sick of Z06 already !!!
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Warfang
Enthusiast
You must be the exception Jim... some people here keep saying how everyone loves the new coupe now and how it'll be secretly released with a million HP. shhhh
RavenFan_94
Viper Owner
Warfang you really are adding value to this board. Thanks for your wonderful posts.
Warfang
Enthusiast
Well, I got a late start... need another 2000 or so posts.
RT10Paul
Viper Owner
That's true. But which American manufacturer DID deliver during those years? I mean, that was the era of bright ideas like the 4 cyl Mustang. I'm not an automobile historian nor am I old enough to remember first-hand, but I can't recall any real muscle from any of the Big Three from the late 70s and 80s. They all $ucked (by today's standards, anyway). Did the Vette live up to its heritage of, say, the '67 year? No. But was it still one of the highest hp cars in its day? Yes. How is Chevy going to buck the trend and release a 350 hp Vette when the other manufacturers are scaling down significantly? I'm sure it made no sense to the bean counters at GM back then. A lot of people are now questioning if DC is living up to Viper's heritage.
And if I were DC, I'd hurry the f up and get the 600 hp Viper out. I really believe that the government is going to put a stop to these hp wars in the near future. I mean, 500 and 600 hp street cars are now running as fast as the pro dragsters of 1970s.
Chuck 98 RT/10
Enthusiast
Agreed. But in my case after years of psychoanalysis it was determined that I was emotionally and mentally irrevocably damaged by GM’s abandonment of big cube motors.
The GM girls over at the Corvette boards will agree and love that comment.
Rumor has it the new zo6 is having trouble meeting its performance goals. Would not be surprised. No need to get too excited until we have real production vs. real production cars to compare.
With all the hoopla, the zo6 just meets the Viper HP and falls short on TQ. Seems they should have exceeded both...however, maybe they can't.
With all the hoopla, the zo6 just meets the Viper HP and falls short on TQ. Seems they should have exceeded both...however, maybe they can't.
vipah
Enthusiast
Remember the good old days when nothing came close? You didn't have to argue about they better driver or how many mods you could put on the Viper.
Sure would be nice to have the new Vipers at the same comparable level to the competition as back in the Gen II days. What a shame.
As for DC coming out with a surprise in HP, I think that is pure wishful thinking. If they were going to do that they would have never given out any figures already, just kept quiet.
As for looks, well that is subjective, but stand an SRT next to the new Vette and they look pretty close to me. We'll see what the Coupe and Z06 look like on the street, but they both seem about equal to me.
Sure would be nice to have the new Vipers at the same comparable level to the competition as back in the Gen II days. What a shame.
As for DC coming out with a surprise in HP, I think that is pure wishful thinking. If they were going to do that they would have never given out any figures already, just kept quiet.
As for looks, well that is subjective, but stand an SRT next to the new Vette and they look pretty close to me. We'll see what the Coupe and Z06 look like on the street, but they both seem about equal to me.
Vipermann1
Enthusiast
Have we all forgotten already?
When GM made the mistake for selling the ZR-1. The $60,000 ZR-1 Looked no different than the regular Corvette. GM lost money. And stopped production.
Ok ... so now ten years later ..GM makes the same mistake. Selling a Z06 for $70,000 next to a regular Corvette for $45,000.
All the Z06 is hype. That's it. Look at the Acura NSX. They were selling for $40,000 above sticker. Now, Honda can't even sell 1200 a year.
When GM made the mistake for selling the ZR-1. The $60,000 ZR-1 Looked no different than the regular Corvette. GM lost money. And stopped production.
Ok ... so now ten years later ..GM makes the same mistake. Selling a Z06 for $70,000 next to a regular Corvette for $45,000.
