Changed oil in transmission and diff.

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I changed the oil in the transmission and diff. today. The diff. was quite dirty and the transmission oil was a little cloudy. Now I have Royal Purple in the diff and Amsoil Synthetic ATF in the trans. What a difference. The transmission shifts a lot nicer and it will run a little cooler because of the Amsoil. This is after about 2100 miles. I plan on doing the diff again before storing it for the winter. Suggest you guys do the same as all there is in the trans is good old ATF+4. This would definitely help for you guys that are tracking the car.
 

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I did mine last weekend and was similarly surprised at the condition of the fluids with 2600 km (1,600 miles) on the car. The diff fluid in particular was pretty nasty looking. I'm in agreement. It's good preventative maintenance.

Edit - I used Royal Purple Max ATF in the transmission, and Pennzoil 75-140 synthetic in the diff. I have the first oil change planned in a couple of weeks, and already have the Pennzoil Ultra Platinum synthetic ready to go. Apparently, this is the oil Shell developed along side the Gen V engine development (as per Ralph Gilles) and is what Chrysler recommends in all SRT engines. Sounds good to me.
 
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Put the Amsoil in your transmission as well and chime in. I know you will be impressed. Its the Amsoil ATF full synthetic Multi-vehicle. Dont use the low viscosity stuff, its for Dex VI in the chevs.
 

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At 3900 mi. I had the dealer change the oil and filter (3rd change), Tranny and Diff Fluids and flush the Brake and Clutch Fluid with Castrol SRF. I went with factory fills on everything except for the Brake and Clutch to avoid any potential issues with Warranty. The Castrol SRF is of course to avoid boiling the fluid, soft pedal, etc.

Regular fluid changes certainly will not hurt these cars and helps ensure everything stays clean and functional--especially when the change is from the initial factory fill.
 

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I've had pretty good luck with Motul Multi ATF in the track car. Factory fill seems a bit less robust.....
 
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Factory fill in those trannys is ATF +4 in a Dodge, Mercon V in a ford, and Dex III for any Chevs. My GT500 version called for the Mercon V and there was a sticker on the tranny indicating use only Dex III. The Amsoil covers all of them.
 

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I did mine last weekend and was similarly surprised at the condition of the fluids with 2600 km (1,600 miles) on the car. The diff fluid in particular was pretty nasty looking. I'm in agreement. It's good preventative maintenance.

Edit - I used Royal Purple Max ATF in the transmission, and Pennzoil 75-140 synthetic in the diff. I have the first oil change planned in a couple of weeks, and already have the Pennzoil Ultra Platinum synthetic ready to go. Apparently, this is the oil Shell developed along side the Gen V engine development (as per Ralph Gilles) and is what Chrysler recommends in all SRT engines. Sounds good to me.

Some of the apparent condition of the oil could have to do with initial break-in as well. You figure whatever stuff might be left on the parts during assembly could still be there and would be flushed into the fluid. Never hurts to have fresh stuff in there, but I wouldn't be terribly worried about it looking "bad" in such a short time. The engineers do a lot of homework and testing in picking fluids, so I wouldn't think they'd go with something that only lasts a few thousand miles.
 

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anything amsoil makes is top notch. amsoil now has 0-40 engine oil made specially for the viper. I use only amsoil products in all my vehicles and am so happy with them I would use nothing else. amsoil prices are very fair for the quality compared to all other products.
 

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anything amsoil makes is top notch. amsoil now has 0-40 engine oil made specially for the viper. I use only amsoil products in all my vehicles and am so happy with them I would use nothing else. amsoil prices are very fair for the quality compared to all other products.

What is the most cost effective place for purchasing the Amsoil 0-40?

If this is more appropriately responded to in a PM, please do and thanks in advance!
 

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Factory fill in those trannys is ATF +4 in a Dodge, Mercon V in a ford, and Dex III for any Chevs. My GT500 version called for the Mercon V and there was a sticker on the tranny indicating use only Dex III. The Amsoil covers all of them.

I've been told that the Mopar ATF+4 is made by Castrol.....
 
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Idk but the Mopar stuff is still just a conventional oil and doesn't even compare to the synthetics. Run the Ams and report back - you WILL notice a difference in how nice it shifts and feels, and you're doing your tranny a great service with it running a little cooler. I'm dumping my Royal purple and putting the Ams Severe Gear 75w140 in the diff now after the quick rinse.
 

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Some of the apparent condition of the oil could have to do with initial break-in as well. You figure whatever stuff might be left on the parts during assembly could still be there and would be flushed into the fluid. Never hurts to have fresh stuff in there, but I wouldn't be terribly worried about it looking "bad" in such a short time. The engineers do a lot of homework and testing in picking fluids, so I wouldn't think they'd go with something that only lasts a few thousand miles.

