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Discussion in 'Generation V Discussions / SRT Coupe, GTS, GTC, AC' started by Lawrenzo, Jan 1, 2014.
According to the most recent edition of Automobile Magazine it is. Hmmmmm....
umm... the hellcat isn't a twin-turbo V8. It's supercharged. And not unless they redesigned the Viper to fit it.
Let's hope they aren't going to do that. Now a cheaper sports car with Viper underpinnings and this motor would be a great idea. It can compete with the base vette and won't dilute the Viper's exclusivity.
Agreed. Take the V10 out of the Viper, take the heart and soul with it.
Viper = V10. That's all there is to it. I just don't understand why there are these V8 rumors every once and a while. If they want a V8, buy a Vette.
I believe the V8 rumors keep coming up because there is an untapped potential market there that just wants that type of car. A lot of owners and potential owners love the sound of the V8 (I am one of them). I love my V-10 with the proper aftermarket exhaust on it as well but the supercharged 408 V8 Stroker in my 95' Saleen S351R V8 just blows it away for music to the ears. If Fiat (let's face it the Chrysler namesake is months away from being put out to pasture by Fiat with the buyout) looks hard out there and realizes what is taking place, they will create and offer a second model SRT car of a different namesake that has Viper underpinnings, some of Viper drivetrain (like the rear end and tranny) and make it look even more like the old original 60's Cobra. Hell rip the look right off but with a small model twist. Offer only a convertible or open roadster like the original. Ford is apparently never going to go that direction and is leaving food on the table for not doing it when they could have. Keep the prices in the base $65,000 to maxed out all options $95,000 range so it is under the Viper and watch the sales come in. Let's face it with the Viper priced where it is, people buy the Viper for what it is and what it has in it, the exclusivity. It may hurt 10% of Viper sales but gain a whole lot more revenue for SRT, then allowing the Viper V-10 to continue and evolve into the monster it has somewhere inside it. If we are honest, there is a lot more potential for car sales in the sub $100k range than the over the $100k range which is the case right now.
Colo, I think what you are describing might be the possible Cuda. Right now, the Hellcat is only going to be offered in the Charger, Challenger, and maybe the Ram if you believe Allpar. Those cars will be 65,000+ at least!!
If the power numbers come in on the Hellcat like rumored (680 hp, and mid-600s torque), the Viper V10 will have to get a power bump if they want to keep the Viper the "halo" car. But with Fiat in control, who knows?
Fiat just took full control of the reins today. Time will tell what the new owners have in mind. By: Graham Kozak on 1/02/2014
Fiat has announced that it will purchase the rest of Chrysler in a deal totaling $4.35 billion. Currently, the outstanding 41.6 percent stake in the company is owned by the UAW's voluntary employee beneficiary association, or VEBA, trust. Under the terms of the deal, Fiat won't shell out all $4.35 billion. Chrysler will raise $1.75 billion. Fiat will hand over $1.75 billion. VEBA will receive the remaining $700 million over the coming years in the form of four $175 million payments.
Read more: http://www.autoweek.com/article/20140102/carnews/140109994#ixzz2pGUfdxje
Exactly! Tap into that C7 Corvette market. Make the car and give buyers a choice at a cheaper SRT sports car model. And then use some of the R&D to spread the costs around. I am just surprised that they have never tapped into that market.
Probably because they didnt have the budget to do both in the past? Under Fiat now and with what Lawrenzo just posted, maybe now they do. We shall see but it will only benefit the Viper if cost is spread across another cheaper model just as it does the Vette.
And it will only work if it does NOT have Viper body work and is not called Viper. It can only share under the skin parts. Give it another snake name.
Love the V-10, but bottom line is that no sales means the car goes away anyway. The car car needs more power to stay on top of the world, The Viper community has basically shown for the most part that it is not the savagely loyal community that it once was. The Gen V was introduced to a less than enthusiastic crowd of bickering babies, when it basically lost to a worthy competitor. If SRT was smart it would put what ever engine package it could into the Viper to make it King, or at least for the moment. The crushing performance and great looks of the original car are what made it legendary. If it had housed a V-8 with the same performance the same effect would have existed. The most legendary engine of all time was the 426 Hemi, and it's a V-8. I also agree with some other observations that the sound of a stock V-10 is aweful, and yes it does sound like a UPS truck. Faster car with a V-8 means more sales, and most importantly more access to developed parts like the LS based vehicles.
Let it die then. I would raher see that then have it NOT be a Viper anymore.
