looking to upgrade brakes - who sells SRT/10 big brake kit

FRED02ACR

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Looking to upgrade my 02 GTS ACR brakes.

I heard the SRT/10 brakes (red calipers for me) are really good. (cross drilled/slotted rotors as well needed).

Who has the best price out there?

thanks
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Mark, thanks for the plug :cool:

Fred, is this what your looking for :usa: :shocked:
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I sent you a PM, This kit is also available at the following dealers:
DC Performance
WestCoastViper
Archer Racing
Tators Dodge

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New Products and Supplier Specials on this forum, or call 858-382-4713 PST.
 

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RACECARS got the conversion kit

but we got the RED SRT calipers, also drilled/sloted rotors....all brand new..and of course calipers in RED..NO exchange

pm or e-mail us for full details...thanks
 

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RACECARS got the conversion kit

but we got the RED SRT calipers, also drilled/sloted rotors....all brand new..and of course calipers in RED..NO exchange

pm or e-mail us for full details...thanks

Fred don't mean to hijack your thread....

Dave is 18 inch rims okay for your kit?

Venom,
how much for the calipers and sloted/drilled rotors? ...in red. Been thinking of doing the same thing but don't know where to get it. Will I get a discount if I trade you my stock calipers?
Anyway your chrome gas cap looks nice :2tu:
 

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V10TT & GTS Bruce,
If your talking about my system,(SRT Big Brakes) the calipers and rotors are OEM SRT-10, there also used on the Comp cpe's, plus they say VIPER on them :cool: :usa:
 

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Mr Hemi Head
It works with OEM 18", but you can't use SRT's on all 4 corners. With stock 18", you move your front calipers and rotors to the rear(saves money) and use SRT's on the fronts.
More info call my cell 858-382-4713 PST for more info.
 

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Is this system (srt-10 kit on all 4 wheels) superior in braking than having the rears upgraded to the 40 mm piston?
How about putting 13" rotors with stock OEM front calipers on the rears?
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Tom F&L GoR

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The brake clamping force on the rotor is proportional to the piston area. The total area of the pre-ABS Viper front pistons vs. the rear pistons is about 83% front/17% rear and the 40mm changes it to 80/20%. ABS Gen 2 cars are about 78/22%, and they can tolerate too-large rear brake area because the ABS will keep the rears from locking. These three examples kind of tell you where the sweet spot is.

Putting fronts on the rear and getting 50/50% is not going to balance the brakes! After you modify the knuckle, mount a replacement parking brake, use different rotors (or spacers) to get the front caliper to fit behind the rear wheel, install a proportioning valve to dial down the rear brake line pressure, you will use them at far less capacity than what they are capable of. I'm sure it gets great results, but you've spent a bit of time, money, and made some irreversible changes to get there.

If the car already has ABS, then it'll make the four piston caliper work as hard as, say, a one piston caliper. If it did any more, it'll lock the rears.

The OEM rear calipers are not particularly good looking, but they don't have to be much larger to make a big difference. The heat soak of a four piston aluminum caliper will transfer lots of heat to the fluid, while the cast steel single piston will not transfer as much, but either way boiling fluid in the rear isn't an issue. The total weight of brackets+caliper+parking brake is probably close. The only negative is that the smaller pads might run hotter, but I've yet to hear anyone complain they wear out rear pads faster than fronts. Reports from track rats with 40mm rears say it goes from 3 front sets + 1 rear set to 2.5 front sets + 1 set rear.

I posted deceleration data on the board after measuring the braking improvement from about 0.8 g's to over 1.0 g's just from the rear brake swap (stock '94, street tires, two people in the car.) It's a great post, because someone added SRT braking, which did better yet, but the SRT has ABS and better suspension geometry, too.

I think that the four piston calipers on the back look terrific, I am sure ABS would make even me look good, but I'd love to see the data that says just swapping in larger calipers (other than for endurance cars where you need huge pad area so they last a longer time) stop the car any better. And to be totally anal and technical, if your testimonial is that bigger calipers feel better, include the size of your master cylinder, since the ratio of master cylinder diameter to piston area will affect your modulation capability, so it feels under control, but may or may not stop quicker.

In God we trust, all others bring data!
 

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Tom,

I am considering getting the roe front srt kit and your rear 40mm upgrade for my 96. Am i better off trying your upgrade first or should i do both?

Robert
 

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Found this site which has a discussion about brake balancing. I do not claim the information as factual. Website is from TurnFast.com At the bottom of each page is the link to the next section. Part 2 gets into the "math" behind their discussion points.

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So, I guess that Dodge doesn't know what they are doing, when they took our crappy Gen2's, and installed 14"x1.25" rotors and monster calipers, and bigger pads, and put them on all the SRT-10's, and comp coupes. And everyone that thinks the SRT's, and Comp Cpe's (SRT-10's, and Comp Cpe's have the same braking system) stop great, don't know anything either.

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Robert, biggest bang for the buck are rear brakes. If after that the fronts still seem overworked, add the bigger kit.

Dave, Dodge gave us more years and miles of crappy brakes than SRT brakes, so there is obviously a cost, development, and fitment issue with low volume production cars. You can't use Dodge as an ideal reference.

I didn't say SRT's don't have great brakes, I just don't attribute it to the absolute size. My point is that once you have the right amount of braking at each end of the car, unless you need bigger pads to survive the 24 hours of LeMans, it won't brake better. It's like asking how much do you have to weigh to balance on a teeter-totter; doesn't matter as long as the person on the other side is the right distance away.

ViperBite, the TurnFast article is pretty good. The last section about ease of pedal application is what I was referring to with the ratio of master cylinder to caliper size - if it increases driver comfort (a good thing) it seems to work better.
 
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