Yep fair enough. Also, for those of you planning on doing this, you absolutely have to put in the "friction modifier" 4oz worth (assuming the fluid you are using doesn't already contain it), or you will get some very bad sounds happening from your diff at slow speeds with the wheel cranked......ask me how I know? Dough!!!!!! Sound started yesterday, I did some research and realized I should have put in the additive. Bought it for $10.00 at Napa, put it in, problem solved. Diff is quite again.
 

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for those who have never used or bought amsoil, it is sold by independent dealers in most larger cities. I live in Tulsa OK where there are several amsoil dealers selling from their house. they will take phone orders and deliver to the buyer. I own an auto related business, so I get discounted prices and delivery. I started using amsoil products by searching the local internet for these dealers and ending up with a great one who really takes care of his customers. amsoil is available on the internet where it can be shipped to the buyer directly. I prefer using a nearby dealer. a few auto stores offer the engine oil, but I am not sure who. why go to the trouble of searching out a source for this oil? once you use amsoil and research the quality, you will see and realize what good you are doing your vehicle, period. you are doing your autos a favor. there are several types of oil offered also for any engine type. check it out.
 

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I'd use M1 0W40 over Amsoil simply due to the fact that it's available at any local Chinamart for less than $5/quart. Amsoil wants $11.50/quart for their 0W40.

From the research I've done on BITOG M1 is the highest quality 0W40 currently available other than maybe the one offered by Redline. The price makes M1 a no brainer.
 
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Ok, so you buy a $100,000.00 car and you are not willing to spend a few more dollars on basically the best oil you can put in it? You save about $60.00 on an oil change. Sounds like it's minivan time. Sorry man, but I just can't believe you would skimp on such a great vehicle. Mobil 1 is overrated - it simply isn't as good as you think.
 

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Dave is right on that. Mobil 1 is OK but over rated, but if you can get much better, get it. Amsoil is worth the money, check it out.:)
 

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Ok, so you buy a $100,000.00 car and you are not willing to spend a few more dollars on basically the best oil you can put in it? You save about $60.00 on an oil change. Sounds like it's minivan time. Sorry man, but I just can't believe you would skimp on such a great vehicle. Mobil 1 is overrated - it simply isn't as good as you think.

Some of the Mobil 1 oils are overrated, but the 0w40 European formula isn't one of them. ****** oil analyses (at least the ones I've seen) suggest it is a very good oil.

I've never understood the cult mentality surrounding Amsoil, but you are free to spend your money how you choose.
 

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The cult comes from all testing shows its the best, but if you want to save a few bucks get the Mobil 1, if you are on a tight budget it will work.
 

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The cult comes from all testing shows its the best, but if you want to save a few bucks get the Mobil 1, if you are on a tight budget it will work.

That's a pretty bold statement...is this independent third party testing, or Amsoil's?
 
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Ok you're not going to use Amsoil -fair enough. As far as testing goes, it doesn't matter who does it as the results and testing process are displayed for all to see so if anyone has a problem with it they will react and dispute it. Amsoil can't illustrate false claims against other brands or they will be sued. If Esso wants to dispute Amsoil's claims, they could easily perform the same tests with the Amsoil, in the same exacting manner and prove them wrong - this has NEVER happened - and we all know if Esso, or Pennzoil or whoever had ever found anything to dispute they would have. So we accept the tests at face value. Esso, Pennzoil etc make great products, however, Amsoil is at the top of the food chain as far as high performance lubricants. It costs a little more - who cares! I'm not skimping on my cars to save a couple bucks on oil; after all, you are the only person who is going to be stuck in the middle of nowhere when your C7 Z06 breaks down. oops, did I say that out loud?! lol.
 

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Ok you're not going to use Amsoil -fair enough. As far as testing goes, it doesn't matter who does it as the results and testing process are displayed for all to see so if anyone has a problem with it they will react and dispute it. Amsoil can't illustrate false claims against other brands or they will be sued. If Esso wants to dispute Amsoil's claims, they could easily perform the same tests with the Amsoil, in the same exacting manner and prove them wrong - this has NEVER happened - and we all know if Esso, or Pennzoil or whoever had ever found anything to dispute they would have. So we accept the tests at face value. Esso, Pennzoil etc make great products, however, Amsoil is at the top of the food chain as far as high performance lubricants. It costs a little more - who cares! I'm not skimping on my cars to save a couple bucks on oil; after all, you are the only person who is going to be stuck in the middle of nowhere when your C7 Z06 breaks down. oops, did I say that out loud?! lol.

