Atlanta area WS6 owner looking to compare my car against a GTS Viper soon :)

Craig 201 MPH

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After your mod's your car will be pretty **** wicked, but with 420 RWHP I don't think you'll be able to take one with only 400 RWTQ. I'm not sure what your car weighs but I think a Viper is lighter. Though your gearing might be beneficial at lower speeds the snake will be gone after your gearing runs out.

Sweet car though

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> Note that Torque is to acceleration what hp is to top speed...

This is a common misconception. Cars with the same -peak- torque and same gearing / wheel sizes, but with different HP, will NOT accelerate at the same rate. Perfect example: Acura Integra Type R and Integra LS. They both have the same size engine, both make the same peak torque (+/- 5%) but have radically different horsepower (140 vs 195) and acceleration.

An easy way to visualize the relationship between acceleration, torque and HP is to look at a dyno curve and imagine a car accelerating. The acceleration at any instant is a function of the torque at that RPM multiplied by the effective gearing of the car, divided by the weight of the vehicle. You shift when the torque multiplied by gearing of the gear you're shifting INTO is at least as high as the torque multiplied by the gear you're shifting OUT of. This, not coincidentally, is the same RPM where the HP you'll shift into is at least as high as the HP you're shifting out of.

Now: A 400 RWHP Viper makes its 440 ft/lbs of torque low in the RPM range, and the torque begins to fall off by 4,800 RPM. The 420 RWHP T/A will make its 400 ft/lbs peak torque higher in the RPM band, and will hold that torque longer. By choosing a different gear ratio, the T/A will be able to accelerate as quickly as the Viper at the same road speeds by running higher RPMs to compensate for its lower torque; the availability of torque higher in the RPM band allows it to do this. A 420 RWHP, 3300 lb T/A should modestly out-accelerate a 400 RWHP, 3400 lb Viper from a roll; from a standing start, driver skill and the Viper's superior traction and weight distribution would play a large role.
 

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I live in Roswell and have a 1997 GTS. Just to compare, my previously bone stock car (and I really mean bone stock) dynoed on three runs between 398.1 rwhp and 407.2 rwhp. The torque ranged from 435.8 to 444.8. These runs differed due to the lack of a fan in front of the car and engine heat. After three runs, we shut it down. That was when my car had less than 5000 miles, so some break in may have helped those numbers a bit.

My car is still very street legal (except perhaps for the exhaust note !). However, I now have headers, 3" exhaust, bigger throttle bodies, free flow cats and various suspension and braking mods that wouldn't affect straight line performance much. I have not opened the engine at all or done anything to the heads. I do have Roe Racing's computer tuning gizmo, but it ain't a new chip or anything like that. I re-dynoed the car (before I installed the free flow cats and the computer gizmo) and had 450.7 rwhp with 482.2 torque. I expect it's a little better on HP and torque due to the cats and gizmo, but I have yet to re-dyno.

If you are interested in getting together sometime, e-mail me at [email protected]. I have never done any straight line racing, but I'll put my car against just about any other (except Dean Word's and Sean Roe's Viper's) at RoadAtlanta ! The only real competition are other Vipers and the Porsche factory 996 race cars. Smokin Ferraris and Porsches gets boring after a while.

Sincerely,

Rocky Horde
 
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Why doesn't TransAmboy take his car to a dragstrip and get some numbers? That way, you don't risk killing anyone in a street race. Also, if you street race a Viper owner who just learned to shift yesterday and thinks that a launch is something you do at restaurant around noon, it will be a pretty meaningless contest.

We know what a properly driven Viper will do at a dragstrip. Let's see what your car will do.
 

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I live in Atlanta - I am willing to go have some fun. Tell you what, I will run you from a roll - you can use the Bottle! That way, it will be more of a test for me - can I run with a Modified WS6 on the Bottle??? I suggest Peachtree Ind. north between Winters Chappel and Jimmy Carter. I regularly do my 40-150 runs there.

Should be fun.

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My buddy has a ram air TA with a six speed. He runs about 350 rear wheel horsepower. When he has his ET streets on and takes out all of his interiour, he runs 11.80s. His trap speed is around 117. Vipers with street radials run 12.20 at 120 mph. The trap speed indicates that it has a lot more ET in it than the tires will allow.

I hope that helps.

PS. I have a 700 horsepower Camaro. Ummmm It is much quicker than my Viper GTS. However, it is still not a Viper. hahaha

BTW, my Camaro is for sale if anyone is interested.
 
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The "TransAm boy" comment was meant as good natured fun. I've been called "Viperboy" and always considered it to be good natured. If you took offense, sorry. Comment withdrawn.

As for the street racing, whether you are a pencil-necked teenager or Mario Andretti, street racing is unsafe. OK, fine, if you have the skills of Mario, it may not be quite as dangerous as if some 16 year old was behind the wheel. Nonetheless, street racing is never a good idea. Take it to the dragstrip. It's not only safer, but you'll get accurate numbers and a good comparision.
 

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hey ramair...

i am renting a track may 5th for the cobra club and some of my viper friends are coming too. it will be right here in augusta georgia. well the track is actually in jackson s.c. but only a few miles from augusta. this will give you some time to take several runs and get used to your cars mods. you can also go heads up with some cobras and vipers. you are welcome to come give me a call 706-793-1770

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george ciamillo
http://www.mgwltd.com
 
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