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Four of the auto manufacturers have gotten together and evaluated and approved various gasoline retailers as being in the "top tier" and then actually posted the results which are to me a bit of a surprise. I've always been a Sunoco guy and they're not even on the list.


http://toptiergas.com/
 

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Hmmmm... I know that when my local Sam's Club got a load of diesel fuel instead of unleaded, it also affected two Shell stations, a QuikTrip, and a Phillips 66. In other words, they all use the same fueling station and the same gas. Interesting how they are all on the list but BP/Amoco, Sunoco, and others are not. And it doesn't say who owns that site - maybe a consortium of those brands? Oh, and my old '94 Suburban would ping like crazy on QuikTrip/Sam's gas but was fine on Amoco gas. Go figure.
 

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A little history...

In the late 80's and early 90's most larger, brand name gasolines had a nice amount of detergents to help keep engines (carburetors, intake ports, valves) clean, even though for the most part, carbureted engines were extremely tolerant of deposits. The Mom and Pop stations were cheaper prices, but zero detergents. Life was good because the majors could say their gasoline was better and the little guys could say their gasoline was cheaper.

Along came fuel injection and when injectors began to plug, they caused driveability problems. BMW was affected to a large degree, and they created a vehicle test, a performance limit, and a list of gasolines that met the criteria. This was also OK, because it was voluntary and for the most part, the majors could pass the test and further differentiate from the no-detergent gasolines.

Then California and EPA got involved because a stumbling, misfiring engine emitted more exhaust emissions. In the mid-90's they passed laws that required a minimum amount of detergents in all gasolines sold in the US. The minimum amount was that needed to pass the BMW injector deposit test. While the big oil brands were OK with this, the little guys now had to purchase detergent additives to be able to stay in business.

Two things happened. The little guys didn't care to put any more detergent in the gasoline than they needed to, so it created a LAC (Lowest Additive Cost) market. Additive companies developed detergents designed to beat the test (pass once out of many attempts, use a cleaner than normal base fuel, wait for a sweetheart test car...) And cheap additives entered the market. The other thing that happened was now that the little guys had some detergent, and a credible claim (we meet the EPA detergency rule; we pass the BMW test) the advertising became undifferentiable from the major brands that might have had 4 to 5 times the amount of detergent.

So, you're a major brand spending $60MM a year on additives and you can't communicate a performance message any better than Mom and Pop stores? You cut back on the amount of detergent!! And that's what happened - the little guys went up to the minimum amount of detergent and the big guys (most of them, don't think their accountants let them all hold out and keep a high additive treat level) went down to the minimum level. So most gasoline cleanliness performance of all gasolines in the US is the same (prior to this top tier list.)

Fast forward a little and injector deposits, warranty complaints, and in-the-field emissions checks have all gotten worse again. OEMs complain that their engine designs are good enough, but the gasoline is of poor quality. There were some base fuel changes during this time period that aggravated deposit levels, but the big problem was not using enough additive. So after some behind the scenes cooperation between some majors and some OEMs, they created the "Top Tier" system. It benefits the majors (and any brand that wants to make the marketing claim) because it allows them to differentiate again. It benefits the OEMs because they can direct consumers to better fuels to either prevent or clean up deposits and avoid or reduce driveability problems.

But!! For the most part, the base gasoline in a particular marketing area is the same, no matter what the brand. The difference between brands is the additive they use, not the base fuel they have. Big refineries produce gasoline, ship it via pipeline to here and there, and what you put in may not be the same gallon as what you get out. The pipeline companies ensure the quality of what you get out is the same as what you should have put in, but that's it. Base gasoline is a fungible product (i.e. commodity.) In fact, it is not until the fuel is loaded into the tank truck that the additive is mixed into the gasoline and the branded company takes legal ownership of the gasoline.

The additive amount in a gallon of gasoline is on the order of 0.002%. A common term is PTB, or pounds of additive per thousand barrels (lbs/42,000 gallons.) The cost to additize a gallon is on the order of $0.002 per gallon (also called 20 points, because 100 points = $0.01)

So back to the topic; Top Tier gasoline is indeed a step up in cleanliness. It is much more the result of detergent additives and far less of the base gasoline. Base gasoline does control the octane rating. So yes, Sam's Club gasoline will be the same base gasoline as Shell gasoline, but they'd use different performance level detergent packages.
 

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VERY Cool Tom! So now I learned 2 things...
1. The Shell that I usually buy IS better than most.
2. F&L GoR stands for Fuels & Lubes Geek of the Realm. :2tu:
 

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Unfortunately there is no good way to keep up with this kind of information. Additive purchase contracts are usually 2-3 years, and to treat the 6 to 20 billion gallons a year that each US major sells (the US market is over 100 billion gal/yr) costs each company $50 - $150MM/year. Changes in company management, corporate image, financial health, technical know-how, etc, may make a "good" gasoline fall to the bottom overnight. In fact, as I left the big oil company I worked for, there was another mega-merger and a gasoline brand that was also famous for their synthetic oil... well, at least their oil is pretty good.
 
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Great information Tom. I got this site from an article by Larry Webster in the august Car and Driver. A little further info...This was set up in 2004 by GM, BMW, Honda and Toyota. They got together, set the standard and are now having gsoline manufacturers certify to the standard. At some point there will be a Top Tier logo on the pump. For a company to receive the top tier seal it has to certfy every grade of fuel it sells. One other site Webster mentions is that of VP Racing fuels. They recemtly introduced 100 octane unleaded, called Street Blaze 100. Street legal in every state. Retail locations at www.vpracingfuels.com
 

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I've done my own personal research, about 400,000 cumulative miles worth, and have my own top tier brands - Exxon & Mobil get 99.99994% of my business. I'll use Shell, Sonoco, Chevron (which no longer really exists out here,) and Amacco if there's a blizzard and the Exxon station is plowed in. I wouldn't use generic/wholesale brands (ie Wawa, Safeway, BP, Citgo, ect...) or Texaco in my lawnmower let alone a vehicle I care about regardless of price.

But that's just me.
 

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We have stations here that sell 105 octain race fuel, I guess some call it white gas or airplane fuel.

anyone else have it? or, tried it? wonder if it would scorch the top of the pistons? or do internal damage?

Thanks,Rick
 

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Doesn't Octain rating relate to the amount of compression the fuel can tolerate before igniting on it's own? And that 105 octain really doesn't give you any performance improvement unless your engine has a high compression ratio and actually needs 105 octain?
 

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:)

From competitive evaluations through about 2002, Mobil and Sunoco had only the legal minimum amount of detergent. Shell had a decent amount and Texaco gasoline was exactly the same (Google for "Equilon" and you'll see this one marketing company operated both brands.) Amoco premium uses the same detergent as Chevron.

DarcShadow, you're correct about the performance improvement. Octane literally is a measure of a fuel's propensity to knock under specific speed, load, and temperature conditions, it can be generalized as compression ratio.
 
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