The reason that it seems like a cult thing is when one reads posts like this with an argument based on competitor's non-action. Then there is the jibe about if your expensive car fails after 3000 miles with the name brand oil then you are the foolish one for not buying the oil that costs more and has tested itself and says that it is best.

I do realize that Amsoil users are not obligated to defend their choice of oil; but, you do come off as a "convert" that has seen the light, rather than a person that wishes to use data to enlighten fellow car enthusiasts.
 

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Ok you're not going to use Amsoil -fair enough. As far as testing goes, it doesn't matter who does it as the results and testing process are displayed for all to see so if anyone has a problem with it they will react and dispute it. Amsoil can't illustrate false claims against other brands or they will be sued. If Esso wants to dispute Amsoil's claims, they could easily perform the same tests with the Amsoil, in the same exacting manner and prove them wrong - this has NEVER happened - and we all know if Esso, or Pennzoil or whoever had ever found anything to dispute they would have. So we accept the tests at face value. Esso, Pennzoil etc make great products, however, Amsoil is at the top of the food chain as far as high performance lubricants. It costs a little more - who cares! I'm not skimping on my cars to save a couple bucks on oil; after all, you are the only person who is going to be stuck in the middle of nowhere when your C7 Z06 breaks down. oops, did I say that out loud?! lol.

The testing I'm after is actual, honest-to-god used oil analyses from a Viper V-10, not lab/bench tests. The latter means nothing. As with anything in this world, a high price tag doesn't always equate to the best value.

As far as the cost, I actually do care. 11 quarts of Amsoil 0w40 (Signature Series) is $126.50 ($11.50/qt) + whatever shipping costs. I can go to Wal-Mart right now and snag two 5 quart jugs of Mobil 1 0w40 ($23.88 each) + a single quart ($7.98) for a grand total of $55.74 + tax. I try not to do public math, but even with my current 7.25% local sales tax, that's still $59.78, which is less than half of what it would cost for the Amsoil. Personally, I can't justify that kind of expense on a car that gets driven maybe 1,000-1,500 miles per year (oil changed once per year). Now, if I was using 11 quarts of Wesson cooking oil, I might run into issues, but Mobil 1 0w40 is the factory recommended fill for my car, so I don't have any issues using it. I also don't foresee any issues, like breaking down in the middle of nowhere due to the engine oil not being up to *****. Is that even a real argument? Scare tactic? Amsoil distributor by chance?

Is anyone using the Pennzoil Ultra Platinum as recommended by Ralph Gilles and Chrysler, and if not, how come?

Personally, I have not, and it's actually for the same main reason I won't use Amsoil - lack of availability. That I know of, you can only reliably get the Pennzoil Ultra 0w40 from a Dodge dealership, and you'll pay the dealership markup in the process. There might be a few other places stocking it now, but I haven't checked lately. I'm still waiting for Wal-Mart to start stocking it...if they do, I might try it. I also know that factory oil fills are under contract, which could have everything to do with Dodge being under Fiat when that change was made back in 2013. Politics aside, it is still certified as an acceptable oil for the 2013+ Vipers, so I'd probably not lose any sleep putting it in my '08.
 
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lol. NP That last bit was just a cheap shot at the Z06. Cost is definitely a factor in your reasoning and that's great. Myself I basically spare no expense and will probably do the oil 2 or 3 more times before winter - along with the tranny and diff, but to each his own. Yes I do sell Amsoil, at my shop, but along side many other brands - I've simply grown to really like the stuff more so than the others, from my personal experience, tests, articals and from my many customers praising it. The pennzoil 0w40 should now be readily available, should you choose to try it, it is factory fill in the Viper and 6.4l engines in their cars and pickups. Good luck!
 

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Just so you guys know, I had some Pennzoil Ultra Platinum brought into the Lordco in North Vancouver. It cost me $170.00 taxes in for 12 quarts. When I get out to Vancouver next week I'll be putting that in the car. As a side note, the Napa in my town was going to charge me $250.00 for the same amount. They told me the oil sells for $18.47 a quart......ouch.
 

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Now that I think about it, the amount of miles most put on there Viper, and baby them when they do drive it, buy the cheapest crap you can find, it will work fine. Now that's much easier than going back and forth trying to educate people on lubricants.
 

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A different take, I have used Royal Purple HPS in my G1, G2 and my G5. All have seen a significant number of race hours. I always cut my filter apart and have always been amazed at the lack of metallic matter in the filter. I order from Summit and get the order the next day. As far as Amsoil being hard to get, that amazes me, I have a pair of Evinrude E-Tec outboards that use a 100/1 synthetic oil, it is fairly hard to get, I order 10 gallons at a time of the amsoil product on-line, it typically takes three days to arrive.
 

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