That is the reality. You are overpriced.
crazy it still hasn't sold!
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VicTxV10
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Well, from what I've heard and have read around here, your car needs some white hood vents.
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emo
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What paint work was done that you know of?
If this was a re-spray I could see your point, but if it has had the fascia re-sprayed for rock chips I really don't think it's a deal breaker. I would much rather buy this example then one that has hundred rock chips and road rash.
Well, we all can't be right. One of the things that "I" look for as a buyer in a car, is records, quality of paint. I would much rather buy a car with repainted bumper than have it delivered to me full of chips, rock cracks...all I will do is have it repainted...a waste of my time and money. I do understand your point...I have seen some paint jobs where it is very clear the work was mediocre...which usually turns buyers (like me), away.
No offense taken man...everyone is entitled to their own opinion...
Exactly my point. In addition, both doors were repainted as well. The previous owner hated the weaves and inperfections ALL GTS's are known for (heck, even the new ones look horrible) and had them sanded down, refinished and repainted. If that turns buyers away, so be it...that is one of the things that drew me to the car...
Dads Toy
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your car looks great, it is a bad market. I would rather have a car that was updated to make it look like new than have original paint with chips. JMO. A red viper with white stripes is one of the three color combo's I will be looking for though. agreed you can add stripes.
I'm tyring to sell a 99 GTS in Silver/Blue with 22-23K and I won't sell if the numbers are that low. There's a lot of people looking to take advantage of other's misfortune which in turn drives the market down. Thankfully I don't have to sell it but it definitely ***** for those who do! Best of luck on your sale and if it doesn't happen soon, I bet we'll all sell a little higher come spring time.
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If you are looking for a little more correspondence on the car, I would eliminate the FIRM part and the line about not responding to lower offers. It's a great car, but not $39,900 great. On the other hand, I would think there would be a small parade of buyers at 31-33K. I remember drooling over the car when the previous owner had it on ebay a while back. I like the aftermarket stereo and the black rims are just killer. Also like the newer style stock rims. As far as getting more money in the spring, I think the prices on these cars will slide a bit more before they get any better. Like I said, be a little less harsh in the pricing verbage and you should at least get some more activity on the car. No law says you need to accept a lower offer, but no harm in at least listening. 
What a very IGNORANT statement,
So according to you, i should be able to buy a B/W GTS for $30K(KBBbook value) when in fact they are selling from 40-50K (sold for 50K at barret this year)
The older our vipers get, the Further away they get from "bookvalue" they are becoming collectible by the year now, but as with everything in the economy there is a current slowdown.
but ok, if you want to sell me your viper in 10yrs for its KBBook value then , I'll Take It!!!
Tailwag flat and simple its the market(ECONOMY).I have been trying to sell my 08 Venom Red Roadster(1500 miles) for months.The car had an 89000.00 sticker and is LISTED in the VCA class for 68500.I have had 4 inquiry calls in a few months with people offering 55-60 .
If you are looking for a little more correspondence on the car, I would eliminate the FIRM part and the line about not responding to lower offers. It's a great car, but not $39,900 great. On the other hand, I would think there would be a small parade of buyers at 31-33K. I remember drooling over the car when the previous owner had it on ebay a while back. I like the aftermarket stereo and the black rims are just killer. Also like the newer style stock rims. As far as getting more money in the spring, I think the prices on these cars will slide a bit more before they get any better. Like I said, be a little less harsh in the pricing verbage and you should at least get some more activity on the car. No law says you need to accept a lower offer, but no harm in at least listening.
Thanks for your perspective, but, why would I want to waste someone's time, and mine for that matter? I am firm on the price of $ 39,900. I don't have to sell the car, but, I really thought someone would pick it up in a matter of a couple of weeks. If someone does not want the CCWs/kumho's then it is $ 37,900...stereo, probably $ 35,900. I really don't want a parade of buyers...or correspondence; I just want 1 buyer
- that is all it takes. I totally see what you are saying, but I figured I would make it easier for people that were serious. I have sold 70 cars in the last 17 years...I have always got what I asked for them as I always priced them fair (in my opinion). I had to sit on a 911 for a year though..., but she finally sold. I discounted that car $ 2,000 after a year, which I considered fair due to depreciation. If I have to sit on the car for a year, I really won't loose sleep over it... She is on autotrader now...so we shall see what kind of attention she will get.
damn! agentf1
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Join the club. Nobody is buying anything at any price. I am starting to think it is a blessing in disguise.
You CANNOT go by KBB on cars like Vipers or Vettes, especially Vipers. KBB assumes the car is driven 15,000 miles a year and does not have a clue as to what the Viper market is doing.
Vipers have ALWAYS even in the best of times taken a VERY long time to sell since it is such a narrow unique market and the audience is very small and is usually looking for the exact car they want. e.g. I wanted a Graphite or Sapphire GTS with factory stipes and less than 5000 miles.
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goldcup
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Tailwag if I was in the market for a GTS,knowing that car like I do I would buy it over anything else of that vintage no matter how low the mileage of the other cars.
If you get someone onsite to look at it,regardless of the market it will sell.