All the Z06 is hype. That's it. Look at the Acura NSX. They were selling for $40,000 above sticker. Now, Honda can't even sell 1200 a year.
scottgf
Viper Owner
Stugots, that is one BAD comparison
To me, it really doesn't matter who makes the fastest car. If it's DC, good. If it's Chevy, that's great. If it's Ford, perfect. I'm not blinded by brand loyalty. I'm just a go-fast car enthusiast and I like to own what appeals to me visually, economically, and performance-wise. If Kia made a 500 hp car that didn't look like a$$, I'd own it. I couldn't care less that "it's only a Kia." It'd be a Kia that kicked your a$$ all over the track. I'm still baffled by "it's still only a Mustang" or "it's still only a Vette" comments. I'm not a totall dumba$$ but I just don't understand what they supposed to mean. Just remember that a Ferrari owner can look down upon a Viper owner and say "It's still just a Viper." What's your response gonna be? It's snobbish and condescending, in my opinion. Not sure where most of you guys are from but in my area the Viper will turn heads but not when it's in the company of high-end Italian exotics.
I'm tired of listening to hype regarless of which manufacturer it's coming from. Any manufacturer can drum up a multi-million dollar ad blitz. You think Chevy sells hype? Sheeeeet. Have you seen the Hemi commercials lately? *** is a Grand Cherokee (a JEEP!!!!)doing with a Hemi? That's not hype? I'm betting my life that 90% of the people out there don't have the slightest f'ing clue as to what Hemi means.
Can a Gen II and Gen III Viper kick the C5 Z06's ass on the drag strip? Absolutely. I've proven it to myself. Can it do the same to the C6 Z06? Nobody knows yet. So, why don't we just settle down and wait until the cars hit the track and figure out then who's the King of the Hill?
Well said....
I have used the " its still only a ______" a few times myself.
Usually when its some guy in his clapped out Nova or something with 50k into the motor, and its quicker than my snake at the drags...
When Ive used that I meant, well at least I get to drive my VIPER home and not some beat up old roach (albeit a quick roach).
Dont get me wrong..I will give props to it because its quicker, but I would still rather have a "slower" Viper than the quickest clapped out 69 Nova or whatever.....But comparing something like that to a "new" Vette or something is wrong.
Ill keep my snake for a number of reasons, including exclusivity (sp) performance and so on, but I would be happy to have a Vette as a daily driver.
Cheers,
RT10Paul
Viper Owner
LOL!!! I'll pass the message along. I hope you're doing better these days, Chuck.
I just came back from Neverlift (chassis fabricator). Looks like my Z06 is going under the knife again. Here come the 8s!!
Mopar426
Enthusiast
To say the new C6 Z06 is "Hype" is highly laughable and shows your narrowmindedness. You can HATE the car, say it's an ungly P.O.S. (I'm NOT the biggest fan of the styling) but gieven it's specs you have to give the car props. Like it or not, GM came out swinging. Will it be enough to sway me from buying a GTS? DOUBTFUL, but wouldn't mind one in the garage.
I'm wondering why GM only brought the z up to the current SRT hp level instead of passing it, if only by 10 hp. It couldn't be that there's not more to be gotten and still be reliable, could it?
Power:Weight is one factor, but HP is still the most quoted performance item.
Time for the SRT to get north of the 550 in the GT and reclaim the USA top position.
Power:Weight is one factor, but HP is still the most quoted performance item.
Time for the SRT to get north of the 550 in the GT and reclaim the USA top position.
RT10Paul
Viper Owner
It's just an advertised hp number. Like the Viper and Mustang, I've been hearing that the Z is underrated at 500 hp.
SnakeEye
Viper Owner
We'll just have to wait and see when a production unit hits. As it stands now, the new Z is slated to have a deficit of 50lbs-tq with a published 475. The SRT-10 already puts out darn near that at the rear wheels. 505 cubes does have its advantages.
Chuck 98 RT/10
Enthusiast
We won't know for sure until it comes out. If it falls short of expectations then it's hype. And I'll laaaauuuugh and I'll laugh.
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