducing the price of the Gen V starts with the owners.

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These government mandated electronics are what drove the price of the new GEN V up. IMO they are an addition that ruins the experience and its the people that buy performance cars fault.

Like many of you, I am SCCA road racer. Yes, just like many of you I am not a poser, I have championships and track records (viper guys are pretty ********...possibly the ultimate ******** owners in the car industry). So I think you will know and understand this statement "I got the Viper ACR because it does not have traction control. Its part of the thrill of driving. I don't want that stuff."

Like many of you, I am not loaning my car to someone anyway and if someone can't operate a car of this caliber they should not own or drive it anyway.

I think there should be "levels" of drivers licenses. Like competition licenses. You should HAVE to go to driving schools for these higher powered cars and pass a test, just like we have to do in the SCCA. Now that guy who just won the lotto or the kid with the dad that bought him a 600 horsepower sports car for his 16th birthday won't lose control on the road in front of me and cross three lanes of traffic trying to gather the car back up (been there saw that).

Electronics, yaw control etc... allow idiots to think they are good drivers and they get up to higher speeds before things go really awry so the electronics can't fix it and the car tumbles down the highway and off into the trees.

Supercars, need drivers with Super Licenses. This will reduce accidents, insurance costs and keep our Super cars real cars that maintain the driving experience AND reduce the vehicles costs to engineer, build and when it gets to the customer, their cost purchase and to maintain.
 
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Hey, I like a lot of your ideas, especially about graduated licenses. I think there should be graduated speed limits, too. Depending on the vehicle. For example, an old p/u piled with 12' of furniture and worn steering might not be safe enough doing 55 mph. Conversely, a well-maintained sports car, with a top-level licensed pilot, should be allowed to go somewhat faster. It's not

It's not safer for some bozo in his clunker to be doing 60, than a great driver in a great car, to be doing 70. There are.relative factors involved. Graduated licenses, and consideration of vehicle figure into it.

Regarding traction control-
Tommy Milner couldn't improve his lap time in a ZR1, with it turned completely off. His best lap time came with it in Race Mode!

Maybe there should be a separate class of racing, for cars w/o t/c.
 
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Write your CONgress person. If they can find a way to steal more money from your levels of licenses you'll get what you want.
 

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These government mandated electronics are what drove the price of the new GEN V up. IMO they are an addition that ruins the experience and its the people that buy performance cars fault.

Like many of you, I am SCCA road racer. Yes, just like many of you I am not a poser, I have championships and track records (viper guys are pretty ********...possibly the ultimate ******** owners in the car industry). So I think you will know and understand this statement "I got the Viper ACR because it does not have traction control. Its part of the thrill of driving. I don't want that stuff."

Like many of you, I am not loaning my car to someone anyway and if someone can't operate a car of this caliber they should not own or drive it anyway.

I think there should be "levels" of drivers licenses. Like competition licenses. You should HAVE to go to driving schools for these higher powered cars and pass a test, just like we have to do in the SCCA. Now that guy who just won the lotto or the kid with the dad that bought him a 600 horsepower sports car for his 16th birthday won't lose control on the road in front of me and cross three lanes of traffic trying to gather the car back up (been there saw that).

Electronics, yaw control etc... allow idiots to think they are good drivers and they get up to higher speeds before things go really awry so the electronics can't fix it and the car tumbles down the highway and off into the trees.

Supercars, need drivers with Super Licenses. This will reduce accidents, insurance costs and keep our Super cars real cars that maintain the driving experience AND reduce the vehicles costs to engineer, build and when it gets to the customer, their cost purchase and to maintain.


Respectfully no. I don't need a police state with some person sitting behind a DMV counter that I can't buy a certain type of car.

If you get killed because of your bad driving....that is on you. If you injure another, you should be destitute. Pay for your actions.

This exact thread has been discussed many times before.
 
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Oh I understand completely that traction control is on average faster than without it. BUT we bought the cars for the fun factor.

Just roll off in low gear and punch it and watch when she gets around 4000 rpm and the tires start talking back to you (that they are about to lose traction), let it shake the tire a little or slightly drift around as your passenger squirms cuz they can sense the craziness of it all. Man thats driving... so fun. All that in a 0-60 shot down my long driveway. Turn the traction control on and its.... well kind of boring. The craziness is gone. The crazy makes it fun.

Sign me up for a "Super Car" license. I will take the test.

Racing Schools could really benefit from this, your insurance company should discount you AND you can be happy because you have proven you can control the car, the car doesn't control you.

AS FAR AS licensing Super Car Owners. I think the public has a right to know you have the talent to be behind the wheel of this vehicle JUST LIKE a Truck Driver or a Motorcycle rider.

These vehicles are different and are a big responsibility and monetary fines AFTER someone is killed due to the drivers lack of ability does not bring the people back. If you can afford the car, you can afford to pay to learn the skills to drive it.

By having the DMV recognize existing licenses you hold by organizations like the SCCA, IMSA etc... will allow many current Viper owners to qualify for the Super Car License immediately.
 
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the viper is not a super car imo its american muscle car.supercar are the exotics.the best drivers can loose a viper on the streets ,its a car like the ford gt needs to be respected that the back end can go sideways in a split of a 2nd.i have owned 5 vipers and i have been bit and bitten.so what if it has traction control if the driver does not want it disengage it .
 

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