If you get someone onsite to look at it,regardless of the market it will sell.
2001-V10 Power Nut
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Great looking car, and very fair price. I think the only thing hurting your sale, is the current state of the economy.
Good luck with your sale.
Good luck with your sale.
Joseph Dell
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While there is a limited amount of truth to this statement, let's analyze 'the market' and the science of marketing and demographics, shall we?
- A person who will be a first time buyer of an 'exotic' car... where will they look for 'baseline' pricing? Ebay (sux), kbb (sux), edmunds (sux), etc. So that's one segment of the market. They will be turned off by 'firm' and a perceived-to-them-as-high price.
- A person who is highly educated about the vehicles. Perhaps a frequent forum member or a wise businessman. They know that the demand is down and the market is soft. So when they analyze the cars out there, they do their research. And they see that there ARE BW's going for under 40k. There ARE GTS's that go for a tad under or a tad over 30k. So the experienced buyer is going to not waste your time. I don't _need_ another car, but I'm looking for one. I know what I'm willing to pay. I'm not looking to get a steal (those cars often have 'stories' behind them) but I know what to look for and I can afford to wait. For every 20 guys who say '40k FIRM' there is a guy who wants to get rid of his payment or doesn't drive it or who has a nagging wife who wants the car gone. And in this circumstance, they often don't give a crap about 3k. Hell, I'd give 3-5k to keep my wife happy ANY day of the week!
- Then there is the auto-trader target market. These are like the craiglist folks. If you list a brand new 2006 with 1200 miles on it for $20k and say 'it must go today and be in cash' you'll get offers for 15k and with stories behind why they can't have cash. Can I make payments, etc... The bottom-feeders of the world. A step below ebay.
So somewhere between FAIR and LOW is what the market is commanding today. If you don't have to sell something in the market then why waste everybody's time by pricing it high and getting upset when we tell you that you are off your rocker. What is crazy is that the seller believes that their car is worth 40k!
oh well. free-market economics... for now. While we still have an economy!
my .02...
Usually people would buy supercars before Xmas to save a few thousand. Prices usually go up during spring. I think you couldn't sell it for $35,000 any easier. If it doesn't sell for $39K a couple thou won't matter.
The people that're saying the economy is only going to get worse and " Vipers are dead" are devalueing your car as well.
Unfortunately, it's quite possible that your car could be worth less in spring, dpending on the economy and what people say about the Viper's value. Especially on this site. The 'nay' sayers and people recommneding vettes first are costing you. Your price sounds fair to me, if I wanted another Viper.
Good luck, keep the price firm. You said it's cozy in the garage and you have no need to sell.
Ted
The people that're saying the economy is only going to get worse and " Vipers are dead" are devalueing your car as well.
Unfortunately, it's quite possible that your car could be worth less in spring, dpending on the economy and what people say about the Viper's value. Especially on this site. The 'nay' sayers and people recommneding vettes first are costing you. Your price sounds fair to me, if I wanted another Viper.
Good luck, keep the price firm. You said it's cozy in the garage and you have no need to sell.
Ted
The markets ****, the economy ***** and fortunately/unfortunately there are many Vipers to choose from and let's face it Red is not the most sought-after Viper color. To give you an idea how bad it is out there, take a look at Naple's Inventory here. Up until last summer, they couldn't keep up with Ferrari's, Lambo's, Porsches and even Vipers. How many Ferrari's do you see in their inventory? Everyone is suffering. Time is your friend...If you have no urgent reason to dump it now then hang on to it.
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viper spray
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Nice car and worth every penny of 39,900 , just wait for the right buyer...........
Lawrenzo
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This is what Naples thinks of Vipers
Maybe a "step up" in price, but a step down in performance10/31/08 - Mike of Estero is a local family business man, and a success story. Formerly a Viper driver, he decided to step up to the level of the supercar. Without question this is my personal favorite color combination for the 360, Yellow/Black with Yellow piping. Mike we would love to see you again. Stop in anytime.
Fatboy 18
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Sorry your not having much luck selling your car, It looks great I bought my car off the classifieds earlyer this year, If your car had be up for sale at the begining of the year chances are I would have bought it Your car has lower mileage than mine and that would have swung it Good luck. Dont give up
I bought my car off the classifieds earlyer this year, If your car had be up for sale at the begining of the year chances are I would have bought it Your car has lower mileage than mine and that would have swung it Good luck. Dont give up ShadowLight
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First, you have a beautiful car and I am sure there's lots of people who appreciate it. However, I just bought an 04 with half the miles for similar pricing, so....
This is what Naples thinks of Vipers
10/31/08 - Mike of Estero is a local family business man, and a success story. Formerly a Viper driver, he decided to step up to the level of the supercar. Without question this is my personal favorite color combination for the 360, Yellow/Black with Yellow piping. Mike we would love to see you again. Stop in anytime.
I got mine from Naples. The original owner put 3K miles on it and then traded it in for an F430 from Naples. As an executive from a casino, he had a LOT of money to burn. Of course they would love to see 'Mike' again...they made a killing off of him on the trade in and the 360.
