B&M Shifter

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I had the B&M ripper in my C5. I have the Viper B&M Ripper kit on order. Any input??

And whats up with the stock Viper shifter. Its that some sort of a joke? My f-350 had a shorter throw.

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The throw of stock shifter is easily shortened with the MGW shift knob that everyone seems to really like. Jerry Scott (CO) also pioneered a project to install more formidable springs in the stock shifter to decrease the liklihood of missed shifts.

Some have installed the B&M, others the SVSi (including me). If I had to do it all over again, I would do the MGW/spring thing. Check the archives for more information on the latter.
 

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I bought my car used and the guy put a B&M shifter in it. This weekend I was in a race at the track and the shift knb came off. It cracked at the base. I had to use the stem for the rest of the race. For Sunday's race I had to hose clamp the knob on. Ask around...
 

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I found the B&M to work extremely well and whether you are installing it yourself or having it done, take the time to install it from the underside of the car. I've installed several of them this way. You don't have to drill out any of the stock rivets holding the rubber shift boot. In my opinion it doesn't take any longer, it's cleaner and you have less to worry about when the job is done!
 
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Thanks guys. . . There seems to be mixed opinions on the B&M.
I liked the C5 kit but we'll see how the viper one is. Anything beats the bannana in a bowl of Jello feel that comes with the stock shifter. . .


BRETT---As far as installing it from the underside whats, the deal with that?? Or will it be self explanitory once I have it on the rack?


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It's a little cumbersome, but well worth it. It has been a while since I've done this, but here's how I recall it. Once the car is up just lower the trans by removing the tranny mount directly underneath and it will "sag" enough to reach the top bolts of the stock shifter. Loosen the four bolts and remove the old shifter and replace it with the new one up through the shift boot while making sure the bottom of the shiter is seated correctly (with feel) and bolt it down. The trickiest portion of the task is the adjustment of the shifter, but it can be done with a little patience. Unfortunately it's one of those things that is really easy the second time, but half the battle is just deciding to do it! Good luck and let me know if you need more info as the time gets closer....


ps. Don't tell anybody I posted something that "some" may deem helpful.
 
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I hear ya Brett. (He did not post anything that anyone would Deem helpful) --Jedi mind trick for all reading this.

Thanks Man.

Ill give it whirl. I am good friends with the the shop manager I bum equipment from and whos rack I will be hopefully using(Evans Automotive Columbus Ohio 614-417-7551) <<<Timmy can I use your rack because I know you read My posts
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>>> Between him and myself I think we will be able to tackle it.


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I broke 2 - YES TWO B&M Ripper shifters in my Viper. The first one was arguably broken when I put it in, but the small 'tolerances' didn't show up until I bolted it all back up. Then, my 2nd one broke about 2 weeks ago. The weld broke and I had to rip it out again.

On the plus side, B&M has been very good about warrantying it, but I dont think it is as good as the others out there. I use the B&M with the stock knob and it DOES feel really good!
 

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Evans Auto on Morse Rd. perhaps? We've had a couple B+M's snap like the guys say. B+M will usually take care of it though. We run a stock shifter with a solid, shorter isolator rod instead of the stock rubber insulated unit in Mumford's car. Stock shift knob too. Oh God....the secrets out...is that cheating?...that's why Mumford's so fast........or is it the trick headlight filters and muffler bearings?dj
 

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Here's a write-up on changing the shifter from under the car.

Removing the shifter

1. Put the car on jack stands with the frame about 17 in. off the floor.

2. Remove the frame plate under the transmission by removing all 12 of the attachment bolts with a 19/32 or 15mm socket.

3. Put the shifter in neutral and keep it there during this whole procedure. Remove the shifter knob from the shifter stud from inside the car with a 3/4 open end wrench. Now remove the stud. If you have the original shifter stud with the shock mounting isolator, the stud will be easier removed from under the car with a 3/4 or 19 mm open end wrench, after you have performed item 5. If you have the aftermarket SVSI solid stud, remove it now (before lowering the transmission), from the inside of the car. Simply push down on the shifter boot and unscrew it with a 9/16 open end wrench, and pull it out of the boot. If you have aftermarket throttle body intake tubes, loosen them on one end so that when you drop the rear of the transmission they will not be damaged when pulled away from the air box.

4. Put a jack under the rear of the transmission just in front of the crossmember support, then remove the two crossmember bolts that hold the rear of the transmission. Use a 15 mm socket and a 15 mm open end wrench.

5. After the bolts are removed, lower the jack so that the trany comes down a little more than 1 in. at the bolts.

6. Reach up over the top of the rear part of the transmission to locate by feel the four bolts that hold the shifter to the top of the transmission. Use a 13 mm open end wrench to remove these four bolts. Be careful that you do not remove the wrong two bolts that are forward of these four bolts and the same size. The space is tight in this area, but after a little practice it is not that difficult. The two forward bolts are the most difficult, but if you take small movements of the wrench with the length of the wrench forward and turning the wrench over after each movement, you will be able to remove these bolts. You may find it helpful to unclip some of the wiring harnesses in the tunnel and push them aside, to get more room. The amount of room depends on how far the trany comes down. On my car with aftermarket tri-y headers, it only came down 1 inch. With stock headers, the trany may come down 1 1/2 in..

7. The shifter probably is sealed to the trany with RTV sealer, so you may have to pry on it to get the shifter to come loose. When loose, lift vertically, then move it around to get it to come out of the small space. The ball end of the shifter fits into a plastic bushing that may come out with the shifter. Make sure that you put this bushing back into the trany into its pocket. You will feel the hole where it should be located.


Reinstalling the shifter

1. Put the stock rubber boot seal back on shifter if you have removed it for any reason. Work the shifter around (without the shifter stud), until you get it to go back into the small space and on top of the trany. Make sure that you have the plastic bushing in place. Before putting in the bolts, raise the shifter slightly and apply with your finger a thin coat of RTV sealer to the rim of the mounting surface of the trany. I used Permatex Ultra Copper (red in color), but any high temperature RTV will work. This is necessary since there is some free oil in this shifter box. Now put in the four bolts and tighten them down. I did not use Locktite on the four bolts, since it makes it too hard to remove a second time if necessary.

2. If you are installing the stock shock mounted shifter stud, replace it as you removed it, from under the car. If you are installing an aftermarket solid stud, you can install this one from inside the car after step 3.

3. Now re-clip the wire harnesses that you may have unclipped. Jack up the trany and reinstall the two crossmember bolts. Replace the frame plate with the turned down lip at the front, and torque all 12 of these bolts to 30 ft. lbs. starting from the center and working outward.

4. If you have an after market shifter stud to install, go inside the car and push the shifter boot down until you see the shifter arm. Put in the shifter stud with blue 242 Locktite on the arm of the shifter. Make sure that you thread the metric thread into the shifter and not the 1/2-20 thread which is for the knob. SVSi makes a solid shifter bolt that is 3 1/2 in. long if you want to replace the stock shock stud. The cost of the longer stud was around $10. Put on the shifter knob of your choice. Now reconnect the throttle body intake tubes where they were disconnected, and you are done.

5. It is my opinion that this procedure is easier than going through the driveshaft tunnel from the top and drilling out the hardened steel rivets for the rubber boot. Drilling these rivets will make quite a mess inside your car and the they are very hard to remove.

date: revised 5-22-01

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