Agree with Sly. The V10 IS the Viper. Just like there could be nothing but a flat (or is it a Boxer) 6 in the P 911. In both cases, the engine and the car are forever linked.
Agreed, would rather the car die then tarnished with a V8,
regardless of how much "performance" they claim there was.
But SRT has a way of doing stupid crap like this - the only two
car they ever got right were the Neon SRT4 and the new Jeep
SRT8 - otherwise (for reasons exactly like this rumor) they've
been more of a bother to me than a solution.
i concur, viper is v10 forever in my heart baby!
I actually think a lower priced Viper model (with a particular package name) that would have the Hellcat motor would sell well at the right price point.
But if anyone thinks that the Viper has to ONLY be a V10 that is dinosaur thinking. Seriously - remember when the Vette crowd was howling about Shelby's having a Supercharger? The ZR1 got one and it's the next best thing to sliced bread for some. For the N/A dinosaurs I say wake up - the MOST important thing for Viper is to SURVIVE and EVOLVE.
If it takes a lower priced, different engined, specialty model to help ensure VIPER lives long and prospers, then I'm all for it. But to say "Let it die if anything but a V10 sits between the front fenders" is silly.
Sure, I love the V10 Viper and never want to see that go away. But if adding another engine and dropping the price point sells more Vipers than that is GOOD.
It's all good folks.
If they put a V8 in the Viper, they should reduce the price drastically. Because that engine would likely have its development costs spread over several platforms.
If they go with a V8, they will save a huge amount of expense for every V8 Viper sold, but they more than likely will try to charge close to V10 Viper pricing for it, and pocket the difference.
Therefore, a V8 Viper should be way cheaper, like think just above Corvette range. But it won't, it would be priced just below V10 territory. It's a card trick, a hustle, a scam.
BEAN COUNTERS! Bleh!
While I'm popping up my head with my peerless opinions, I'd also like to know why they never changed to a 72 degree block, and got rid of that syncopated UPS truck sound that a 90 degree V10 makes?
Is the 90 degree V8 boring machine they make Viper V10s with an immovable, unchangeable object?
Maybe once tptb figured they could sell 90 degree V10s w/o a howl of protest, they then figured there was no compelling reason to ever change it.
I was always bummed they never produced the Firepower. Having a car on a Viper chasis with a twin-turbo V-8 or even the current SRT Hemi's in a GT package wouldn't be a bad thing.
If like to see the v10 in more SRT cars - would help aftermarket support and wouldn't dilute the Viper brand IMHO.
I disagree. The Viper IS the motor. I hate the new technology
added to the G5, BUT if backed into a corner I will agree
enhancing the V10 is a far better solution than replacing with
a V8 of any caliber. You comparison is a bit off though - the
Shebly guy might scoff at a factory SC, but I dont see any Viper
owners complaining - why? Simple, A SC isnt a nanny to the
driving experience to us... hell, I think we'd all drool over a
CAAP installed TT setup...
I'm curious to see what would happen if you push that new
fancy Ford V6TT onto the Shelby crowd...
It's a shame the RAM SRT-10 went away. I know they put a V-10 in a Challenger. I also remember seeing an 70's model that had been converted with a Gen II V-10. Not sure if it's viable with future emissions requirements. I would throw V-10 in t wife's minivan if it were feasible. Nothing like a bottomless pit of torque.
I read another article a few months back how the inline 5 was going away due to more stringent emissions requirement. I can't recall the details at the moment, but it had to do something with the firing order. V-10 fell into the same category.
Sorry to break it to you but the V10 motor is only the power, not the car's entire soul/character. True, it is a huge part of what a Viper is but this kind of thinking so like the Vette crowd crying about round tail lights, pop up head lights, and natural aspiration.
Evolutionary thinking ensures survival. No one is saying ditch the V10. I'm only saying embrace the idea that a change that would increase Viper's market share of two seat sports cars is solid business sense and gets more brethren in the owners ranks.
And that is good.
To the OP's thread question;
No and stop it.
At Carlisle last summer, they brought a Charger with the V10 and 6 speed. I'd trade my 07 Superbee for that!
IMHO in order for the Viper to survive long term, SRT needs to position it as the 'proving ground' for new tech. The engine needs to evolve (as much as I love the big burly V10) to something just as powerful, but a smaller form factor. I know plenty will disagree with me. I still think going with a smaller engine and topping it off with KERS would be ground breaking for the US performance market. To me, that would be radical.