But those cars have been sitting there for many months.00prowler
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Nice car..Just to give you an idea I just picked up an pristine 04 Jaguar XJ8 with only 15K miles on it for 17.5K...At a dealer no less!! This thing was 65K new...Great bargain if you want to shell out money in this economy...I bought it cause the price was right...Unfortunatly it is a huge buyers market for anything right now...Good luck to you...Al
wrong, you can totally go by kbb, especially on vettes. and i don't even need to qualify that statement by saying "in this economy." i was finding cars last year as well. one just needs to spend more time looking. if you know any car dealers or wholesalers... they take trade-ins or buy them at auction all day for prices that will shock you. and just because a price sounds too good to be true doesn't necessarily mean there is a "story" behind it. if there are owners willing to trade in their cars for below kbb trade-in "good" value, what makes you think you can't offer $500-1000 more to an owner looking for a quick exit (and still be well below kbb)? in a deleveraging environment like the one we are in, many assets get unwound regardless of what it is. if homes are down 30-40%, why would it be unbelievable for vipers to come down? and what is a greater necessity/ vs. luxury? when an individual needs to liquidate, they will take whatever they are comfortable with, especially if there is a time crunch.
last year, auto sales totalled to about 17 million. if we go by last month's sales and annualize that, we're looking at about 10 million. to give some significance to that figure: we're back to 1983. with all the easy money, rebates, 0% financing, the auto industry was on an unsustainable path. i've also come across the fact that there's now 1 car in the US for every person of driving age. so at the margin, the viper market will be and HAS been affected.
that said, to your point of vipers being in a narrow market, i would agree - especially in your case/ your particular car. there are not many examples of the combo you were looking for, but this thread has largely been about a Red GTS. even then though, there exist owners out there who might not even know what "jewel" of a viper they have on their hands - not all viper owners are enthusiasts, much less historians, fanatics, etc. like the majority that frequent this site. the only problem that remains in a buyer's market for a smart, patient buyer with cash on hand is the time/money saved tradeoff.
Tailwag, your car looks amazing, but the "right" buyer is going to have to cross paths with you for the sale to happen. the question is how long you are willing to wait. the turnaround everyone is hoping for in the economy is quite a ways away.
my question, which may have been asked, but i missed is: why are you selling the viper and keeping the vette???
last year, auto sales totalled to about 17 million. if we go by last month's sales and annualize that, we're looking at about 10 million. to give some significance to that figure: we're back to 1983. with all the easy money, rebates, 0% financing, the auto industry was on an unsustainable path. i've also come across the fact that there's now 1 car in the US for every person of driving age. so at the margin, the viper market will be and HAS been affected.
that said, to your point of vipers being in a narrow market, i would agree - especially in your case/ your particular car. there are not many examples of the combo you were looking for, but this thread has largely been about a Red GTS. even then though, there exist owners out there who might not even know what "jewel" of a viper they have on their hands - not all viper owners are enthusiasts, much less historians, fanatics, etc. like the majority that frequent this site. the only problem that remains in a buyer's market for a smart, patient buyer with cash on hand is the time/money saved tradeoff.
Tailwag, your car looks amazing, but the "right" buyer is going to have to cross paths with you for the sale to happen. the question is how long you are willing to wait. the turnaround everyone is hoping for in the economy is quite a ways away.
my question, which may have been asked, but i missed is: why are you selling the viper and keeping the vette???
FWIW, a recent owner scored a yellow 05 for $42k, just 7k mi on the clock and a few months left on the warranty. quoting California figures - KBB suggested retail value: $58,315, private party "excellent": $53,785, private party "good": $51,185, trade-in "excellent": $50,655, trade-in "good": $48,355, trade-in "fair": $44,155. KBB viper figures can apply, and have been beat.
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VENOMAHOLIC
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Thanks for your perspective, but, why would I want to waste someone's time, and mine for that matter? I am firm on the price of $ 39,900. I don't have to sell the car, but, I really thought someone would pick it up in a matter of a couple of weeks. If someone does not want the CCWs/kumho's then it is $ 37,900...stereo, probably $ 35,900. I really don't want a parade of buyers...or correspondence; I just want 1 buyer
She is on autotrader now...so we shall see what kind of attention she will get.
Have you really been through an average of 4.1176 cars per year? (70 cars/17yrs) That is pretty impressive. I wish you luck on getting the right buyer in this tough market. If I may make a suggestion, you should cut back on your new car addiction if the sales process is starting to bother you.
Yup, it is horrible, and that does not include the 20+ bikes... I am 34, now...among others, anything from S2000's (3), to STi's (5), to M3's (3) to Z32TT's (4), C5Z06's (4), C6Z06's (2)...and seems the Viper bug bit me too, but in my defense, the last 2 years I have done pretty good. I have been through and down with bikes since I turned 30 - but, I would not call it impressive really, more like impulsive. I have to admit, this is probably the worst the market/economy ever been since I could remember...but, life goes on.
Like I said, it really isn't a big deal: I just thought she would sell quick...but it seems she is going to have to stick around for a while...
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